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Roster and Recruiting 2015/2016

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Looks like our roster for next season so far:

Guards - ShawnDre (JR), Josh Jones (JR), Trey Davis (SR), Khwan Fore (FR - assuming Redshirt), Julius Johnson (FR)

Forwards - Deion Taylor (SR), Terry Allen (SR), Marshall Wood (JR)

Center - Alonzo (SR), Cline (JR), Friendshuh (FR)

I am all aboard with bringing in an immediately eligible guard who could compete for a starting slot opposite ShawnDre. I am not really a proponent of this, but looking at our roster I agree with the sentiment that if we were to ever go this route, this is the year to do so. I think Josh showed some flashes this year, but is more of a "wing" type player. I love Julius Johnson potential and think he could be a special player, but A10 is a big time league and as we have seen with the Larriers, Severes, and other hyped freshman you have to allow for a transition year to this level.

I do think ShawnDre allows for some flexibility if we were to go this route as he can play point or off the ball effectively. I think Fore can be a really good PG, but he is coming off an injury that has had him out for months and lost a season in which he seemingly would have gained a lot of experience.

I do think that we have a couple things working against the one year rental plan: A) Mooney's loyalty - Not a bad thing for program building in general, but likely a factor working against this possibility and B) the Big Name factor - as we see the really established guys are looking at ACC, and biggest "name" school it seems.

So what do you think? We looking at bringing in a one year transfer, multiple year transfer, 2015 freshman recruits, or swing for the fences and if nothing works we hold till next year? It does seem like a good year for some type of transfer.




This post was edited on 4/16 3:37 PM by spider23
 
I want a grad transfer who can shoot and then either another transfer with 3 years left or a late signee who enters as a freshman. I just think we have to throw everything we can at this season, and that's why a grad transfer makes good sense to me, if it's the right fit. Mooney really cannot go 5 years without making the tournament, so we need to push all the chips to the center of the table this year.
 
The one thing I don't want to see at this point is picking up a player just to have another player. We should be going after players who will improve our team or waiting to fill the spots next year. We have 11 players so depth should not be an issue. I think we are going to be pretty good this year and possibly make a run in the NCAAs, which could improve our chances of getting high quality recruits next year.
 
Happened by the RC last week and watched Fore working out with trainer. Looked good and showed no signs of being bothered by injury. He is impressive physically. Big league body.
 
2nd guard depth is a big issue. We could really use an good 2nd guard.Fore will be a good backup at point but a good 2nd guard could turn us from a good team to a very good team next year. I have confidence that our staff will fill that need either with another incoming frosh or transfer. My wish would be a graduate transfer who could contribute as a starter. Not a big fan on 1 year guys but our situation calls for that. Perfect fit.
 
Fore will be more than ready, and will spell SDJ at the 1. can earn more time too, moving SDJ to the 2.
Trey will be our main 2 unless Julius is a special freshman. Josh is next.
I'll bet Ulla's ranch we don't land a grad student, or even go after one.
I'd like a current soph transfer to fill 1 spot in the vacated Smithen class, sits next year with 2 seasons remaining.
I think there's a good chance we add a player to the incoming freshman class, and we hear about that one in May.
 
I agree with several thoughts on here. Eigjt Legger makes a good point about throwing all we can at this season. I can't imagine Mooney doesn't feel the same way. We will be rebuilding the following season no matter what. We will have some good players in 16-17, but rebuilding none the less. 15-16 is the year to go after. We need a shooter!!
 
Originally posted by R&B fan:
2nd guard depth is a big issue. We could really use an good 2nd guard.Fore will be a good backup at point but a good 2nd guard could turn us from a good team to a very good team next year. I have confidence that our staff will fill that need either with another incoming frosh or transfer. My wish would be a graduate transfer who could contribute as a starter. Not a big fan on 1 year guys but our situation calls for that. Perfect fit.
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We have plenty of depth at 2, just none of it is stellar. We basically have a good defensive starter who doesn't shoot so great (Trey), a backup who is streaky (Josh), a newcomer who is completely unknown (Julius), and a PG who isn't naturally a fit at the spot (SDJ).

I don't want Shawndre playing shooting guard. I want him at the point. I want someone with size and athleticism at SG. I don't want to hope that one of our current options is going to pan out, so if there's someone we know can come in right away and make a huge impact, we should bet Ulla's ranch on the person. (sorry Ulla for taking liberties with your ranch).

Maybe CM has confidence at this spot with the status quo...
 
Josh Jones is ready to explode. He is a very good shooter, has good size and can jump out of the gym. Josh averaged more than 20 points per game and was a McDonald's All American nominee. Really think his maturation is key for the upcoming season.
 
Trey Davis may start at guard, but he doesn't play many minutes there. He is a forward. Anthony played nearly 40 minutes a game, and SDJ and Josh played close to another 40 minutes. Not sure what CM's reasoning is. I would like to see Davis play more minutes at guard, gives us a bigger lineup, and we have a logjam of players in the frontcourt. Most likely we are going to see SDJ play a lot of minutes. At beginning of last season, Fore was ahead of Josh Jones. But with Josh winning more playing time, and Fore not even practicing with team after injury, we'll have to wait and see, who starts. Julius is a total unknown, but hopefully he's ready to get some playing time from day 1.

It's a long 7 months to next season. That's plenty of time, for some players to make major gains. And we still have two openings, that may yet be filled.

Trey has not shot well from 3 point range, or at free throw line. On the other hand, his 2 point shooting has been okay. I'm hoping we don't have another 7 or 8 man rotation. Let's keep fresh legs on the court, and win some of these close games in the final minutes.
This post was edited on 4/16 8:45 PM by TBSpyder
 
Count me as unenthused if we start the season with Trey and Josh Jones as our SG options. I like JJ in a back up capacity, he had some good games down the stretch but he also had a LOT of empty games where he gave us nothing. I know some of you love Trey for his hustle and defense, but he can't shoot, his only offense is finishing on a fast break. We need way more than that from our 2 guard.

We have the opportunity for a really good year next year, it could be special if we can find someone who can be a real player at the 2 position. Maybe that is Julius or maybe that person comes in as a grad transfer. I don't know. What I do know is that player is not our roster right now.
 
Might be the most experienced roster in the country? All those juniors and seniors......
 
UR second best team in the state. Wahoos are a tough #1 and ODU is a close #3.
 
Posted in the wrong thread somehow...

This post was edited on 4/17 10:22 AM by Eight Legger
 
Originally posted by 97spiderfan:
Count me as unenthused if we start the season with Trey and Josh Jones as our SG options. I like JJ in a back up capacity, he had some good games down the stretch but he also had a LOT of empty games where he gave us nothing. I know some of you love Trey for his hustle and defense, but he can't shoot, his only offense is finishing on a fast break. We need way more than that from our 2 guard.

We have the opportunity for a really good year next year, it could be special if we can find someone who can be a real player at the 2 position. Maybe that is Julius or maybe that person comes in as a grad transfer. I don't know. What I do know is that player is not our roster right now.
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+1. I suspect that Mooney doesn't see it that way though.
 
We don't have UVA's defense, we need to score more than 50 points. Not sure where 68 points is going to come from yet.
 
Originally posted by MrTbone:

Originally posted by 97spiderfan:
Count me as unenthused if we start the season with Trey and Josh Jones as our SG options. I like JJ in a back up capacity, he had some good games down the stretch but he also had a LOT of empty games where he gave us nothing. I know some of you love Trey for his hustle and defense, but he can't shoot, his only offense is finishing on a fast break. We need way more than that from our 2 guard.

We have the opportunity for a really good year next year, it could be special if we can find someone who can be a real player at the 2 position. Maybe that is Julius or maybe that person comes in as a grad transfer. I don't know. What I do know is that player is not our roster right now.
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+1. I suspect that Mooney doesn't see it that way though.
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Yes, I know. Mooney loves him some Trey Davis. I love him too, just more as defensive specialist, 6th man type player versus a high minute starter at a position that to me is not even his natural position.
 
I think you guys are way off on Trey. he's better suited at the 2 than the 3. he makes us big there, and his handle is much improved. he's an asset breaking the press. he'll board from the 2 spot, something we haven't had in a long time. he defends and attacks. no, he's not a shooting threat. I'm not getting caught up in the title "shooting guard" though. we finally have a group of bigs that are offensive threats. we can feed any of them on the block. and TJ, TA and SDJ are also kick out threats. I think Wood is, too. and we have a lights out shooter at the point. you need more of a shooting 2 when you're 1 is a traditional pass 1st point.

Josh is ready for a bigger role too, and until I hear otherwise I believe Julius will have a better than usual chance to play as a freshman. I put our chances at a grad transfer at
 
I like our bigs a lot, but right now we only one surefire gunner from the outside, and that's SDJ. We need at least two heading into the season. I like Josh Jones and think he can come on strong for us, but he's still unproven. Bring in a guy for a year who can score from the 2 and we are going to be in much better shape. It also helps us in the event SDJ gets hurt, because then we'd have no scoring threats from deep.
 
Originally posted by spiderman:
I think you guys are way off on Trey. he's better suited at the 2 than the 3. he makes us big there, and his handle is much improved. he's an asset breaking the press. he'll board from the 2 spot, something we haven't had in a long time. he defends and attacks. no, he's not a shooting threat. I'm not getting caught up in the title "shooting guard" though. we finally have a group of bigs that are offensive threats. we can feed any of them on the block. and TJ, TA and SDJ are also kick out threats. I think Wood is, too. and we have a lights out shooter at the point. you need more of a shooting 2 when you're 1 is a traditional pass 1st point.

Josh is ready for a bigger role too, and until I hear otherwise I believe Julius will have a better than usual chance to play as a freshman. I put our chances at a grad transfer at
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I'm not saying we wouldn't be better if we could land a stud grad transfer. another weapon can only help, of course. I'm just better Ulla's ranch that we don't get one. we'd be better if we landed Thon Maker too, but that's not happening either. I'm being realistic. there are very few grad transfers that fit the profile you guys are looking for, and they have really high major aspirations. it's not just about being on a good team for their final year. it's about high major conference games, huge crowds and tv.

enjoy what we have coming back. we can be really good. if someone shows up that can help, great. but I'll assume we're going to war with the group already in house, and that's good enough for me.
 
Don't forget about Kwhan Fore. If he's fully recovered from his injury, he may play a lot of minutes this year. We could be a bigger, deeper team, than we've had in a while. Or not. 7 months for the players and coaches to improve our game. I think we may well, be far superior to last year's team, but a lot of things have to come together for us to achieve that.
 
Originally posted by 97spiderfan:
Originally posted by spiderman:
I think you guys are way off on Trey. he's better suited at the 2 than the 3. he makes us big there, and his handle is much improved. he's an asset breaking the press. he'll board from the 2 spot, something we haven't had in a long time. he defends and attacks. no, he's not a shooting threat. I'm not getting caught up in the title "shooting guard" though. we finally have a group of bigs that are offensive threats. we can feed any of them on the block. and TJ, TA and SDJ are also kick out threats. I think Wood is, too. and we have a lights out shooter at the point. you need more of a shooting 2 when you're 1 is a traditional pass 1st point.

Josh is ready for a bigger role too, and until I hear otherwise I believe Julius will have a better than usual chance to play as a freshman. I put our chances at a grad transfer at
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Ulla1 - agree that Josh Jones has potential for this upcoming season. He took the bull by the horns in high school, scoring the basketball. I am optimistic about him as he assumes a bigger role.
 
Originally posted by spiderman:
I'm not saying we wouldn't be better if we could land a stud grad transfer. another weapon can only help, of course. I'm just better Ulla's ranch that we don't get one. we'd be better if we landed Thon Maker too, but that's not happening either. I'm being realistic. there are very few grad transfers that fit the profile you guys are looking for, and they have really high major aspirations. it's not just about being on a good team for their final year. it's about high major conference games, huge crowds and tv.

enjoy what we have coming back. we can be really good. if someone shows up that can help, great. but I'll assume we're going to war with the group already in house, and that's good enough for me.
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So far there are about 70 grad transfers on the market. Of those, I would say 20 or so would potentially be a fit for us. Doesn't mean we are getting one, but I bet we are going to take a look and see if there's a fit. There will probably be close to 100 or more of them by the time all is said and done. They're not all going to P5 schools. And we are a pretty attractive option for someone who wants to play a nice role and possibly get to the tournament.
 
Goodman's list less C's, PF's and kids scoring less than 7 ppg:



1 Korey Billbury, 6-3, G, RS Jr., Oral Roberts (will graduate)

2 Quintin Brewer, 6-6, F, Jr., Bethune Cookman (will graduate)

3 Galal Cancer, 6-3, G, RS Jr., Cornell (will graduate)

4 David Carr, 6-3, G, RS Jr., Portland (will graduate)

5 Anthony Collins, 6-1, PG, RS Jr., South Florida (will graduate)

6 Dylan Ennis, 6-2, SG, RS Jr., Villanova (will graduate)

7 Derrick Gordon, 6-3, SG, RS Jr., Massachusetts (will graduate)

8 Johnny Hill, 6-3, G, Jr., UT Arlington (will graduate)

9 Durand Johnson, 6-6, F, Jr., Pittsburgh (will graduate)

10 Damion Lee, 6-6, SG, RS Jr., Drexel (will graduate)

11 Chris Martin, 6-0, G, RS Jr., Mount St. Mary's (will graduate)

12 Shonn Miller, 6-7, F, RS Jr., Cornell (will graduate) -- considering UConn, Illinois, BC, Michigan, Marquette, Cal

13 Alex Mitola, 5-11, G, Jr., Dartmouth (will graduate)

14 Ike Nwamu, 6-5, SG, Jr., Mercer (will graduate)

15 Shawn Smith, 6-6, SF, RS Jr., Marshall (will graduate)

16 Sterling Smith, 6-3, G, RS Jr., Coppin State (will graduate)

17 Rasheed Sulaimon, 6-4, SG, Jr., Duke (will graduate)

18 Ricky Tarrant, 6-2, PG, RS Jr., Alabama (will graduate)
 
Without doing any research about what kind of players they are, I would say about half of that list "could" be a fit for us, given the type of schools they attended academically. Some would be looking to move up and play at a higher level, others to move down and play more.
 
We should check out Ike Nwamu from Mercer. My friend's son plays for them, and he says that Nwamu is a player, a good shooter and scorer, has a big body (6'5") and is a great student. We could use a player like him at the 2 spot.
 
23, he should be listed. the link on ESPN was for the wrong Adam Smith. The right one makes sense as a 13.4 ppg guy shooting 42.4% from 3.
 
keefusb,
Nwamu is visiting UNLV this weekend. not sure what to take from that.
 
Yeah, Nwamu would be an excellent get for us if he's a fit. No clue what kind of school Mercer is, but if he is looking at UNLV, we may not be the right fit.
 
Originally posted by Eight Legger:
Yeah, Nwamu would be an excellent get for us if he's a fit. No clue what kind of school Mercer is, but if he is looking at UNLV, we may not be the right fit.
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Mercer used to be Georgia's version of UR and Wake...

No idea how it has evolved in the last 50 years but...

#8 South Region
 
Updated roster, with Jesse:


Guards - ShawnDre (JR), Josh Jones (JR), Trey Davis (SR), Khwan Fore (FR - assuming Redshirt), Julius Johnson (FR), Jesse Pistokatche (FR)

Forwards - Deion Taylor (SR), Terry Allen (SR), Marshall Wood (JR)

Center - Alonzo (SR), Cline (JR), Friendshuh (FR)

I am in agreement with those looking for a longer term transfer for the front court, that could step in when we lose Terry, Alonzo and Deion. I like our odds on our three freshman guards being impact players over their careers, Fore as a pure point, Johnson more of a shooter, and Pistokache a combo maybe? I do feel like these guys are more physical than some of the guards we have brought in recently.
 
Updated

Guards - ShawnDre (JR), Josh Jones (JR), Trey Davis (SR), Khwan Fore (FR - assuming Redshirt), Julius Johnson (FR), Jesse Pistokache (FR)

Forwards - Deion Taylor (SR), Terry Allen (SR), Marshall Wood (JR)

Center - Cline (JR), Friendshuh (FR)

Two slots open for this year, will we use one, both or zero? If we don't use them would have 5 for 2016 class.

Keys to the season - I think we need one of Jesse or Julius to be a scoring threat - 8ppg or something like that - I would take that combined. It would be really helpful if Wood were a threat too? I like Trey and Deion but we really can't play 3 v 5 on offense, just too difficult no matter how good the defense may be. I am really interested to see how Fore does. I was very encouraged that Mooney was inserting him earl last year prior to the injury. Tiny sample size but the fact that he had confidence in Fore would seem to be a good indicator.
 
At this point I think we only use one more at most. Would be nice to find our own grad transfer, but not sure anyone worthwhile for us is left. If we can sign a freshman forward who can play, that would be my top priority. Then having 4 scholies for next year won't be the worst thing in the world.
 
Is it just me, or did both Josh & Trey seem to play more of a third guard while ANO was out last year? Is this something we are more likely to utilize a bit next season?
 
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