My guess is preseason coaches poll will have us at 14th. Barring some miraculous freshmen performance we will probably finish 12th
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and it will be viewed as major improvement over this past season! Extend Mooney!
I think the no guys leaving issue is has a few facets. You hit one - most of our guys have had their value diminished under Mooney this last season. Bad stats, and losing games is not an attractive look. Also, the culture of comfort - if you are not getting a bag somewhere else - at least you have a pretty stress free basketball environment at Richmond. And thirdly, guessing Moon is just not into "forcing" guys out. So every day that passes seems like we may have our roster set.
Nah no way. Re: getting picked 14th. It's the A10. not that some other mediocre to bad poll spot is anything to celebrate.
Tyne can defend at the point, but he's not a point guard offensively. I know we run a lot through our big men, but a point has to create a little. Tyne doesn't create. He's really a short 2 guard ... despite the shooting percentage.
Johnston is our offensive scoring PG. if Tyne shoots better next year, play him at the 2 offensively. Otherwise he's the backup point ... despite the loyalty.
Johnston is our offensive scoring PG. if Tyne shoots better next year, play him at the 2 offensively. Otherwise he's the backup point ... despite the loyalty.
depends on whose spot we'd be replacing.
I think it's a different plan if Graham portals vs if Beagle portals.
Gonna repeat myself. The Mooney loyalty factor prevails and is consistent. Without naming past players out of respect for them, we’ve seen this play out. Tyne will start and will get lots of minutes. Not saying he is in the class of several of our outstanding small guards thru the years, but he did have a good run to close out the year. Also, all the other possibilities right now such as redshirts, transfers, and freshmen are unproven as Spiders, and we really don’t know how they perform in Mooneyball. Projection and reality don’t always align.
I get what u are saying. Hopefully, we can land another shooter and a big if both Soulis and Beagle are gone.
Clean house. Get all new players and then just pray since Mooney is going nowhere.
I don’t know the makeup of the portal, but getting 2 bigs or even 1 might be easier said than done. Or if bigs are available then what skill level are they?
Not at all easy. We typically roster two center types and often a third with at least one of these being developmental. With soulis gone we are in rough shape after next year.
With Graham to portal, I guess we have the two additional roster spots Fan1 indicated. Wish Soulis stayed. Hoping we can get some type of forward that can help with D and rebounding. Dji or Bigs type would be good.
In this case can we use a term for position less player in our supposed position less scheme? I know in football recruiting some guys are listed as "athlete"
Jaden Daughtry out of Indiana State would be a wonderful addition and fit a big need. He’s from Richmond and had previously commented on coming back home.
After seeming to be a VCU lean, I think a tweet did indicate we were getting a visit from Daughtry. Does seem like a versatile player.
But, we should be pretty attractive to a quality big who wants good minutes.
Now with two spots available, I think getting Daughtry is a must, I was a little bored and saw that both Tyne and Collin Tanner both follow Daughtry on Instagram and Will Gipe recently followed him on X, this could mean nothing but i would assume this means he was on campus within the past couple days and this could be a good sign. Again this could mean nothing but we’ll see.
If he visited, could also be a good sign that we had a new portal entry right after his visit.
Did some additional sleuthing and saw JOC follows Daughtry on Twitter. Don’t know how many non-UR folks JOC follows but hopefully this is a promising sign. I think will make an instant impact and be a day one starter for us.
Sure, but you’re pretty much hoping that whoever you get is going to be serviceable/good. CM doesn’t have a superior track record at talent identification and we’ve seen it typically takes a guy at least until their second year here to get pretty effective in his system.
Exceptions exist but are not common.
Guards - Tyne , David Thomas, Will Johnston, Kirby Mooney, Argabright, Harper,
Forwards - Robinson, Daughtry, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Richardson
Center - Walz , Beagle
Feeling like this is a more competitive roster if stay healthy. Not saying top of the A10, but more competitive. Guards - GW3 never got a chance, White was always gimpy when he played, and Dlo was solid but injured early. I think both Johnston and Thomas can contribute a lot more. Johnston looks pretty decent and very durable - which would be great.
Forwards - Lose Dusan, add Daughtry. Though not as flashy as Dusan, I am very hopeful Daughtry is just a better all around player and can bring a little toughness. No idea from highlights only, but have to be hopeful here. If JRob or McGlothin can bring something I think will be better. And as down on AP, I do think he has potential to take a jump, essentially has not played competitive real games for a few years before last. Hope Tanner realizes he needs to take a step up to stay on floor.
Centers - Hopefully something clicks for Walz and/or Beagle. Walz looked really good at times, but it always seems to be when it doesn't matter. Need him to be a force from day 1. Walk the walk, I no longer care that you sound good in interviews. Period. Or that you take responsibility when your head coach won't. Show it on the court!
Need one more player. I think a Dji clone would be nice.
Forwards - Robinson, Daughtry, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Richardson
Center - Walz , Beagle
Feeling like this is a more competitive roster if stay healthy. Not saying top of the A10, but more competitive. Guards - GW3 never got a chance, White was always gimpy when he played, and Dlo was solid but injured early. I think both Johnston and Thomas can contribute a lot more. Johnston looks pretty decent and very durable - which would be great.
Forwards - Lose Dusan, add Daughtry. Though not as flashy as Dusan, I am very hopeful Daughtry is just a better all around player and can bring a little toughness. No idea from highlights only, but have to be hopeful here. If JRob or McGlothin can bring something I think will be better. And as down on AP, I do think he has potential to take a jump, essentially has not played competitive real games for a few years before last. Hope Tanner realizes he needs to take a step up to stay on floor.
Centers - Hopefully something clicks for Walz and/or Beagle. Walz looked really good at times, but it always seems to be when it doesn't matter. Need him to be a force from day 1. Walk the walk, I no longer care that you sound good in interviews. Period. Or that you take responsibility when your head coach won't. Show it on the court!
Need one more player. I think a Dji clone would be nice.
Like bigger guards and Daughtery looks very solid and like fact he is left handed. One thought on lineup
is AP is a good size at 6’8 to play a third center and can rebound.
is AP is a good size at 6’8 to play a third center and can rebound.
So let me get this straight. Next yr is last for both Beagle and Waltz, and we have no true bigs entering and Soulis is gone????? If that’s the case, it’s not optimal moving forward with no freshman and no portal 5’s so far. If I’m correct, then we need at least 2. And much easier finding guards & forwards then finding any or quality bigs.
Agree. He looks like he has good size/length and his shooting stroke looks pretty decent, even though has not put up big numbers. But I think adding him with Daughtry would give us a nice upgrade at forward.
As it currently stands, I think the core of the team next year is Johnston, Daughtry and Walz. I *think* with the right 2 and 3 in the mix along with this core we stand a chance at top 4 in the A10. Barring some completely transformative offseason for Tyne/Tanner/AP, or some insane performance from one of our freshmen, I am not sure we have the right 2 and 3 on our roster right now. I think with the roster right now we would finish in the 6-10 range in the A10.
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I think Richardson is a guard. Not that it matters much because he could see time with 2 other guards out there. The roster looks crowded at guard, but I think we still need to add a proven one who can shoot. Johnston was a great add and should be our best player and lead us in minutes and scoring, but who is our other guy, or in a 3 guard lineup, guys there? Tyne has the experience, but also was 38-140 (27.1%) from 3 last year, and despite playing the most minutes, only had the 4th most assists with only 45 to go along with 51 turnovers. Compare that to Johnston, who was 68-186 (36.6%) from 3, and had a very impressive 101 assists to only 39 turnovers. I would love our backcourt if we could find another Johnston type out there.
At forward, Daughtry was a huge add. If Johnston will be our best player, he will be our 2nd best. He brings much needed size and athleticism. He doesn't shoot a lot of 3s, so we will need our wing guy who starts with him to be able to provide outside shooting. Hopefully, if we don't add anyone here, someone already on the roster can separate themselves from the rest and be a key guy for us here.
Walz and Beagle will give us 40 minutes at the 5. We need consistency from them. Too many times, they both disappeared and were non factors out there.
There is definitely more hope with the roster now than a few weeks ago. I also feel Thomas could be a factor for us, so we have added 2 starters and a likely rotation piece so far. Like others have said, we will need others to step up. Maybe guys like Tanner and AP can have more success and shoot much better from 3 with better guys like Johnston and Daughtry out there. If they get minutes, we need 3s from them. I think last year was tough on everyone, so let's hope we see major improvement from numerous guys out there. If Tyne gets good minutes again, he has to shoot way better and give us a better assist to turnover ratio. He has not shot well each of his first 2 years, and if this continues, we need someone else to step up and get his minutes, which is why I still have a guard who can shoot on my hope we add list.
Guards - Tyne , David Thomas, Kirby Mooney, Argabright, Harper,
Forwards - Daughtry, Robinson, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Richardson
Center - Walz , Beagle
Highest Ceiling Team now (this is based on a lot of unknowns and Hope):
Guards - David Thomas, Will Johnston - Tyne off the bench. Need Thomas to extrapolate off his last season at Mercer. He looked pretty good but got buried at Depaul. Unfortanately the A10 is probably closer level to Mercer now than the loaded Big East. Hope we are sleeping a bit on Thomas. Johnston will need to be lead guard and do a lot - like King, though not expecting that much. Tyne - Maybe third year is the charm and all comes together for him. Maybe on of true frosh hit as well.
Forwards - My ceiling rotation is probably Bryson and Daughtry. Bryson play like his HS highlights. Tall wing that can shoot over zones and opponents. Play good D and grab a few boards. Daughtry continue off his break out season and score and provide a presence. First off the bench is Robinson. He is so good that some games we wonder why he is not starting.
Center - Walz. As I said, his year to Walk the Walk. We have seen glimpses. He sounds good. He is upset when he doesn't do good. Now go out and play possessed on every possession and make an impact.
A lot to ask. And we will need some guys to step up, whether Tanner, Beagle, or a freshman. Someone will have to play much better than expected - that would be a huge help.
Forwards - Daughtry, Robinson, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Richardson
Center - Walz , Beagle
Highest Ceiling Team now (this is based on a lot of unknowns and Hope):
Guards - David Thomas, Will Johnston - Tyne off the bench. Need Thomas to extrapolate off his last season at Mercer. He looked pretty good but got buried at Depaul. Unfortanately the A10 is probably closer level to Mercer now than the loaded Big East. Hope we are sleeping a bit on Thomas. Johnston will need to be lead guard and do a lot - like King, though not expecting that much. Tyne - Maybe third year is the charm and all comes together for him. Maybe on of true frosh hit as well.
Forwards - My ceiling rotation is probably Bryson and Daughtry. Bryson play like his HS highlights. Tall wing that can shoot over zones and opponents. Play good D and grab a few boards. Daughtry continue off his break out season and score and provide a presence. First off the bench is Robinson. He is so good that some games we wonder why he is not starting.
Center - Walz. As I said, his year to Walk the Walk. We have seen glimpses. He sounds good. He is upset when he doesn't do good. Now go out and play possessed on every possession and make an impact.
A lot to ask. And we will need some guys to step up, whether Tanner, Beagle, or a freshman. Someone will have to play much better than expected - that would be a huge help.
I'm still bothered by McGlothin and Robinson redshirting. If ever we needed true freshmen to be key pieces for us, it was last year. It's time we had a true freshman be ready and talented enough to be in the rotation. True freshman play all over the country. Maybe a versatile guy like Richardson could be that guy this year.
I’m just not seeing 2 portal guys starting at guard with Moon having Tyne come off the bench. He started this year and has been here 2 years in Moonsys. I’ve alluded to Moon loyalty factor recently, and I’ll be very surprised if Tyne starts season as the 6th guy.
He is also 59-218 (27.1%) from 3 with almost as many turnovers as assists his first 2 years. I think we set out to try to find 2 starters in the portal to improve the guard position.
Yep completely understand that. I'm just saying we don't have as high as ceiling if he starts and is a 30+ minute guy. But he probably will.
There's definitely something to the Mooney loyalty factor, I think we have too much evidence to discount that.
Also I think there are ample examples now of guys roles quickly decreasing after the season starts if they aren't getting it done. I could foresee this happening next year. Tyne starts (and maybe continues to start) but his average minutes to start the season are significantly higher than they are as the season wears on.
Either way, as many have noted, I firmly believe that we have seen enough of Tyne to know that if he is averaging 35 mpg next year that is a bad sign for our success. If he is pushed down to 15-20 mpg and is coming off the bench as our 6th or 7th guy, that will be a good thing.
Also I think there are ample examples now of guys roles quickly decreasing after the season starts if they aren't getting it done. I could foresee this happening next year. Tyne starts (and maybe continues to start) but his average minutes to start the season are significantly higher than they are as the season wears on.
Either way, as many have noted, I firmly believe that we have seen enough of Tyne to know that if he is averaging 35 mpg next year that is a bad sign for our success. If he is pushed down to 15-20 mpg and is coming off the bench as our 6th or 7th guy, that will be a good thing.
