Roster 25-26

[spider23]

Guards - Tyne , Kirby Mooney, Argabright, Harper,

Forwards - Beagle, Robinson, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Graham, Richardson

Center - Walz , Soulis

Normally wouldn't count Mooney and Graham so much, but I guess with new rules they are taking up a spot.


Pretty bleak at the moment. Not seeing any All A10 type performers. As a few others have noted, it is probably a good thing if we get a few more into the portal. Only reason we wouldn't is the culture of comfort is just too hard to leave the nest. The guard room is really hurting. I know Tyne showed a little something down the stretch, but in general he didn't improve much on freshman year, and at his size unless he is going to be a huge disrupter or scorer he becomes a liability. Probably be best if two out of three from Beagle, Tanner, and AP were to hit the portal, but we will see. Mooney and Graham, well we are likely stuck with them taking up space. Not too worried about them, if we get some others out, b/c 15 is a lot of players - I know we want to increase Mooney's chances to get a helpful player, but sometimes its OK to have guys on the bench that are fully committed.
Hoping to have Walz and Soulis back. I still think Soulis has a good amount of upside. Hopefully full healthy and can find some type of competitive outlet to play good competition and improve this summer. Walz is Walz, had a good stretch at end of year, but didn't do a lot prior. But he is big and can bang and tries hard mostly. Hope he is back.

Despite the narrative on here that JRob and McGlothin must stink b/c they couldn't beat out the other guys on the roster - I am still high on them and think they could be players. I have this sneaky feeling that Moon and his boy 80s fan over paid to get AP, Beagle, Nesko and crew - and therefore felt committed to playing them. Writing was on the wall early for the freshman, (and as sman points out) why not take a year off and extend your NIL earnings window? Makes sense to me.

But man on man we need guards, two of them. Bad.

 

[GKiller]

Guards - Tyne , Kirby Mooney, Argabright, Harper,

Forwards - Beagle, Robinson, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Graham, Richardson

Center - Walz , Soulis

Normally wouldn't count Mooney and Graham so much, but I guess with new rules they are taking up a spot.


Pretty bleak at the moment. Not seeing any All A10 type performers. As a few others have noted, it is probably a good thing if we get a few more into the portal. Only reason we wouldn't is the culture of comfort is just too hard to leave the nest. The guard room is really hurting. I know Tyne showed a little something down the stretch, but in general he didn't improve much on freshman year, and at his size unless he is going to be a huge disrupter or scorer he becomes a liability. Probably be best if two out of three from Beagle, Tanner, and AP were to hit the portal, but we will see. Mooney and Graham, well we are likely stuck with them taking up space. Not too worried about them, if we get some others out, b/c 15 is a lot of players - I know we want to increase Mooney's chances to get a helpful player, but sometimes its OK to have guys on the bench that are fully committed.
Hoping to have Walz and Soulis back. I still think Soulis has a good amount of upside. Hopefully full healthy and can find some type of competitive outlet to play good competition and improve this summer. Walz is Walz, had a good stretch at end of year, but didn't do a lot prior. But he is big and can bang and tries hard mostly. Hope he is back.

Despite the narrative on here that JRob and McGlothin must stink b/c they couldn't beat out the other guys on the roster - I am still high on them and think they could be players. I have this sneaky feeling that Moon and his boy 80s fan over paid to get AP, Beagle, Nesko and crew - and therefore felt committed to playing them. Writing was on the wall early for the freshman, (and as sman points out) why not take a year off and extend your NIL earnings window? Makes sense to me.

But man on man we need guards, two of them. Bad.

still high on JRob and McG too. lot of middle ground btw they stink and all A10. not the former but long way from latter. but likely more developmental than we'd like instead of impactful freshman which is nicer. & I'm convinced it's also a byproduct of our culture of comfort operation. the summer extension made this decision. reset mode. 4-5 year player narrative. try to catch lightning in a bottle in 2027-28. most don't want to or can't operate that way. we do.

I see we r still trying to make 1 of those 3 centers a forward

 

[Section9.RowD]

still high on JRob and McG too. lot of middle ground btw they stink and all A10. not the former but long way from latter. but likely more developmental than we'd like instead of impactful freshman which is nicer. & I'm convinced it's also a byproduct of our culture of comfort operation. the summer extension made this decision. reset mode. 4-5 year player narrative. try to catch lightning in a bottle in 2027-28. most don't want to or can't operate that way. we do.

I see we r still trying to make 1 of those 3 centers a forward

Right - Spider23 forgot Mooney rule #341 that no 2 players over 6'10 can be on the court at any one time

 

[MrTbone]

Guards - Tyne , Kirby Mooney, Argabright, Harper,

Forwards - Beagle, Robinson, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Graham, Richardson

Center - Walz , Soulis

Normally wouldn't count Mooney and Graham so much, but I guess with new rules they are taking up a spot.


Pretty bleak at the moment. Not seeing any All A10 type performers. As a few others have noted, it is probably a good thing if we get a few more into the portal. Only reason we wouldn't is the culture of comfort is just too hard to leave the nest. The guard room is really hurting. I know Tyne showed a little something down the stretch, but in general he didn't improve much on freshman year, and at his size unless he is going to be a huge disrupter or scorer he becomes a liability. Probably be best if two out of three from Beagle, Tanner, and AP were to hit the portal, but we will see. Mooney and Graham, well we are likely stuck with them taking up space. Not too worried about them, if we get some others out, b/c 15 is a lot of players - I know we want to increase Mooney's chances to get a helpful player, but sometimes its OK to have guys on the bench that are fully committed.
Hoping to have Walz and Soulis back. I still think Soulis has a good amount of upside. Hopefully full healthy and can find some type of competitive outlet to play good competition and improve this summer. Walz is Walz, had a good stretch at end of year, but didn't do a lot prior. But he is big and can bang and tries hard mostly. Hope he is back.

Despite the narrative on here that JRob and McGlothin must stink b/c they couldn't beat out the other guys on the roster - I am still high on them and think they could be players. I have this sneaky feeling that Moon and his boy 80s fan over paid to get AP, Beagle, Nesko and crew - and therefore felt committed to playing them. Writing was on the wall early for the freshman, (and as sman points out) why not take a year off and extend your NIL earnings window? Makes sense to me.

But man on man we need guards, two of them. Bad.

I don’t think of Beagle as a F and neither does CM.

I think of Tyne as a serviceable backup but he has been inconsistent as the lead guard.

It’s a pretty sketchy roster right now.

 

[Gallipoli]

Is Kirby Mooney a real player?

 

[SpiderGuy]

On paper this looks like a very lower tier A10 roster again. Of the redshirts and incoming freshmen, we really only have hs video on them and hs stats to project. Hopefully they step up cause they are needed now with current holes to fill. Remains to be seen what quality Moon picks up in portal. Can we flip next year to be a good year compared to this past season, or are we destined to a similar year?

 

[spiderman]

I see we r still trying to make 1 of those 3 centers a forward

same story we were told last year. feels like what you say to keep a guy from transferring.

I actually do think Beagle is an old school PF in a different system ... moreso than Soulis.
in Mooney's offense I'd play Beagle inside with Walz up top. I (and others) was calling for that all year. but by now I've given up on Mooney doing it. wonder if Beagle has too.

 

[MrTbone]

same story we were told last year. feels like what you say to keep a guy from transferring.

I actually do think Beagle is an old school PF in a different system ... moreso than Soulis.
in Mooney's offense I'd play Beagle inside with Walz up top. I (and others) was calling for that all year. but by now I've given up on Mooney doing it. wonder if Beagle has too.

Totally agree, I think Beagles role is as an inside 4-type sort of like Cayo in the sense that he’s probably rarely going to shoot a three.

He seems to have fallen behind Soulis at point-center.

 

[spider23]

Yes, this is why I think Beagle is a likely transfer candidate. He is more in the mold of the Cayo "4", but was never played there despite the lip service. If he goes, will be interesting to see what level he transfers. Unfortunately for him, this past season probably hurt his stock a bit, but who knows.

 

[PalmTreeSpidUR]

All I know is based on this board we seem to have a lot of visitors to campus. Are there more outbound players than I know of?

 

[spider23]

It's interesting, based on the feedback here some are saying focus on shooters/offense in the portal. I feel like our defense was even worse, and just having guys with low basketball IQ and not great at sharing the ball. We went after shooters last portal and turns out against A10 comp the could not shoot. As usual it's a mix. But get me two players like Dji and then two guys that are legit scorers would be my wish list.
I think last year we landed a couple of p5 big name school guys late, but think there was a reason they were still available.

 

[PASpider]

still high on JRob and McG too. lot of middle ground btw they stink and all A10. not the former but long way from latter. but likely more developmental than we'd like instead of impactful freshman which is nicer. & I'm convinced it's also a byproduct of our culture of comfort operation. the summer extension made this decision. reset mode. 4-5 year player narrative. try to catch lightning in a bottle in 2027-28. most don't want to or can't operate that way. we do.

I see we r still trying to make 1 of those 3 centers a forward

I don’t understand how you can be high on players who couldn’t get playing time on one of the worst teams in DI basketball.

 

[Section9.RowD]

I don’t understand how you can be high on players who couldn’t get playing time on one of the worst teams in DI basketball.

Because many of us don't think (or hope) the coaching group last fall that suggested they redshirt can evaluate talent very well.

 

[GKiller]

I don’t understand how you can be high on players who couldn’t get playing time on one of the worst teams in DI basketball.

high on potential. & high was probably a little strong. I definitely have some pause and uncertainty after the redshirts.

but the I'm in the camp that the redshirts weren't solely about playing time. lot of reasons. 1. Mooney is bad at figuring out who to play & rotations. he thought our other guys were better than they were. heck it took him until the last 8 games of entire season to get that D'Etremont could help us more than others. 2. hard to reverse redshirt season once u r past 1/4 of season or so. 3. as I think section9 has said from players perspective the 5th year can help with rev share & NIL...get paid more when u r at your highest assuming they develop...but unfortunately the odds of that benefitting us the most r quite slim. 4. top reason to me, Moon is playing the long game. said it b4. reset time with a big frosh class next year. the extension gave him carte blanche to do it. I don't like it but it helps him. & maybe he thought last year without those 2 that we'd be decent at worst instead of really bad.

clearly they weren't going to be all rookie a10 guys last season...because if that was the case...I do think they would have played. based on Moon hs recruiting it's likely 1 of the 2 flames out anyway.

but we don't have a lot to hold onto right now so we need them to be good.

 

[SpiderRick]

In the end, same coach.

 

[spider23]

I don’t understand how you can be high on players who couldn’t get playing time on one of the worst teams in DI basketball.

A) Mooney clearly talking long game - so he basically was using as a "stash" year to kick the can
B) Moon had to likely pay for (or his NIL buddies) and sell to Nesko and AP and Beagle to come to Richmond and play big minutes -so between those two factors was going with his portal vets no matter what.

Agree, in most worlds its not logical. BUt again, this is the time of year where all these guys are stars at Richmond - the offseason!

 

[SpiderGuy]

A) Mooney clearly talking long game - so he basically was using as a "stash" year to kick the can
B) Moon had to likely pay for (or his NIL buddies) and sell to Nesko and AP and Beagle to come to Richmond and play big minutes -so between those two factors was going with his portal vets no matter what.

Agree, in most worlds its not logical. BUt again, this is the time of year where all these guys are stars at Richmond - the offseason!

"A) Mooney clearly talking long game - so he basically was using as a "stash" year to kick the can"

Mooney long game = liability.

UR long game has gone on for way too long. 20 year results not great payback.

 

[spider23]

Guards - Tyne , David Thomas, Kirby Mooney, Argabright, Harper,

Forwards - Robinson, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Graham, Richardson

Center - Walz , Soulis, Beagle

Down to one spot.

Still thinking Beagle would want to bolt, but if so sure is taking sweet time considering all the activity in the portal. Graham would seemingly want to go down a level but maybe his tape from this year is preventing and Mooney seems to want to give him more opportunity than he earned based on his game play. AP, Tanner anyone hear anything? I think both could be contributors, but I see a very defined ceiling on these guys. And neither are adequate on defense. Let's see what happens in the next week.

 

[spider23]

Guard room still looking super shaky. Even if Thomas and Tyne look to be decent scorers, defense and playmaking look sub par. Need a home run at the position in the portal.

 

[GKiller]

23 - u need to run into the Graham 4/2 guy at the supermarket or Blackie’s or wherever that was & get the scoop.

Beagle or Graham seem most likely. I can see 1 more opening but I’d be mildly surprised if more. But who knows could be anyone or nobody. Vt4700 wanted the entire team to transfer yet wanted to extend Mooney. Still trying to figure that out. Imagine if the surprise transfer were 1 of JRob or McG. Even tho they r unknown it would look really bad & board might explode too. Leverage baby. Maybe using to secure more rev share that we then can’t spend in portal. Probably not…we have good guys.

Btw 23 in RTD other day JOC had Beagle listed as Forward too. Did someone get in his ear. Maybe that is what he’s told at end of year meeting. Stick around we got plans for ya even tho w every opportunity this year we played the 3 bigs at F approximately 5 mins total.

 

[spider23]

Good stuff GK - you noticed I did moved Beagle back to Center.
I could text my source from Big Y - but more curious to use that text on his opinion of the Tobin Anderson ouster and Geriot hire.
I'm sure Graham will be back and Moon will give him minutes early in the season vs whichever D2 squads we can round up on the schedule.
I am confused about this scholarships vs roster spots thing. So there is no way Mooney can list his nephew on the roster and have him practice without it taking up one of 15 spots? Is that right?

 

[urfan1]

Good stuff GK - you noticed I did moved Beagle back to Center.
I could text my source from Big Y - but more curious to use that text on his opinion of the Tobin Anderson ouster and Geriot hire.
I'm sure Graham will be back and Moon will give him minutes early in the season vs whichever D2 squads we can round up on the schedule.
I am confused about this scholarships vs roster spots thing. So there is no way Mooney can list his nephew on the roster and have him practice without it taking up one of 15 spots? Is that right?

The only thought I had about the roster walk=on guys would be. Move to a manager, practice with team as do now, we can move you if a spot opens,

 

[spiderman]

Guards - Tyne , David Thomas, Kirby Mooney, Argabright, Harper,

Forwards - Robinson, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Graham, Richardson

Center - Walz , Soulis, Beagle

Down to one spot.

there's some positional flexibility. Tanner and maybe Richardson could play off guard. Tanner probably played better at guard last year, though definitely not a lead guard.

if nobody leaves where do you fill that one spot left? I guess the shallowest experienced spot is forward, but bringing in a talented vet there effectively blocks all 3 freshmen.

on these 15 man rosters, there are 4-5 guys who won't play. while it annoys me to fill spots with Graham and Mooney who aren't going to substantially help us, in theory they're $0 NIL guys so you can spend elsewhere.

 

[SpiderGuy]

there's some positional flexibility. Tanner and maybe Richardson could play off guard. Tanner probably played better at guard last year, though definitely not a lead guard.

if nobody leaves where do you fill that one spot left? I guess the shallowest experienced spot is forward, but bringing in a talented vet there effectively blocks all 3 freshmen.

on these 15 man rosters, there are 4-5 guys who won't play. while it annoys me to fill spots with Graham and Mooney who aren't going to substantially help us, in theory they're $0 NIL guys so you can spend elsewhere.

They might not cost in NIL but they are limiting us for positions that could be offered in portal. Hopefully what we could get in portal would exceed their skills and potential.

 

[spider23]

I really don't know much about Richardson, but I saw Tanner struggle to keep wings in front of him on D, so that is why don't consider him a guard. And Mooney usually has two guys that can bring the ball up the court at guard.

 

[MrTbone]

Guards - Tyne , David Thomas, Kirby Mooney, Argabright, Harper,

Forwards - Robinson, AP, Tanner, McGlothin, Graham, Richardson

Center - Walz , Soulis, Beagle

Down to one spot.

Still thinking Beagle would want to bolt, but if so sure is taking sweet time considering all the activity in the portal. Graham would seemingly want to go down a level but maybe his tape from this year is preventing and Mooney seems to want to give him more opportunity than he earned based on his game play. AP, Tanner anyone hear anything? I think both could be contributors, but I see a very defined ceiling on these guys. And neither are adequate on defense. Let's see what happens in the next week.

Graham listed as a F? Good grief.

 

[spider23]

Again, even more than Tanner, Graham did not show capability to dribble the ball without the other team smelling blood in the water and either turning him over or forcing to pick up his dribble. So not a guard.

 

[GKiller]

Does anyone know if Richardson can play guard? Originally I thought reported as guard. That he was like a point forward. Now I get it’s hs. Dji was pg in hs and not in college. But I was hoping Richardson could do the transition to college backcourt.

 

[MDspider8]

Here's how I'd break down the roster right now:

True Guards (Can play the 1 or 2): Johnston, Thomas, Tyne, Argabright, Harper, Mooney, Graham

• This is a really crowded room with Johnston, Thomas, Argabright and Harper coming on board. I'd expect at least one of the freshmen to redshirt due to lack of available PT. Seems like it's going to be three-man competition for major minutes amoing Johnston, Thomas, and Tyne. I'd be most confident in Johnston starting based on his shooting, decent size, and playmaking potential. Curious to see how Thomas performs when dropping down a level. Tyne did seem to play better as the year went on, but he's a career 36% FG and 27% 3PT shooter with 73 career assists and 68 career turnovers. I can't expect him to make a huge leap based on two seasons of sample size.

Wings (Can play the 2 or 3): Tanner, Richardson

• This obviously leaves a ton to be desired. We badly need an athletic wing who can attack the rim, defend at a high-level, and contribute on the boards. Maybe Richardson can grow into that eventually (6'6, 185 lbs) but relying on that in his true freshman year would be tough. Tanner hasn't shown enough for me in two years to get me excited either. Would love if we could open another roster spot and grab a starting-caliber guy here.

Forwards (Can play the 3 or 4): Roumoglou, McGlothin, Robinson

• We really don't know what we have with McGlothin or Robinson, but I'm hopeful that at least one of them can make an impact this year. Both have decent size and/or athleticism that make me hopeful they can be A10 contributors. AP was definitely a let down this past season but I'd hope he can be more efficient as a depth/bench piece rather than a guy who is pushing 30 MPG. Another area where I'd love to have a roster spot open and grab a Bigelow-type player if we can find one.

Centers (mostly 5, could play some 4): Walz, Beagle, Soulis

• Not a terrible gorup of bigs, but we don't have the Cline/Golden/Quinn impact guy that we really need here. Walz can definitely be an solid player when he's on, but still don't think he's aggresive enough in looking to score when he needs to. Interested to see what Soulis can be as he continues to get stronger and healthier. I'd think Beagle is the odd man out for playing time here given his minutes gradually decreased as the season went on.

If this is it, think we're in for another rough year....relying on a lot of young guys to make impacts and returners to make big jumps from last season.

 

[Eight Legger]

That's a 6-30 roster.

 

[spiderman]

I optimistically can see a path for that being a good team, but it would take improvement from returning guys and some new faces to outperform expectations.
I really need McGlothin and/or Robinson to be the real deal.

 

[Eight Legger]

The next redshirt freshman under Mooney who is an immediate major impact player will be the first.

 

[spider23]

In order for us to be any good next year with this roster:
Guards - two transfers need to start. Tyne come in and be disruptive on D and aggressive but under control and shoot much better.
Wing - Need McGlothin to be a stud. Period. With Tanner and Glou filling in , whoever can hit a few threes and not get torched on D.
PF- Need Robinson to be a force for 25 minutes on D, boards and attacking rim. Shoot good enough to keep D honest. Beagle off the bench.
C- Need Walz or Soulis to step up. Tired of hearing how well spoken and how he says the right thing and takes responsibility in regards to Walz. That is all great. Now go out on the court and show it. U can talk the talk, now walk the walk. Preferably Soulis is very good at 4 and 5 and stays on the court for 30 minutes per game.

Asking alot I know.

 

[urmite]

That's a 6-30 roster.

2-29? Then 4-1 in A10 Tourney? Bold prediction…

 

[SpiderGuy]

In order for us to be any good next year with this roster:
Guards - two transfers need to start. Tyne come in and be disruptive on D and aggressive but under control and shoot much better.
Wing - Need McGlothin to be a stud. Period. With Tanner and Glou filling in , whoever can hit a few threes and not get torched on D.
PF- Need Robinson to be a force for 25 minutes on D, boards and attacking rim. Shoot good enough to keep D honest. Beagle off the bench.
C- Need Walz or Soulis to step up. Tired of hearing how well spoken and how he says the right thing and takes responsibility in regards to Walz. That is all great. Now go out on the court and show it. U can talk the talk, now walk the walk. Preferably Soulis is very good at 4 and 5 and stays on the court for 30 minutes per game.

Asking alot I know.

I’d be shocked if Tyne doesn’t start. Started most of the year, played well prob last 1/3 of season scoring more.

And most importantly - never forget the Mooney loyalty factor. We’ve had this discussion before on others in previous years.

 

[MrTbone]

Again, even more than Tanner, Graham did not show capability to dribble the ball without the other team smelling blood in the water and either turning him over or forcing to pick up his dribble. So not a guard.

Yeah but by the same logic if he can’t rebound or work the paint he’s not a F.

So, he’s a guard, pretty sure of it.