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VT4700

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I could do this each week, and it would likely change every time I do it, but why not have some fun with some estimated minutes less than 3 months out.

King 35
Bigs 33
Hunt 26
Quinn 26
Roche 20
Noyes 16
Harris 10
Tanner 8
Walz 6
Soulis 6
Dji 6
Smith 6
Tyne 2

* after the top 6, the minutes for the others could vary dramatically..some games could be 10+, but other games 5 or less.
 
How did I know you'd have Dji near the bottom? ;)

Hard to imagine Mooney giving a senior guard less minutes than he's ever had in his career but I guess time will tell.

Many of your other numbers I think are pretty fair. I think Walz may be closer to 10 just out of necessity/lack of other big options. Definitely more unknowns going into this year than we have had in quite some time.
 
I think the minutes could also depend on type defense that is decided. With what looks like more depth in the wing/guards slot, Mooney could implement more 3/4 to full court pressure which would require him to use more players to keep them fresh. This would certainly have Dji, Roach, Noyes, etc... with more minutes.
 
How did I know you'd have Dji near the bottom? ;)

Hard to imagine Mooney giving a senior guard less minutes than he's ever had in his career but I guess time will tell.

Many of your other numbers I think are pretty fair. I think Walz may be closer to 10 just out of necessity/lack of other big options. Definitely more unknowns going into this year than we have had in quite some time.
All fair, and sure, I could be wrong on Dji. We will see. I think he is behind some guys, and I think he will see less minutes as a senior because we added King, Hunt, Smith, and Tanner, but I am unsure about early playing time for Tanner and Smith, so maybe he can get some of their minutes and get to 10+. I don't think Dji being a senior means much, and 6 of the top 7 guys I have up there all have multiple years and lots of minutes anyway. I think I had Walz at 10 or 12 earlier, but I think Soulis could get some.of those minutes. Kind of like with Tanner and Smith, really hard to tell what minutes the freshman will get, especially early.
 
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I think the minutes could also depend on type defense that is decided. With what looks like more depth in the wing/guards slot, Mooney could implement more 3/4 to full court pressure which would require him to use more players to keep them fresh. This would certainly have Dji, Roach, Noyes, etc... with more minutes.
Wouldn't more players mean less minutes? Unless you are talking outside the top 7 or 8 guys, but they won't get many minutes anyway, whether we press or not.
 
Wouldn't more players mean less minutes? Unless you are talking outside the top 7 or 8 guys, but they won't get many minutes anyway, whether we press or not.
there are more players to divide up 40 minutes so a little more reduced time for some of the starters, the second five, a little more time, for there are more players to spread 40 minutes around. A pressure defense is going to create more frequent subbing, typically.
 
there are more players to divide up 40 minutes so a little more reduced time for some of the starters, the second five, a little more time, for there are more players to spread 40 minutes around. A pressure defense is going to create more frequent subbing, typically.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. I don't think King, Hunt, or Bigs gets less time whether we press or don't press. Same with Quinn, Walz, Soulis....they will likely combine for close to 40 minutes. We could go real small at times, but probably very rarely. So, maybe we press some and Roche and Noyes lose minutes, but I kind of already have that factored in with what I gave them. I guess we will see, but I don't see pressing affecting minutes too much. We could sub more often and still have the same minutes. Smith, Tanner, and Dji could come in, go out, come back in and go back out, and get 6-8 minutes that way, or they could have the same minutes if they just stayed in the whole 6-8 minutes.
 
Agreed, Dji is going to get significant minutes. I think Harris is going to get more than 10 minutes as well, he is a 5th year player, probably some of those minutes will come from Bigs.

Everyone else that seems pretty fair based on where we are right now. Side note, I would love to see all of our freshman get the minutes 4700 has. It is extremely important for them to see court time this year in my opinion, unless one of them is simply not ready. We can not have another Noyes situation where he is identified by the coaches as someone who has upped in his game in the offseason and then just not play much at all.
 
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I agree that 4700 numbers are pretty solid.

I will predict that DJI gets more minutes than you suggest, and that Bigelow minutes will be less. Also think it likely that Soulis gets more and more of Walz time as season goes on. Unless he has developed dramatically (which is always possible) I don't see Walz as effective enough to be in the game.

And, if Harris plays over Noyes and Tanner then coach should be taken to the woodshed. I don't care if Harris is a 19-year guy, putting what he brings (or lack thereof) (for 1-season) in front of 2 guys that you need to develop is absolute coaching insanity.
 
No idea how much time the three scholarship freshman guard get. Could see Tyne or Tanner getting some minutes if they can hit threes in games. Smith I see as more of a floor general/defender type guy moreso than instant offense.
Soulis I'm giving more to b/c I feel like with his size and skillset, he could force his way on the floor and I am hoping that is the case.
 
Agreed, Dji is going to get significant minutes. I think Harris is going to get more than 10 minutes as well, he is a 5th year player, probably some of those minutes will come from Bigs.

Everyone else that seems pretty fair based on where we are right now. Side note, I would love to see all of our freshman get the minutes 4700 has. It is extremely important for them to see court time this year in my opinion, unless one of them is simply not ready. We can not have another Noyes situation where he is identified by the coaches as someone who has upped in his game in the offseason and then just not play much at all.
If the freshman are ready and can help, I am all for giving them minutes. But, if one reserve is clearly better than another reserve, you are talking about a big drop off from a starter to a guy who is not close to as good as a top reserve right now. It's all about talent and how much better guys can make us, not how young or old they are. If Noyes is better than Harris, Noyes should be ahead of him in the rotation. If Tanner and Smith are better than Dji, they should be ahead of him in the rotation.

Time will tell how many minutes Dji will get. You say significant. I would counter with the fact he played 20 minutes a game in his 7 starts last year and scored 30 total points with only 7 total assists. He also had the 2nd most turnovers per 40 minutes on the team last year, trailing only Walz. This is year 4 and he has never been a scorer, and seems to be turnover prone.....sorry, but I just don't see how significant minutes from him makes us better. Obviously you and others do, so I would be interested in hearing what I am missing in 4 years, and how 20+ minutes a game from him will make us better. I just can't believe what I have seen for 3 years is so dramatically different from what some of you have seen.

And, no I am not hating on Dji, although I'm sure everyone will think I am. I gave Soulis, Smith, and Walz the same minutes I gave Dji, and Tanner only 2 more. And, I ask that you not forget my opinion on Sal. Some wanted him to play more, even take Grace's minutes. I said play even less, if not redshirt after year 2 or 3 because I saw such little time for him. I wasn't hating on Sal...I just didn't think he added a lot of value. I was only giving my opinion there, just like I have done with Dji. I have been wrong before and will be wrong again, but I do think it is fair to say I was right about Sal, and have been right about Dji for 3 years now. Bottom line is there are only so many minutes, and I hope our best guys get nearly all of them.

As for Noyes, I agree, and would have liked to have seen him more last year. His 2nd year in the system, he should have been out there more. If we were rolling most games last year, and he was behind a couple all conference players, I get it, but we struggled so many games last year. I think you have to play him more and see what kind of spark he might have brought.
 
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I can get your opinion on Dji - because at some point you need to see the production.

My opinion is one based on the good flashes we have seen on the court - that get wiped away by not being to build on them due to injury for the most part. And then the injury impacting the offseason. Kind of like Burton last off season. It was great he was getting the NBA workout experience, but then he got hurt and could not improve on the critical areas of 3 point shooting and ball handling and as good as he was - it affected his impact on winning.
Dji I think with injury has been in that boat in the past, where he could not build on the positive due to injury.
Hoping this offseason he has been healthy and able to work on his game - sounds like he has and has added some weight. I do think he has shown some ability to use his height and length to set other up - especially dump downs to Quinn. I know the mid range jumper is a bad word, but not too late to build that up for Dji :), it worked out OK for Lamont Butler this past season haha:

From the Athletic: Instead of making the 100-mile trip north to Moreno Valley, Calif., and home last summer, Butler immersed himself in self-improvement on campus. He’d taken a total of 10 jump shots inside the 3-point arc in 2021-22, per Synergy Sports. He’d made one. His 30.1 percent efficiency from long range didn’t sparkle, either, all of which led a player who broke Reggie Miller’s scoring record at his high school to reevaluate what kind of repertoire he was bringing to bear nightly. “To get a midrange game was big for me in the summer,” Butler said Saturday night. He focused not on volume but on how many shots in a row he could hit — 10 straight, 15 straight — in an effort to build consistency. The one-dribble pull-up that put Florida Atlantic away? Butler didn’t have a count on how many of those he hoisted away from the spotlight just a few months ago. All he knows is there were a lot of them.
Get to work SDAD and DJI :):):)
 
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I don't see what is so funny about that. If you disagree, fine, but, last year, in his first 13 games before we benched Nelson, Dji had games of 6,5,4,6, and 4 minutes...and that was without King and Hunt....and Tanner and Smith.....and Harris and Noyes.
 
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Did you ask 97 and others the same question about Grace and Goose?
I stand by my assessments on Goose and Grace. Both were valuable bench players for us but neither was a quality A-10 starter on a competitive A-10 squad. I think our season last year pretty much validated that. I never advocated that they get 6 minutes per game though, they both clearly had more skill than a 6 minute per game guy. Much as Dji is more talented than 6 minutes per game. I do agree he does need to be more impactful in his minutes than he has shown though.
 
Agree about Dji being more impactful when on the court. This is the path: 1) Eliminate the bad turnovers. These are mostly drying to dribble through a quick guy that is about 6 inches shorter. Just be more careful in these situations. 2) In the half court - catch the ball and look to make plays. Gets too caught up in running the "pattern", as opposed to looking to catch it and go or take a shot. 3) Continue playing good D, rebounding, loose balls, and making nice passes.

Number 3 we have seen in flashes and know he has those abilities at this level. Concentrate on 1 and 2 more.
 
I think/hope #1 gets taken care of natually this year playing off the ball more. let King or Hunt (or Tyne or Smith) bring the ball up. Dji seems to have nice vision and passing in the halfcourt.

I expect most of Dji's impact to be on the defensive end, but he can be effective offensively. he should get plenty of opportunity early. time to reach that potential.
 
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This is off topic, buy my daughter goes to USC, and just texted me a picture from her first class of the semester (an English elective class) of Bronny and Isaiah Collier in her class. Thought that was hilarious. Now if someone could just skim off a thousandth of their NIL money for our tuition purposes that would be nice.
 
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This is off topic, buy my daughter goes to USC, and just texted me a picture from her first class of the semester (an English elective class) of Bronny and Isaiah Collier in her class. Thought that was hilarious. Now if someone could just skim off a thousandth of their NIL money for our tuition purposes that would be nice.
what's she waiting for, it doesn't hurt to ask 😆
 
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This is off topic, buy my daughter goes to USC, and just texted me a picture from her first class of the semester (an English elective class) of Bronny and Isaiah Collier in her class. Thought that was hilarious. Now if someone could just skim off a thousandth of their NIL money for our tuition purposes that would be nice.
That's really cool. "Dad, I met this nice guy in English class....I think he plays basketball". ..😀
 
Haha, she knows who they are. When Bronny committed I got a text from her at the same time got an alert from ESPN or CBS Sports. Hoping Bronny is healthy and can play without incident. On one hand, I'm sure he has the best doctors' in the world looking at his case, but on the other - if they can't determine the specific cause it is a huge risk.
 
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That's really cool. "Dad, I met this nice guy in English class....I think he plays basketball". ..😀
That reminds me of my first class at UR freshman year. I‘ve probably told this story before, but I’m telling it again.

I was the last one there, it was the long semi circle tables, only seat was between two women. After class was over I stood up, or I thought I did. Didn’t seem like it, as they were both about 7 inches taller than me.

It was the starting center and power forward, Karen Elsner & Betsy McCormick.
Unlike Bronny, I didn’t know who they were at the time, and thought, “They grow them tall here at UR”
 
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