This is 100% spot on. I suspect that they will give him a raise and an extension (because it fits their management mode) but it really makes no sense to immediately reward 1-improbable result and ignore 11 previous results.
I think we are in a position where we wouldn't need an up and comer. If for whatever reason, Mooney is not our coach anymore, we should be able to get a proven guy in here and pay him at least 6.5 million for 5 years. But, as far as Mooney is concerned, as I said a few posts ago, you already made a decision based on years up to 2019, and you stuck with him. Now, you make a decision based on the last 3 years, which to me seems like a raise and an extension are in order.
It also shows the support and commitment you have to the program. By not giving some sort of extensions or modest raise after an NCAA bid - I think it will limit what coaches looks at us in the future. OR - if they do look at us - the price will increase, because in their mind they will say - if I make the NCAA tourney - you might give me nothing just like you did Mooney, so I better get my money upfront to make sure I get paid either way. And I got a feeling when and if Mooney leaves or retires, UR will like to get below the $1 million threshold for basketball coach.
Why would we want an “up and comer” ? That would be a gamble, not worth taking in my book.
When have we ever not hired an up and comer?
seriously.
We are at a place now as a program where we would not hire and would have no reason to hire an up and comer.
Or, a successful head coach at a similar, but slightly lower level. Or, even the same level, and the same conference, like a Mark Schmidt type. And, choice 3 is not always bad. I bet Dayton is happy with Grant right now. I guess it depends on what you think up and comer means because it is all opinion, but I would think Richmond would be an attractive job for quite a few solid, proven head coaches out there.
good point. I'm thinking of a Matt Langel type at Colgate. the guy's been successful for a long time. tough to call him an up and comer.
Humorous - if you like humor tell your friend that means positive....................
We could do that but UR has literally never hired coaches that way.
Well, we have also not had a lot of coaches the past 25 years. We were still in the CAA when Beilein went from Canisius to here. Then, only a year after moving to the A-10, we got Wainwright from the same CAA conference we were in. Then, we got Mooney from Air Force, who was in a pretty good conference, with Utah and New Mexico both going dancing the year Mooney went 18-12 there. So, it's not like we got Mooney from a much lesser conference, and that was 17 years ago.. All head coaches at their previous stop, and I would think anyone would agree that we are now a much more attractive job for a head coach than we were then. I doubt we would go after an "up and comer" from Canisius now, right?
I have zero reason to think we’d go after a straight “like for like” replacement. Again, we’ve never done that.
Dude, it’s a hypothetical. We are going to discuss all kinds of edge cases until November rolls around. Buckle up.
And we suffered through years of mooniocrity. So yes, after the glow of the NCAAs wears off, we are going to discuss
Well Dude, why aren’t there any discussions with a positive vain? I’m not new to this board Dude.
You answered it. Because it is June. Why not? Just having a little fun with the what if game. It would be like asking who would start if Tyler didn't come back. Yes, irrelevant because he is back, but still could lead to some good discussion if done the right way, just like this discussion.
Feel free to start an intriguing positive hypothetical (vein).
I honestly can’t believe we are even considering giving Mooney an extension after last season and can’t think of a more critical issue facing the team right now. You’ll never convince me last year went as expected; in fact I was very disappointed with how it went until the final weeks. I honestly thought we’d be in the conversation for a top 25 slot throughout the season. If we fall flat again next year then I think we need the ability to go in a different direction.
I get this reaction but also think the optics make it hard not to extend him after making the tournament, ignoring the method by which it happened.
The question is - what is a good season this year. And there are likely 2 answers to this question.
Well, this is interesting. I am NCAA or bust again. That is how the good mid major programs think and act. By going out and plugging in Quinn, Roche and Bigelow - we are seeming to go all in. Otherwise we plug in Randolph, Dread, and Noyes and take our lumps for a year looking to the following year. Quinn was probably the biggest necessity in order to be competitive - as we struck out on big man recruits with the guy who transferred to FGCU. I have hope for Walz, but think being able to work him up to speed next two seasons is ideal. But to your point, I m sure following the NCAA year Hardt is thinking we just need to compete the next two seasons.
