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Idaho State was theonly other d-1 offer that I could find. Anyone find any others. 6'11 with only other D-1 offer is kind of a red flag.
Yep that’s all I could find too. Watched his highlights and was mostly dunks and rebounds over players half his size. Hate to be critical of the kid before he even steps on campus, but this looks to be a “we have one scholarship left, let’s try and find a diamond in the rough” kind of player. This will be 6 freshmen/redshirt freshmen this class. Mooney thinking it’s sustainable to have class sizes this big and staying 4-5 years is ridiculous.

Again, I really don’t mean to be critical of the kid who I hope becomes a spider great, but this is what I meant earlier when I said I’d rather focus on getting fewer players that are more likely to be impact guys. Presumably we’re going to give him some kind of NIL, just for him to sit on the bench and hope he develops into an A10 level player his 2nd or 3rd year. This NIL could have been used with other NIL to attract a more impact, college ready caliber player. I get the other side of the argument, which is we have the space we might as well use it, but does anyone have confidence right now that this freshmen class will have at least one player contribute meaningful minutes this year?
 
... but does anyone have confidence right now that this freshmen class will have at least one player contribute meaningful minutes this year?
with the roster increases and the transfer market in general, you might not see 5 freshmen in the entire conference who play big minutes.
we'll see, but expect him as a "break glass in case of emergency" young big man. I'm guessing he's a likely redshirt if Walz and Beagle stay healthy. hit the weights, work on his skills. and bang with the old big men in practice.
 
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Yep that’s all I could find too. Watched his highlights and was mostly dunks and rebounds over players half his size. Hate to be critical of the kid before he even steps on campus, but this looks to be a “we have one scholarship left, let’s try and find a diamond in the rough” kind of player. This will be 6 freshmen/redshirt freshmen this class. Mooney thinking it’s sustainable to have class sizes this big and staying 4-5 years is ridiculous.

Again, I really don’t mean to be critical of the kid who I hope becomes a spider great, but this is what I meant earlier when I said I’d rather focus on getting fewer players that are more likely to be impact guys. Presumably we’re going to give him some kind of NIL, just for him to sit on the bench and hope he develops into an A10 level player his 2nd or 3rd year. This NIL could have been used with other NIL to attract a more impact, college ready caliber player. I get the other side of the argument, which is we have the space we might as well use it, but does anyone have confidence right now that this freshmen class will have at least one player contribute meaningful minutes this year?
Can't imagine this is a kid we're giving legitimate NIL to....this seems like a walk-on scenario w/ the team deciding we'd rather use that spot on a big-man than someone like Kirby.
 
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with the roster increases and the transfer market in general, you might not see 5 freshmen in the entire conference who play big minutes.
we'll see, but expect him as a "break glass in case of emergency" young big man. I'm guessing he's a likely redshirt if Walz and Beagle stay healthy. hit the weights, work on his skills. and bang with the old big men in practice.
I don't think it's a good approach to get into the habit of redshirting guys now every year. Redshirting really should be for medical or in cases where the upper class are all studs and going to dominate the playing time (like Gilly/Golden final year).

I don't hear any other coach in the conference hoping to have 4-5 year guys on their roster, only Mooney, so I expect them to be focusing heavy on upperclassmen. If Mooney wants to sustain 4-5 year guys AND have a basketball team that is good, then the guys he brings in need to be game ready day 1 more often than what it is happening right now.
 
Can't imagine this is a kid we're giving legitimate NIL to....this seems like a walk-on scenario w/ the team deciding we'd rather use that spot on a big-man than someone like Kirby.
There is a high likelihood that he redshirts this year and does not see the court. Tell me why is this approach better than waiting until next year and finding a big man with 2-3 years of eligibility looking to transfer at a higher level. I would rather devote the time and resources for a more college proven, impact player than a diamond in the rough developmental player. We need big men after this year, but we can find a good big man in the transfer portal or even a big man in the class of 2026 who is higher rated and has more offers than just Idaho State.
 
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Can't imagine this is a kid we're giving legitimate NIL to....this seems like a walk-on scenario w/ the team deciding we'd rather use that spot on a big-man than someone like Kirby.
It will be interesting. Technically, there are no walk-ons anymore. Right? But I would think a 6'11 senior with 1 D-1 offer besides ours, would generally have fit the former category of "recruited walk-on".
 
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There is a high likelihood that he redshirts this year and does not see the court. Tell me why is this approach better than waiting until next year and finding a big man with 2-3 years of eligibility looking to transfer at a higher level. I would rather devote the time and resources for a more college proven, impact player than a diamond in the rough developmental player. We need big men after this year, but we can find a good big man in the transfer portal or even a big man in the class of 2026 who is higher rated and has more offers than just Idaho State.
Only way he sees the court is if Walz, Beagle and probably Daughtry all break their legs during the season.
 
Welcome Dylan! Really don't see the downside on this move. You can't teach size. Even as a developmental prospect, with two senior centers graduating, it provides potential depth next year and should not preclude us from looking at the transfer market.
 
It will be interesting. Technically, there are no walk-ons anymore. Right? But I would think a 6'11 senior with 1 D-1 offer besides ours, would generally have fit the former category of "recruited walk-on".

There are still walk ons
 
I don't think it's a good approach to get into the habit of redshirting guys now every year. Redshirting really should be for medical or in cases where the upper class are all studs and going to dominate the playing time (like Gilly/Golden final year).

I don't hear any other coach in the conference hoping to have 4-5 year guys on their roster, only Mooney, so I expect them to be focusing heavy on upperclassmen. If Mooney wants to sustain 4-5 year guys AND have a basketball team that is good, then the guys he brings in need to be game ready day 1 more often than what it is happening right now.

hey u wanted to extend him
 
It will be interesting. Technically, there are no walk-ons anymore. Right? But I would think a 6'11 senior with 1 D-1 offer besides ours, would generally have fit the former category of "recruited walk-on".
There are walk-ons, but since we're getting rid of scholarship limits, I don't think walk-ons are going to be explicitly called out anymore like they were in the past. It's 15 (or maybe 16?) roster spots, of which the divide of scholarshipped and non-scholarshipped players can be whatever you want them to be. At least this is what I believe to be true, but like GKiller pointed out in another thread, still seems ambiguous when it will go into effect.

But yes, my point was that these seems like a classic pre-NIL area walk-on.
 
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There is a high likelihood that he redshirts this year and does not see the court. Tell me why is this approach better than waiting until next year and finding a big man with 2-3 years of eligibility looking to transfer at a higher level. I would rather devote the time and resources for a more college proven, impact player than a diamond in the rough developmental player. We need big men after this year, but we can find a good big man in the transfer portal or even a big man in the class of 2026 who is higher rated and has more offers than just Idaho State.

we have 5 ships minimum after next season I think. that's without counting transfers so really more than 5. we'll be in the big man market next offseason regardless. how does this change that.

Unfortunately Moon needs as many bullets as possible from shooting so many blanks. so yeah he's got to find the diamonds in the rough. if his roster was a lot better it's probably a different situation but Moon built the roster. It's great if we could go out and sign the high profile transfer studs. when have we done it. I don't think we're spending as much $ as u think, nor is Mooney going to ever win a Rolaids relief award (Closer).
 
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Mooney going to ever win a Rolaids relief award (Closer).
Funny you mentioned this, I was looking through a box of old baseball and football cards and found a Goose Gossage card. I know, a little random - but you brought up the Rolaids Relief Award and pretty sure Goose would have won that. Also, I found a Tommy John card (looks like I cut it out from a cereal box or ring ding box), looked at the back and he was missing the '75 season.

Ok back to hoops.
 
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There is a high likelihood that he redshirts this year and does not see the court. Tell me why is this approach better than waiting until next year and finding a big man with 2-3 years of eligibility looking to transfer at a higher level. I would rather devote the time and resources for a more college proven, impact player than a diamond in the rough developmental player. We need big men after this year, but we can find a good big man in the transfer portal or even a big man in the class of 2026 who is higher rated and has more offers than just Idaho State.
I'll tell you why: because the inefficiency right now is in high school recruiting. Your approach is what nearly all schools are doing, which makes it more challenging to succeed. What is falling through the cracks are the high school recruits below the top tier of recruits. So we may very well end up with a better player 2 years from now by mining high school than by mining the portal.
 
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I'll tell you why: because the inefficiency right now is in high school recruiting. Your approach is what nearly all schools are doing, which makes it more challenging to succeed. What is falling through the cracks are the high school recruits below the top tier of recruits. So we may very well end up with a better player 2 years from now by mining high school than by mining the portal.
Right, P5 schools are shifting their focus to the portal, which means more high school recruits should in theory be available. Ideally, this means we can land 4 star recruits that we otherwise wouldn't have had a chance to land. This kind of recruit will always be available to offer a scholarship to. As an A10 level program, we should be bringing in higher caliber recruits. Just calling it as I see it. Our high school recruiting has regressed the past several years.
 
RTD reports https://richmond.com/sports/college...cle_04a509de-30c7-4893-ba49-ace52dfaab04.html

But redshirt freshman guard Kirby Mooney, the nephew of coach Chris Mooney, came to Richmond as a walk-on. His roster position is expected to be exempt.

Richmond views Homenick as a freshman whose job it will be learn and get stronger while Walz and Beagle share the interior minutes for the Spiders, who are coming off a 10-22 season (5-13 A-10).
 
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Right, P5 schools are shifting their focus to the portal, which means more high school recruits should in theory be available. Ideally, this means we can land 4 star recruits that we otherwise wouldn't have had a chance to land. This kind of recruit will always be available to offer a scholarship to. As an A10 level program, we should be bringing in higher caliber recruits. Just calling it as I see it. Our high school recruiting has regressed the past several years.
Agree with this, except the 4 star comment, especially if you are talking bigs. There aren't many 4 star bigs out there, so, if not all, nearly all of those will still end up with power schools. Usually 4 star recruits are between about 15-100 in the country. So, not saying impossible, but I can't agree that we can or should now land 4 star guys because nearly all of those, bigs or not, will still go to majors.
 
Agree with this, except the 4 star comment, especially if you are talking bigs. There aren't many 4 star bigs out there, so, if not all, nearly all of those will still end up with power schools. Usually 4 star recruits are between about 15-100 in the country. So, not saying impossible, but I can't agree that we can or should now land 4 star guys because nearly all of those, bigs or not, will still go to majors.
Perhaps 4 star big men will be just as hard like you say, but the overall recruiting pool of higher caliber players should be more open - in theory - to mid majors than before. Personally, I don’t see a strong need to get a developmental big man for the sake of having one. If the staff sees the potential, I can see why they took the chance. For me, I think we can feel confident that we can find a good big man from the portal who has proven college experience. My guess is we will still go after a big man in the portal next year too. We need freshmen to contribute more than they have been and getting more developmental players isn’t helping that case.
 
Perhaps 4 star big men will be just as hard like you say, but the overall recruiting pool of higher caliber players should be more open - in theory - to mid majors than before. Personally, I don’t see a strong need to get a developmental big man for the sake of having one. If the staff sees the potential, I can see why they took the chance. For me, I think we can feel confident that we can find a good big man from the portal who has proven college experience. My guess is we will still go after a big man in the portal next year too. We need freshmen to contribute more than they have been and getting more developmental players isn’t helping that case.
I agree we should have some more options with talented guys now, but my point is I don't think this means we should now be able to land 4 star recruits because nearly all the 4 stars are still going to majors. I would be more than happy with some quality 3 star 150-250 type guys who might have been more major type guys a few years ago.
 
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Perhaps 4 star big men will be just as hard like you say, but the overall recruiting pool of higher caliber players should be more open - in theory - to mid majors than before. Personally, I don’t see a strong need to get a developmental big man for the sake of having one. If the staff sees the potential, I can see why they took the chance. For me, I think we can feel confident that we can find a good big man from the portal who has proven college experience. My guess is we will still go after a big man in the portal next year too. We need freshmen to contribute more than they have been and getting more developmental players isn’t helping that case.
The rotation has 2 big men already. We aren't going to play a third this year, unless there is an injury. But we're in a bad spot going into next year with Daughtry as our tallest player. Yes, we can still try to attract a couple bigs in the portal next year, and I expect we will. But with the 15th scholarship, I'm all for an attempt at diversifying the portfolio a little. As I said before, there are HS kids that are getting overlooked because 2500 kids enter the portal every year. Maybe Dylan is one.
 
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The rotation has 2 big men already. We aren't going to play a third this year, unless there is an injury. But we're in a bad spot going into next year with Daughtry as our tallest player. Yes, we can still try to attract a couple bigs in the portal next year, and I expect we will. But with the 15th scholarship, I'm all for an attempt at diversifying the portfolio a little. As I said before, there are HS kids that are getting overlooked because 2500 kids enter the portal every year. Maybe Dylan is one.
Well, Dylan was overlooked by the other 363 D-1 schools with the exception of us and Idaho State. And he played on a prep team with numerous other D-1 recruits playing other high level prep schools. So, it's not like he wasn't seen by lots of coaches. 6'11 kids that play in high level prep leagues are not going to overlooked.
 
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The rotation has 2 big men already. We aren't going to play a third this year, unless there is an injury. But we're in a bad spot going into next year with Daughtry as our tallest player. Yes, we can still try to attract a couple bigs in the portal next year, and I expect we will. But with the 15th scholarship, I'm all for an attempt at diversifying the portfolio a little. As I said before, there are HS kids that are getting overlooked because 2500 kids enter the portal every year. Maybe Dylan is one.
We had a discussion about how many scholarships to use where I advocated focusing on fewer more impact players. Others made a point about using all 15 scholarships because you never know who might turn out to be good and it’s a numbers game. I don’t see how getting a developmental recruit in the class of 2025 who’s only other offer is Idaho state coming in with 5 other freshmen players and will redshirt this year, will help us in the long run. The chances of that are very small. We could’ve used the scholarship money saved by having 14 scholarship players towards house settlement funds for one guy (that’s $90K). Graduating our 2 senior bigs does not concern me. I have no question we will be able to find a good proven big man in the portal next year looking to transfer up and can make an immediate impact.

Others seem to think we can get an impact player with the 15th scholarship. Reality is we’re going to get developmental players like this. So save that money of scholarship for 15th guy and NIL given to him and use that instead to recruit a higher caliber recruit who can make more of an immediate impact for our program.
 
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Others seem to think we can get an impact player with the 15th scholarship. Reality is we’re going to get developmental players like this. So save that money of scholarship for 15th guy and NIL given to him and use that instead to recruit a higher caliber recruit who can make more of an immediate impact for our program.
I see it as we already recruited the best 14 we could get. we weren't holding back NIL to give to a 15th guy. there's no good reason at that point to stay at 14 vs taking a shot on an 18 year old big man.

and I doubt there's a way you can co-mingle funds to use the scholarship value to pay an extra guy. scholarships and NIL are still separate.
 
Others seem to think we can get an impact player with the 15th scholarship.

Not specifically the 15th. Think of it as 1 of the 13th-15th. Moon has too many misses. If he didn’t then your way is valid. I’m not against it in theory. Martelli at vcu can get away with 12 guys bc they’re confident he’ll hit on higher percentage. Even tho he’s a rookie coach at vcu with 2 years at Bryant. And we have a year 21 coach all at UR. What you’re really advocating for but don’t realize it is regime change. Get a coach who can identify and close (Rolaids) and u can adjust strategy.
 
I see it as we already recruited the best 14 we could get. we weren't holding back NIL to give to a 15th guy. there's no good reason at that point to stay at 14 vs taking a shot on an 18 year old big man.

and I doubt there's a way you can co-mingle funds to use the scholarship value to pay an extra guy. scholarships and NIL are still separate.

They r co-mingled imo to some extent. Because any new scholarship money is taken out of the rev share kitty to pay players. I believe up to the first 2.5 milly. That’s why there’s a thought by many that big schools won’t be just giving away more ships to smaller sports bc it would mean less they can pay players in football and hoops. I feel UR is more comfortable using ships over direct pay when possible. Not a fact of course just my impression from following Richmond athletics for a long time. Could change as the landscape does further.
 
They r co-mingled imo to some extent. Because any new scholarship money is taken out of the rev share kitty to pay players. I believe up to the first 2.5 milly. That’s why there’s a thought by many that big schools won’t be just giving away more ships to smaller sports bc it would mean less they can pay players in football and hoops. I feel UR is more comfortable using ships over direct pay when possible. Not a fact of course just my impression from following Richmond athletics for a long time. Could change as the landscape does further.
is it revenue share, or profit share?
because saving a scholarship doesn't change revenue.
 
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What you’re really advocating for but don’t realize it is regime change
No no no. Two years ago was a proving year (with Dji, King and Bigs winning reg season tie). Mooney proved he could do it. Last season was a rest year. This year is a building year. Then a getting over the hump. Then a prove it / justification of long game plan by Mooney. So I'm on board and setting up my expectations for 27-28 (if I did my math correctly). We need to re-set our expectations.
 
is it revenue share, or profit share?
because saving a scholarship doesn't change revenue.

It’s rev share. If it was profit share players would be getting peanuts. Not 20 million. Weird business model.

The rev share has nothing to do with UR. The up to 20 mil amount came from the p4 schools. U can direct pay 20 mil if u chose. If u decide to up the scholarships that’s your choice but ship cost gets deducted from the 20 million u could direct pay.
 
We had a discussion about how many scholarships to use where I advocated focusing on fewer more impact players. Others made a point about using all 15 scholarships because you never know who might turn out to be good and it’s a numbers game. I don’t see how getting a developmental recruit in the class of 2025 who’s only other offer is Idaho state coming in with 5 other freshmen players and will redshirt this year, will help us in the long run. The chances of that are very small. We could’ve used the scholarship money saved by having 14 scholarship players towards house settlement funds for one guy (that’s $90K). Graduating our 2 senior bigs does not concern me. I have no question we will be able to find a good proven big man in the portal next year looking to transfer up and can make an immediate impact.

Others seem to think we can get an impact player with the 15th scholarship. Reality is we’re going to get developmental players like this. So save that money of scholarship for 15th guy and NIL given to him and use that instead to recruit a higher caliber recruit who can make more of an immediate impact for our program.
This theory wont really work IMHO. I suspect that scholarships not used will not create additional dollars of player pay to consolidate into a higher caliber recruit. The school isn't actually out of pocket for the scholarship. Yes its "worth" 90K but I don't see that UR will allocate $270K in more actual cash out of pocket dollars for unused scholarships 13-15. Thats actual cash unlike the scholarship and comes on top of additional cash already being searched for to pay the house agreement etc. Just don't see it happening this way at UR (or most anywhere). I agree with notion of not paying them anything and no NIL etc. and use all we have for the top of the roster but that piece alone isn't going to be enough to have much impact.

I do believe the related thread thoughts about the fact that there is some inefficiency in the High School recruiting marketplace. I'd like to see us take advantage of this, but that's easier said than done. We have to be able to identify the right players who the market is missing on AND successfully woo them ( against others who will no doubt be trying to exploit the same market inefficiency). This isn't exactly a sweet spot for us historically. We quite frankly don't win a lot of recruiting wars for kids where we aren't the best school on their list. To the extent we have a strength in recruiting, I think its in recognizing kids whose ability turns out to be better than their place in the market. In other words, we have done well sometimes where we are the best (or among the best) schools on someone's list and that player turns out to be pretty good and the market had him tooo low. But we miss on a lot of these too.

IMHO being successful at recruiting comes through three areas - - (1) winning the occasional battle for a kid who might be slotted in at a higher level in the recruiting hierarchy; (2) consistently winning enough battles for kids that are slotted in solidly at your level (and it being kids who generally live up to that level and occasionally exceed that level) and (3) identifying some kids who are slotted in at lower levels that turn out to be better than that level. To be consistently successful as a program, you need some of all three.

Success at the first only occasionally is fine. Two needs to be your bread and butter and I don't feel like we get it done there often enough! Three is a different skill in my view. One and two require you to sell - - the coach, the school and the program, but its all about wooing the kid and selling him. Three is about identifying the kid who is better than everyone else thinks he is. You still have to sell, but being the highest level school on a kids list will get a lot of the sales done! One and two are sales jobs. Three is identify and develop. I think we do OK on three. The problem to me is because we don't get enough at the number two, we have too many in group three and you are going to miss on them more often than not.

As we have moved into a new era of recruiting with NIL and the portal, this 3 pronged approach changes some. Group One is even harder than it ever was because NIL dollars will make it even harder to convince a kid to come. Two and three are different - - harder in some ways, but maybe easier (or more opportunities) in some ways. First off, anybody you get in groups two or three, you are going to have to fight to keep way more than before. But there may now be some kids, for example, in group two who might have been in group one before and your competition to get them is more on your level now. So more kids that are big boy leftovers, but a fight to keep not only them but also your historical group two kids who turn out to be successful and you have to fend off the big boys every year for that kid! But if we can win some battles here, I think Moon has actually been pretty good at building loyalty etc. within the program and we might be able to do as well as or better than peers at keeping people.

Most importantly, we have to be better at actually winning battles against other schools at our level. At our level is not and can not be a NET 250 (or even 200) ranked team to be clear. At our level to me has to be teams that are consistently somewhere in the 50-100 NET range. This will put us top 5 every year in A10 and in with the bottom half (roughly) of P5 schools. We have to win some battles with these people. Historically we have not won many of these battles and we have made up for it (only somewhat) by identifying some lesser recruited kids who have worked out.

Problem is, I don't see how or why that would happen now forus when it hasn't up to now!
 
the problem for us and any school at our level is if we find a diamond in the rough, we won't be able to keep him. I don't care how much money we think we can spend, it won't be at the high major level where kids are landing multi-million dollar NIL payments.

if a kid blows up, he's gone. so we need kids who are good for our range, but not too good. or we have a couple kids who play well above this range in the same year before leaving (or graduating).
 
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15-minute podcast episode with Tyne. Mostly just a casual chat, little bit about his time playing in Canada and being able to play internationally on a national team there, talks about moving up to try to be a leader this season. Working on his shot (of course)...mid-range is his bread-and-butter, working on ball screen stuff.

 
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I see it as we already recruited the best 14 we could get. we weren't holding back NIL to give to a 15th guy. there's no good reason at that point to stay at 14 vs taking a shot on an 18 year old big man.

and I doubt there's a way you can co-mingle funds to use the scholarship value to pay an extra guy. scholarships and NIL are still separate.
We should and I don’t see why it would be so difficult. Between cost of attendance, stipends, maybe small NIL, this spot costs about $100K that could go towards another player that is ready to make an impact now.
Not specifically the 15th. Think of it as 1 of the 13th-15th. Moon has too many misses. If he didn’t then your way is valid. I’m not against it in theory. Martelli at vcu can get away with 12 guys bc they’re confident he’ll hit on higher percentage. Even tho he’s a rookie coach at vcu with 2 years at Bryant. And we have a year 21 coach all at UR. What you’re really advocating for but don’t realize it is regime change. Get a coach who can identify and close (Rolaids) and u can adjust strategy.
The question is why does Mooney have misses? We’ve had a lot of transfers go down levels over the years and only Burton transfer up as a grad. I don’t think it’s an identifying talent issue. We’ve been “interested” and “offered” many good players who’ve gone to P5. Rather, I think our misses come from our inability to close and get the deal done. Recruiting pitch with things like playing time and fitting the system, familial atmosphere, and our record/success plays a big part of recruiting. But money talks now and is a huge factor too. Let’s give more money to players who we are very confident can make an immediate impact. Instead, we are conservative and go for the lesser recruited/not as expensive player and try to get too many developmental players, that history says won’t pan out. So ya, we’re going to have more misses with these guys.
 
IMHO being successful at recruiting comes through three areas - - (1) winning the occasional battle for a kid who might be slotted in at a higher level in the recruiting hierarchy; (2) consistently winning enough battles for kids that are slotted in solidly at your level (and it being kids who generally live up to that level and occasionally exceed that level) and (3) identifying some kids who are slotted in at lower levels that turn out to be better than that level. To be consistently successful as a program, you need some of all three.
On paper, we’ve done well bringing some recruits who are at our level this year with high school recruit rankings and transfer. I don’t remember the last time we’ve had a developmental player turn out to be A10 level by the end of their career. Perhaps Matt Grace or Justin Harper. As far as point 1, that’s what we should be focusing on doing more. Especially now with NIL/house settlement money. We don’t need an entire roster of these kinds of players but even 1-2 of them can make a huge difference. This is where I hoped UR’s advantage of having money/rich donors can give us a leg up, but it hasn’t materialized much so far.
 
I think you overestimate our appetite to spend. P5's with football have Monopoly money. K State is paying some kid like $3M per year.
K State. I'm not talking Kansas. Kansas State.
 
On paper, we’ve done well bringing some recruits who are at our level this year with high school recruit rankings and transfer. I don’t remember the last time we’ve had a developmental player turn out to be A10 level by the end of their career. Perhaps Matt Grace or Justin Harper. As far as point 1, that’s what we should be focusing on doing more. Especially now with NIL/house settlement money. We don’t need an entire roster of these kinds of players but even 1-2 of them can make a huge difference. This is where I hoped UR’s advantage of having money/rich donors can give us a leg up, but it hasn’t materialized much so far.
What about Grant? He was a 2 star. Terry Allen? Nate? TJ should count too. He went from 8 ppg at Niagara to A-10 POY. Tyler? He averaged 4.6 ppg as a freshman. Bigs? He took his game to a whole new level after getting here. But, even leaving transfers out, u have to include Grant, T. Allen, Nate, and Tyler. And, if we include guards, the list gets a whole lot longer.
 
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never understood how Grant didn't get noticed by bigger schools. he was a very talented 6'10" kid.
Richmond was a perfect fit for him anyway ... including Mooney's system.
 
I don’t remember the last time we’ve had a developmental player turn out to be A10 level by the end of their career. Perhaps Matt Grace or Justin Harper
Harper had a Providence offer

 
What about Grant? He was a 2 star. Terry Allen? Nate? TJ should count too. He went from 8 ppg at Niagara to A-10 POY. Tyler? He averaged 4.6 ppg as a freshman. Bigs? He took his game to a whole new level after getting here. But, even leaving transfers out, u have to include Grant, T. Allen, Nate, and Tyler. And, if we include guards, the list gets a whole lot longer.
For me, developmental player is a 0 star with essentially no other offers. I don’t include transfers because they’ve proven themselves at the collegiate level. Jordan King was technically a walk-on at Sienna but when we got him he was a 15 PPPG scorer at ETSU. We’ve gotten a lot of great players that were getting only other mid major looks and have become excellent players here. To reference PhillySpiders post, I would add a 4th category which is developmental player that I define above. I think we’ve done well with #3 point in recruiting and somewhat with #2. I think we need more of #1 and #2 though to be consistently at the top of A10.
 
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