Just curious
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Serious question, when do the excuses stop?
We heard that this team was young. Personally I gave them the benefit of the doubt when Fore was out and we were losing to teams that we should never lose too.
The excuse was the roster was young. Some people recognized the excuse was just poor recruiting that led to transfers.
So what about next year?
We should have had a redshirt Sr, two Jr’s, a redshirt So (4 upperclass men) and a So starting and 3-4 guys off the bench who have been here for 2-4 years.
Now the redshirt Sr (Fore) is leaving, another redshirt Sr (Paul) is gone bc he never had the talent, the Jr starter (Buck) is off the team, and we are expecting a So (Cayo), who I like despite the fact that he has no jumper to start, and a true freshman, who none of us know if he can play at this level, to start.
So, will the excuse be that the team is young? Or will we finally stop making excuses and admit that the management of the roster is the issue?
We heard that this team was young. Personally I gave them the benefit of the doubt when Fore was out and we were losing to teams that we should never lose too.
The excuse was the roster was young. Some people recognized the excuse was just poor recruiting that led to transfers.
So what about next year?
We should have had a redshirt Sr, two Jr’s, a redshirt So (4 upperclass men) and a So starting and 3-4 guys off the bench who have been here for 2-4 years.
Now the redshirt Sr (Fore) is leaving, another redshirt Sr (Paul) is gone bc he never had the talent, the Jr starter (Buck) is off the team, and we are expecting a So (Cayo), who I like despite the fact that he has no jumper to start, and a true freshman, who none of us know if he can play at this level, to start.
So, will the excuse be that the team is young? Or will we finally stop making excuses and admit that the management of the roster is the issue?
Serious answer: excuses will always exist when the team performs poorly. They will stop when the team performs well.
Fan2011, that is a fair answer.
For the players I think the response is correct but the coach should still be held accountable.
The reality is the roster next year might be young and the players deserve that answer.
But should Mooney?
He is responsible for this roster he should not be able to use that excuse.
He has had ample time to build this roster. He’s had 7 years to build his team since KA and squad graduated. You can’t keep making the same excuses.
For the players I think the response is correct but the coach should still be held accountable.
The reality is the roster next year might be young and the players deserve that answer.
But should Mooney?
He is responsible for this roster he should not be able to use that excuse.
He has had ample time to build this roster. He’s had 7 years to build his team since KA and squad graduated. You can’t keep making the same excuses.
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Sure was convenient for Mooney that Buck had a sudden violation of AD policies, wasn't it? Can't imagine he would enjoyed explaining why two of his captains had chosen to play elsewhere next year. Phew, at least he won't have to worry about that anymore. After all, it was all Buck's fault on this one...
This team is young. They are only a JR, 3 So, and Fr starting. What should we expect?
I’m also sure we will hear how we also have 5 Fr on the roster. How can you expect to win with that kind of youth?
Quickly we forget that it should be a R-Sr, 2 Jr’s, a R-So, and a So starting.
Can we all at least admit that the roster issues are a result of the head coach? He’s had 13, going on 14 seasons, to figure it out?
At some point we need to stop making excuses and hold people accountable.
Is that Phi Beta Kappa enough for you?
I’m also sure we will hear how we also have 5 Fr on the roster. How can you expect to win with that kind of youth?
Quickly we forget that it should be a R-Sr, 2 Jr’s, a R-So, and a So starting.
Can we all at least admit that the roster issues are a result of the head coach? He’s had 13, going on 14 seasons, to figure it out?
At some point we need to stop making excuses and hold people accountable.
Is that Phi Beta Kappa enough for you?
Actually, Buck is not playing anywhere next year, right? He will have to sit out a year, so Mooney never would have had to explain why Buck would be playing anywhere next year. Seems like when one conspiracy theory gets shot down, you just make up another one. Getting kind of old.
Suddden violation? Did you forget about the 1 game suspension along with possibly a 2nd mess up before this latest one? Or, do you think our school also made that up to protect Mooney as well?
What exactly are you implying here? Seriously, what are saying happened? If things happened as it appears you are saying they did, wouldn't Buck be saying a lot more about it? Wouldn't we be hearing about lawsuits among other things? Or, maybe you think Buck is in on it to protect Mooney as well?
And, yes, it was all Buck's fault.
the same point has been made over and over -- the same question has been asked many times (of course the words may be different but the intent is the same). Obviously people are upset, people want a change, those on this board will not make the decision. Why do you put yourself and others through the repeated agony of these posts?
URFan1,
Don’t respond if you don’t like the question.
I’ve been on this board for 17 years and have far less posts than people on here for 2 years.
I ask the question bc it’s frustrating to hear the same excuses over and over. Guys like Ulla and the new VT talking about how this team is young.
I love and respect the guys on the court who work their tails off and play their hearts out. I don’t blame them, I feel for them.
I’m just tired of the same excuses for the coach. I’m tired of the media talking about how this team is young. It was, those were facts!! But the reason it so young was is because we have a coach who can’t recruit.
Am I supposed to stop caring? Am I supposed to stop making valid points bc you’ve heard it too many times?
Hate me all you want for expressing my opinion.
Don’t respond if you don’t like the question.
I’ve been on this board for 17 years and have far less posts than people on here for 2 years.
I ask the question bc it’s frustrating to hear the same excuses over and over. Guys like Ulla and the new VT talking about how this team is young.
I love and respect the guys on the court who work their tails off and play their hearts out. I don’t blame them, I feel for them.
I’m just tired of the same excuses for the coach. I’m tired of the media talking about how this team is young. It was, those were facts!! But the reason it so young was is because we have a coach who can’t recruit.
Am I supposed to stop caring? Am I supposed to stop making valid points bc you’ve heard it too many times?
Hate me all you want for expressing my opinion.
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Vol has reached his "23" tipping point it sounds like. I don't blame you . The narrative on Buck was sneakily leaked by Jim Miller on the radio. This program is becoming just about impossible to support. Thank god for Russ and football season.
And yes Vol, the excuse mongering from Mooney, and the local media's pandering to it are very hard to stomach. Add in the PQ -Mooney-Hardt triumvirate and better get used to it.
Just for the record I didn't respond to the question.
So are you entitled to an opinion and free to state it, but they (Ulla new VT, and any others) are not free to state their opinion? How is that right?
I know you have been here for a long time, and I have enjoyed your input. You seem like a good guy. Why would I hate you? Sorry you are so angry you have gotten to this point. You are not alone in your frustration. I just ask posters to be respectful of others.
So are you entitled to an opinion and free to state it, but they (Ulla new VT, and any others) are not free to state their opinion? How is that right?
I know you have been here for a long time, and I have enjoyed your input. You seem like a good guy. Why would I hate you? Sorry you are so angry you have gotten to this point. You are not alone in your frustration. I just ask posters to be respectful of others.
Love our coaches and players. We already have two three star recruits coming in this summer. The Spiders will be ok and this Spider will support them through thick and thin. It is not my decision to do otherwise. Roll Spide!
URFan1,
I’ve never said fans are not free of their opinion. I’ve never said they can’t state their opinions.
Personally, if I don’t agree with them I usually don’t respond. That’s not the case for some others and so be it (new VT that was not meant for you). I try to keep any snide remarks and smug comments to myself.
Maybe I’m just not smart enough. I mean I wasn’t phi beta kappa.
I guess in the words of our former university president I’m just ‘mush’.
I’ve never said fans are not free of their opinion. I’ve never said they can’t state their opinions.
Personally, if I don’t agree with them I usually don’t respond. That’s not the case for some others and so be it (new VT that was not meant for you). I try to keep any snide remarks and smug comments to myself.
Maybe I’m just not smart enough. I mean I wasn’t phi beta kappa.
I guess in the words of our former university president I’m just ‘mush’.
LOL, that is the Vol that I have seen for years. I've followed you long enough to know you are smart enough. Hang in there, that doesn't mean you cannot be frustrated.
Unfortunately I think the youth excuse is accepted by the uninitiated much of the time, it requires only looking at the roster and starting five and what year they are to qualify them as young.
Diehard fans are not confused, they know our youth is a function of recruiting failures. Some media (JOC, Andrew Wallace) are starting to speak truth to this. I don’t know that it flies in the media for another year.
It’s obviously aggravating.
Diehard fans are not confused, they know our youth is a function of recruiting failures. Some media (JOC, Andrew Wallace) are starting to speak truth to this. I don’t know that it flies in the media for another year.
It’s obviously aggravating.
Yes, it is nice to see Andrew Wallace's coverage of Richmond basketball, he seems to be a straight shooter. Yes, the last article by JOC I thought was pretty good too.
Looked at 2007-08 roster and wow, that was a deep roster that proves Mooney has
his recruiting moments. Now we need him to create another situation like that.
in retrospect it looks deep because we know what the players became.
that may be the same with next year's roster when you look at it down the road.
but at the time, that team had 3 guys averaging more than 5.5 ppg. and that deep team went 16-15.
And then our senior leader left to grad transfer and we kicked the A-10 ROY off the team. Oh wait, that is not what happened in 07-08, is it? No, we retained those guys and made a run.
The key Vol to supporting our program is not question anything to always look at least 2 years down the road and to NEVER and I mean EVER have any expectations.
Agree, this way you are never disappointed and every 10 years you will be happy.
not anything near what I was talking about, 97.
I'm saying back in 07-08, nobody here was talking about what great depth we had. we had 3 guys averaging over 5.5 ppg and we went 16-15. that's all.
What I'd like to see this coming season, and after 12-20 it shouldn't be hard, is for those folks who are dissatisfied to not renew season tickets, or not buy them. Hurt them at the box office, a lack of money coming in will resonate with the university.
Mooney and Bob Black are already hard at work dreaming up a book of excuses they can pull out next season. They know they will have to be more creative. We are not going to buy the team is young excuse again next year. This book will be more secretive and full of more fantasies than the next Harry Potter.
this astounds me.
I get you want Mooney fired. but you think reducing revenue will speed that up? and making it a worse environment for the players and students is the answer?
again ... if it was just firing a guy, that would be easy. it's firing a guy AND paying him millions to leave, and paying a new guy. I don't know where you think that money comes from. we aren't allowed to use the endowment for it. you all know that, right? are you ponying it up? I'm not. you want to take $4 mil out of out athletic budget for next year? are you asking PQ or some other big donor?
you guys call for CM to be fired, and blame everyone from the AD to the most generous donors we have to the "complacent" fans for not getting it done. yet you don't answer the question of how we pay the buyout.
start up a GoFundMe or something. if you want him gone so bad, you need to raise a lot of money.
No. 35 on this list could find it in his couch cushions if he wasn't pals.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/09/04/the-top-50-dealmakers-2/#5a81cae22837
So your response....just let it go?
I've never heard of the adage the quiet wheel gets the grease?
It is not the responsibility of fans to bail the school out of a very bad decision. It IS the responsibility of the school to fix a problem of it's own making.
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