Last year, Campbell's football team was stocked with BCS and G5 transfers. Campbell, like Albany, has the opportunity to be an outstanding FCS team. UR, not so much.
Do you approve of the move to the Patriot League?
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LOL!! Last year......we beat them 44-13. Their head coach last year resigned after never winning more than 6 games in 11 seasons.
Endowments:$ Billion
Football budget. ($million)
UR $3.3 ($7.32)
G’town $3.3 ($3.02)
Lehigh $1.75 ($6.63)
Colgate $1.2 ($8.19)
Bucknell $1.1 ($6.98)
Lafayette $1.05 ($7.77)
Holy Cross $1.04 ($7.59)
Fordham $1.0 ($8.50)
Football budget. ($million)
UR $3.3 ($7.32)
G’town $3.3 ($3.02)
Lehigh $1.75 ($6.63)
Colgate $1.2 ($8.19)
Bucknell $1.1 ($6.98)
Lafayette $1.05 ($7.77)
Holy Cross $1.04 ($7.59)
Fordham $1.0 ($8.50)
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With our recent records,playoff selections,financial strength,,UR
is the best looking girl at the debutante ball whose Daddy is rich.
We could have been a member of any FCS conference,except of course
the Ivy League whose membership is a closed society.
We have given the Patriot League an immeasurable uplift to its football conference.
In return,we negotiated things that we wanted and for which other Patriot league coaches should be thankful.
is the best looking girl at the debutante ball whose Daddy is rich.
We could have been a member of any FCS conference,except of course
the Ivy League whose membership is a closed society.
We have given the Patriot League an immeasurable uplift to its football conference.
In return,we negotiated things that we wanted and for which other Patriot league coaches should be thankful.
Not without us, Delaware and maybe Villanova and W&M, it doesn't.
Of course it does…
The 4 CAA bids for 2028 are JMU, UR, Delaware, and Nova…
You need to keep up😉
There are 3 FCS conferences, the MVFC, the Big Sky, and the CAA,that get most of the playoff bids. That won't change when UR leaves the CAA.
As long as Richmond gets ONE, what difference does it make?
Does being #5(out of eight members) in the Patriot League in terms of funding really indicate a UNWAIVERING COMMITMENT TO FOOTBALL???
Typical UR spin. I also question the Endowment figures as being low-balled with the run up in markets and the professional management of Spider Financial Corp or whatever it is called.
How do those football budgets compare to the current CAA?
William & Mary, $8,9
Delaware, $8,8
Stony Brook, $7,4
Elon, $6,8
Hampton, $4,1
N.C. A&T, $3,4
Just for lack of being able to find a better place to put it.
Here are the top 10 FCS to FBS transfers according to this site anyway. Interesting that the CAA had the top three and the article starts mentioning they will do a separate article about the QBs but mentions three that might be the starter for their FBS teams.
Too Holy Cross's credit they had two in the article if you count the QB they had move on, but the CAA had the other two QBS. CAA also had the top 3 at all other positions, one of which unfortunately is a former Spider recruit.
Here are the top 10 FCS to FBS transfers according to this site anyway. Interesting that the CAA had the top three and the article starts mentioning they will do a separate article about the QBs but mentions three that might be the starter for their FBS teams.
Too Holy Cross's credit they had two in the article if you count the QB they had move on, but the CAA had the other two QBS. CAA also had the top 3 at all other positions, one of which unfortunately is a former Spider recruit.
I would think that Delaware's and William & Mary's budgets reflect debt service for the bonds on the facility enhancements.
I believe our athletic endowment is counted in the overall university endowment. We are an expensive private university and hand out a full complement of 63 scholarships. I'd say we're spending some money on football.
Understandably not much substance in here...the CAA has great respect for UR and looks forward to having us for one more year, and Hardt and Huesman are class acts.
The Patriot League has only had 9 players drafted into the NFL since the league's inception in 1986. We have very little in common with the Patriot League football teams.
patriotleague.org
Bucknell's Julie'n Davenport Becomes First Patriot Leaguer Selected in NFL Draft Since 2011
CENTER VALLEY, Pa. – Bucknell offensive tackle Julie’n Davenport was selected in the fourth-round, 130th overall by the Houston Texans on Saturday during the 2017 NFL Draft in Philadelphia, Pa. Davenport is the first Patriot League student-athlete selected since 2011 and the first Bucknell...
patriotleague.org
In contrast, the CAA had 16 players in the NFL last season alone.
www.flofootball.com
16 Former CAA Football Players On NFL Rosters The 2023-2024 Season - FloFootball
The 2023 NFL season kicks off on Thursday night and there are 16 players from current CAA Football schools on the rosters of 14 different teams.
Pretty good showing this year of former Spiders on NFL Rosters. Kobie Turner with Rams, Tyrek Funderburk with Bucs and Malik Mustapha with 49s.
The FloSports article about the CAA stated those were players on the roster. The Patriot League article was only draftees. To your point, we don't know if any of the PL players actually made the roster.
Three of the nine PL players were from Holy Cross. One of those was the great Gordie Lockbaum, who had a starting position on both offense and defense- a two-way player for Holy Cross. IIRC, Gordie Lockbaum was a Heisman Trophy finalist. I saw that he did not make an NFL roster.
Gordie Lockbaum - Wikipedia
Many players come to Richmond believing someday they may play in the NFL.
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Players come to Richmond to play football while getting a quality education. Players go to Alabama believing someday they may play in the NFL.
Your point is well taken. I changed my comment to "Many". For a while there, we had a string of great players, including Brian Jordan (baseball), Tim Hightower and Sean Barber who had long careers in the NFL. They and their position replacements, and many others, honestly believed they were good enough to play in the NFL.
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I don't know if players come to Richmond believing they will end up in the NFL. BUT - I think many players believe there is a chance at NFL if they play well. BUT - what is more likely to happen I think with the move from the CAA to Patriot League, UR football will become a stepping stone for players to move up to better 1AA schools or even FBS schools. I don't think anyone goes to Patriot league schools even thinking of the NFL, unless they want to intern for an NFL team.
Add some context and note the first year the Pat League began giving our true FB scholarships.The Patriot League has only had 9 players drafted into the NFL since the league's inception in 1986. We have very little in common with the Patriot League football teams.
Bucknell's Julie'n Davenport Becomes First Patriot Leaguer Selected in NFL Draft Since 2011
CENTER VALLEY, Pa. – Bucknell offensive tackle Julie’n Davenport was selected in the fourth-round, 130th overall by the Houston Texans on Saturday during the 2017 NFL Draft in Philadelphia, Pa. Davenport is the first Patriot League student-athlete selected since 2011 and the first Bucknell...
"I don't think anyone goes to Patriot league schools even thinking of the NFL, unless they want to intern for an NFL team."
Probably true. I think some kids who choose Patriot League schools go there with the intention of someday owning an NFL franchise, not playing for one.
Probably true. I think some kids who choose Patriot League schools go there with the intention of someday owning an NFL franchise, not playing for one.
Academically and geographically (since we pull a large amount of our student base from the Northeast), the Patriot league is an ideal fit for UR in every aspect, except Basketball. But given our handling of men's soccer and track to add Lacrosse, and fact that major college basketball is heading in an unknown direction - I would have concerns that one day, in the not too distant future - UR ends up in the Patriot League. I just don't think we are serious enough from a basketball perspective to make that extra push that might be necessary in the next few years, if NIL continues to spiral out of control, and the bigger conferences somehow break off - I think it will be a serious conversation for UR to join this league in all sports. Not hoping to be right here, just a thought in the back of the mind that is a little scary. I think the school is sending a message from a football perspective to clearly step down, that just leaves basketball all along carrying the reason to stay in the A10.
No way, the CAA is a better fit for football. It is not even close. It has the reputation as one of the top 3 FCS conferences in the country. The CAA is the premier FCS league in the east. UR has been consistently in the top of the CAA. We have much more in common with Elon, W&M, Nova than we do with Lafayette, Georgetown or Bucknell. The quality of competition in the CAA is better and the quality of players is better. The CAA and UR places players in the NFL. The Patriot League does not. That will hurt recruiting. Once UR joins the Patriot League we will not have a single player make an NFL roster. In the PL we would never have gotten a Brian Jordan, Tim Hightower or a Kyle Lauletta.
Distraught. In MBB on the Board have gone from potential Big East to the Patriot League in a few short years.
The rule should be to play in the best conference the school can, that it can afford and where it can compete and win conference championships, while working towards a national championship and prominence in a given sport.
I agree the CAA is much better football conference than Patriot. And from a fan and athletic perspective - its a better fit. But looking at our administration who doesn't put sports first in these instances - that is why I say the Patriot league is a better fit because I believe it better aligns with what our administration would like UR to be. A good athletic program with like academic minded schools - preferably wealthy north-east base. And you get that in the Patriot league. You don't get that with the CAA schools of Delaware, Towson, Monmouth, Hampton, etc. You get some pretty good football schools. But I don't think our administration looks at that way. They are looking more from a educational and overall holistic perspective.
Put it this way - I bet if you told the administration at UR they had 2 options and had to pick one.
1) Be compared to Ivy League schools and be proclaimed the Ivy League or Princeton of the South.
2) Drop slightly in our current rankings as school (slightly like 5-10 spots). But in return - have a football team that makes the playoffs every year and in some years is competing for national titles. Have a basketball team making the NCAA tourney on average every other year. Have a baseball team at the top of the A10, and have a lacrosse team winning games in the NCAA tourney.
I think they pick 1. Hence - the reason they decided to move football to the Patriot league.
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