Current Standings, Remaining games, Tiebreakers

[urmite]

In case anyone doesn't know...

SEEDS
1. Dayton 15-0 (Davidson, @URI, GW)
2. Rhode Island 12-3 (SLU, Dayton, @UMass)
3. Richmond 11-4 (UMass, Davidson, @Duquesne) UR has tiebreaker over URI but not SBU
4. St. Bonaventure 10-5 (@LAS, St Joes, @SLU)
5. Duquesne 9-6 (GM, @VCU, Richmond) has tiebreaker over both SLU & Davidson
6. Davidson 9-6 (@Day, @Richmond, VCU) has tiebreaker over SLU
7. Saint Louis 9-6 (@URI, @GM, SBU)
8. Massachusetts 7-8 (@Richmond, @LAS, URI) has tiebreaker over VCU
9. VCU 7-8 (GW, Duquesne, @Davidson)
10. George Washington 6-9 (@VCU, Fordham, @Dayton)
11. George Mason 4-11 (@Duquesne, SLU, @Fordham)
12. La Salle 4-11 (SBU, UMass, @ST Joes)
13. Saint Joseph’s 1-14 (Fordham, @SBU, LAS)
14. Fordham 1-14Current Standings (@ST Joes, @GW, GM)

Not worried about the Wednesday tiebreakers, just mainly 2, 3, 4 vs 5, 6, 7

 

[Eight Legger]

If we end in a three-way tie with Bona and Rhody, all of us were 1-1 against the other two. Assuming Rhody loses to Dayton, I believe the tiebreaker then goes to record against the next team after the three of us, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. If the next team is actually a group of teams that is also tied, I assume it would be based on collective records against all of those teams, but I am not sure. A lot of moving pieces still.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

If we end in a three-way tie with Bona and Rhody, all of us were 1-1 against the other two. Assuming Rhody loses to Dayton, I believe the tiebreaker then goes to record against the next team after the three of us, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. If the next team is actually a group of teams that is also tied, I assume it would be based on collective records against all of those teams, but I am not sure. A lot of moving pieces still.

If we finish in a 3 way tie with those two teams (which means we lose 1, Rhody loses 2), St. Bonaventure would be the 2 seed.
The first tiebreaker would be record against Dayton, and URI loses that one because 0-2 is worse than 0-1.*
Then it reverts to a 2-way tiebreaker between us and SBU, which they obviously win.
2 - SBU
3 - UR
4 - URI

*while I understand the reasoning behind this tiebreaker - they are trying to reward a team that beats the champ, if any - in a case like this it actually penalizes the team that had to face them twice, and theoretically had the toughest path to the 13-5 record

 

[VT4700]

If we end in a three-way tie with Bona and Rhody, all of us were 1-1 against the other two. Assuming Rhody loses to Dayton, I believe the tiebreaker then goes to record against the next team after the three of us, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. If the next team is actually a group of teams that is also tied, I assume it would be based on collective records against all of those teams, but I am not sure. A lot of moving pieces still.

If we tie for 2nd with St Bona and Rhode Is, and Rhode Is loses to Dayton, we would each be 1-1 against each other so the next tie breaker is how we each did against the #1 team and down until only one team is left. Rhode Island would be eliminated right away with their 0-2 mark against Dayton, and then the next tie breaker would be how St Bona and we did against the 5th place team, then 6th place if necessary and so on.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

If we tie for 2nd with St Bona and Rhode Is, and Rhode Is loses to Dayton, we would each be 1-1 against each other so the next tie breaker is how we each did against the #1 team and down until only one team is left. Rhode Island would be eliminated right away with their 0-2 mark against Dayton, and then the next tie breaker would be how St Bona and we did against the 5th place team, then 6th place if necessary and so on.

Wrong.

 

[VT4700]

The wording is confusing. It says use highest winning percentage against top team and if necessary on down until one team gains an advantage. But, it does not say anything about eliminating a team. So, not sure if Rhode Island would be eliminated in the 3 way tie example because it just says until one team gains an advantage. Using the records against Dayton, 0-1 for us and St Bona is counted as being better than 0-2 for Rhode Island, but since 1 team did not gain the advantage here, would Rhode Island still be alive when the tie breaker goes to record against 5th place team? Hard to tell the way it is worded.

 

[VT4700]

https://atlantic10.com/news/2015/2/21/209901106.aspx

 

[urmite]

https://atlantic10.com/news/2015/2/21/209901106.aspx

0-2 URI likely results in 3 team item 2. Then 2 team item 1. SBU 1-0.

 

[VT4700]

0-2 URI likely results in 3 team item 2. Then 2 team item 1. SBU 1-0.

The rules do not say that in a 3 team tie breaker. It only says to go to 2 team tie breaker if 2 teams remain tied after the tied teams head to head. In this example, 3 teams are still tied since we are all 1-1 against each other. Then, it goes to winning % against top team and on down if necessary. Notice here, it does not say anything about going to a 2 team tie breaker if one team gets eliminated.

 

[urmite]

The rules do not say that in a 3 team tie breaker. It only says to go to 2 team tie breaker if 2 teams remain tied after the tied teams head to head. In this example, 3 teams are still tied since we are all 1-1 against each other. Then, it goes to winning % against top team and on down if necessary. Notice here, it does not say anything about going to a 2 team tie breaker if one team gets eliminated.

So you are saying 3 team item 2 says above and doesn’t say below.
I still think it has been decided that way by the A-10 a couple of times in the past.

Let’s just go 14-4 so we won’t have to figure it out.