2023–24 NET Ratings
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We can agree on a cap for margin credit, but I don't agree with your other proposals. I think allowing every league champion to earn a bid is part of what makes March Madness fun. I also don't agree that a 20 win season should automatically qualify some leagues to a bid but not others. We need to stop using terms like power 5 or mid-major, etc. If your league on a given year has played their way to a top 5 league, great. No extra credit for that, and no guarantee you are always a top 5 league.
lol, 20 wins. Syracuse would play 13 buy games at the Carrier Dome - likely every one of them against a team 300+ in ratings, win them all, then go 7-11 in ACC, beating the dregs of the league (or 6-12 with plans to win an outbracket ACC tourney game. Think about the stakes of that 6-12 vs 3-15 Tuesday matchup - March Madness at its finest!)
So would St. John's, G. Tech, Minnesota and every other team that doesn't perform regularly bc their program hasn't adapted. No one would ever schedule the A10 OOC. Like ever.
So would St. John's, G. Tech, Minnesota and every other team that doesn't perform regularly bc their program hasn't adapted. No one would ever schedule the A10 OOC. Like ever.
A 20-13 P6 team on the bubble is always more deserving than any champ from a lot of those leagues. Another thing I’d like to see is add an extra weekend between the conference title games and the first round of the tournament and have all the bubble teams play each other for the final few bids. So basically expand the first 4.
So start the tournament 12 days after the conference tournaments end (13 days for most, 20 days for smaller conferences)?
This is also a terrible idea.
EDIT - if you want to expand, everything has to be played on that Tuesday/Weds where the current outbracket games are played. There has been talk of having a first 4 in each region - which is actually a decent idea in my opinion - but only if they kept those same days of playing those games. The b2b weekends of college hoops is so exciting, they have zero reason to change those. They own the sports landscape with brackets coming out, everyone making picks, games all day for 4 days in a row...it's perfect.
This is also a terrible idea.
EDIT - if you want to expand, everything has to be played on that Tuesday/Weds where the current outbracket games are played. There has been talk of having a first 4 in each region - which is actually a decent idea in my opinion - but only if they kept those same days of playing those games. The b2b weekends of college hoops is so exciting, they have zero reason to change those. They own the sports landscape with brackets coming out, everyone making picks, games all day for 4 days in a row...it's perfect.
My solution to that is have more games like the acc sec challenge and have multiple of those a year so these teams can’t just schedule a bunch of buy games. Imagine how cool that could be. Tv networks would eat that up.
at 20 wins, you'd have 90% of every big conference get in. They all would schedule terribly OOC bc there would be zero incentive to play anyone good, ever. Just play the worst 13 teams you can OOC and then win 7 games in league + league tournament.
Which is why I’m saying put a cap on those kind of games and schedule more cross conference challenge type of games. Even do something like the acc A10 challenge, that would be awesome.
We can agree to disagree. This school has made its name being the underdog, the Giant Killers.
Teel does not seem to think JMU will make it.
JMU has an impressive record and a win over Michigan State and they may not make the dance with a 28-3 record. They have a Net ranking of 52. No Sun Belt team has received an at-large bid since 28-5 Middle Tennessee State in 2013...
"Richmond (22-7, 14-2 Atlantic 10) has not lost to anyone outside the NET’s top 150, and if the Spiders defeat either Saint Joseph’s or George Mason this week, they will earn their first A-10 regular-season title....
The most recent A-10 team to at least share the regular-season title and not make the NCAA tournament was Massachusetts in 2007....
But the Spiders are 70th on the NET, and since the NET’s 2018 inception, only three teams ranked in the 70s received an at-large bid..."
Virginia (21-9, 12-7) need only defeat Georgia Tech at home Saturday to secure a top-four seed and double-bye in the ACC tournament, but scoring fewer than 50 points four times in the last five games and losing seven times this season by at least 16 points has imperiled the Cavaliers’ chances....
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JMU has an impressive record and a win over Michigan State and they may not make the dance with a 28-3 record. They have a Net ranking of 52. No Sun Belt team has received an at-large bid since 28-5 Middle Tennessee State in 2013...
Spiders on a roll
He thinks our humble Spiders may have a better shot..."Richmond (22-7, 14-2 Atlantic 10) has not lost to anyone outside the NET’s top 150, and if the Spiders defeat either Saint Joseph’s or George Mason this week, they will earn their first A-10 regular-season title....
The most recent A-10 team to at least share the regular-season title and not make the NCAA tournament was Massachusetts in 2007....
But the Spiders are 70th on the NET, and since the NET’s 2018 inception, only three teams ranked in the 70s received an at-large bid..."
Eye test not kind to UVa
Beyond North Carolina, Duke and Clemson, no ACC team should feel secure about its Selection Sunday prospects....Virginia (21-9, 12-7) need only defeat Georgia Tech at home Saturday to secure a top-four seed and double-bye in the ACC tournament, but scoring fewer than 50 points four times in the last five games and losing seven times this season by at least 16 points has imperiled the Cavaliers’ chances....
Teel: Breaking down at-large prospects for Richmond, JMU and Virginia
Long before all precincts have been counted, Super Tuesday’s results will be clear. Not so as college basketball dips inside of two weeks until Selection Sunday.
My solution is to keep all the autobids, and require a greater than .500 regular season conference record to be eligible for an at large…
Just don’t think you can do that because I think we’ve had teams finish with .500 or less records in their power 5 league and make the final 4/win it all. I believe Uconn may have been under .500 in the big east the year they won it with Kenna walker.
One basic principle is that you probably should have at least a .500 record in conference to qualify. If the argument is tough conferences deserve more consideration that seems fine, but it also means you should at least be above the line against your equal competition.
Queens picked up a victory tonight, we should see a bounce from that. /s
No, they were .500 in BE conference (9-9) and they also won the auto bid so their qualification as an at large under a hypothetical rule would not have even applied. Plus I think it should be .500 in reg season and in league tourney combined. Uconn was well over if u add in BE tourney. They won like 4-5 games in a row.
Uconn isn't the exception but u can usually always find one. Fact is the teams under .500 in league play have historically performed poorly in NCAA.
It would be a great rule, thus we'll never see it.
Thanks for joining the choir. This has been discussed for a long time now on this board. Its the dumbest system ever invented. And its two fold because it not only ranks teams stupidly but then uses those ridiculous rankings to determine quality Quad wins.
Totally agree. A horrible idea but wont be surprised if the money hungry ncaa lets it happen.
UR: 70 -> 69 (Drunk John Hardt will be thrilled)
Bonnie 68 -> 75 after their choke session last night which I am bummed about. Would have much rather played Bonnie over Mass or VCU in the semis.
Bonnie 68 -> 75 after their choke session last night which I am bummed about. Would have much rather played Bonnie over Mass or VCU in the semis.
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Agree. Mass and VCU the only 2 conf teams we lost to, and I’d like to think those 2 games are anomalies, and we were in temporary funks at that period of the season. Seems we’ve corrected that ship. Of those two, I’d rather play Mass as I just think VCU presents a tougher matchup. On the other hand, a win over VCU gives more satisfaction. Once the tournament begins, you have to run through the teams playing best basketball - so we just need to take care of business, play like we’ve been playing, and win tournament. Then no bull$hit NET hanging over our neck.
Buffalo and VMI seasons end with a whimper. 4 wins each. My god.
UNI beats Belmont to move to the MVC semis with a chance to get to 20 wins. They take on (likely in) Indiana St. in the semis. Ugh. Drake won on the other side of that bracket.
Can someone explain how Drake is highly regarded? Best win OOC is Nevada, no other notable OOC wins at all, got absolutely steamrolled OOC by a SF Austin team that has about 13 losses and went 16-4 in the MVC including a loss to 15-17 Illinois St and another to 17-16 Missouri St. Split with Indiana St. How is that a NET of 48? Talk about scheduling - they played exactly ZERO P6 teams this season!!!
Wichita St. up two at the half on Tulane.
UNI beats Belmont to move to the MVC semis with a chance to get to 20 wins. They take on (likely in) Indiana St. in the semis. Ugh. Drake won on the other side of that bracket.
Can someone explain how Drake is highly regarded? Best win OOC is Nevada, no other notable OOC wins at all, got absolutely steamrolled OOC by a SF Austin team that has about 13 losses and went 16-4 in the MVC including a loss to 15-17 Illinois St and another to 17-16 Missouri St. Split with Indiana St. How is that a NET of 48? Talk about scheduling - they played exactly ZERO P6 teams this season!!!
Wichita St. up two at the half on Tulane.
most scores don't (except final scores.)
but yeah, they are playing defense at same pace as first half, but playing offense at 1/2 the output.
but yeah, they are playing defense at same pace as first half, but playing offense at 1/2 the output.
Well, guess we can stop fretting over our NET now
Don’t be absurd, a guard from Wagner would never work here…
That was a joke.
Blake Francis and Delonnie Hunt are guards from Wagner…
So guards from Wagner can succeed here…
Absolutely. Has been a good pipeline for us. Keep ‘em coming to the home of the spider.
