Coronavirus Impact on NCAA Tourney - No Fans Allowed

[fatherspider]

You're missing the point. China literally shut down entire cities to stop this thing from moving. We did not and have not. There comes a point of no return as far as containing it, and we are pretty close to missing the boat on that one. You can't on one hand say "Look at China, it didn't really spread too much there" and then on the other suggest that we are overreacting to it here. They stopped it from spreading BY "overreacting." That's the point.

What would make you think that the extremes we are going through are an over reaction? What if it becomes very apparent that 99.99% of the cases are Mild, and that deaths caused by this are almost entire to patients who already had life threatening illnesses? Meaning emphysema, lung disorders, etc. who could have also died of the flu or a similar disease like pneumonia. (Not saying this is fact, but a hypothetical)

When the Swine flu hit none of these extreme precautions were put in place because I have to believe that BO and government felt that completely containing that virus was irrational to attempt and it wasnt worth the drastic disruption of life. That illness was far scarier than this one because children got it at a far higher rare than adults and of course children are and should be our greatest treasures.

These politicians of today decided that trying to completely contain this, which is still pretty impossible, was worth the disruption of life and the panic that ensues.

 

[32counter]

DaddySpider is way,way,way,way over his head on this subject unless he has an NIH/CDC infectious disease background.Maybe he was a student of Dr Fauci at Georgetown.Wonder if he even ever dissected a frog drenched in famaldohide while in high school.He should stick to belly aching about the intricacies of the NET,a topic in which he is so well versed in terms of belly aching.

 

[fatherspider]

DaddySpider is way,way,way,way over his head on this subject unless he has an NIH/CDC infectious disease background.Maybe he was a student of Dr Fauci at Georgetown.Wonder if he even ever dissected a frog drenched in famaldohide while in high school.He should stick to belly aching about the intricacies of the NET,a topic in which he is so well versed in terms of belly aching.

It was a hypothetical question... even though many statistics do point in that direction. Ive sent the link already. And nothing I said had anything to do with CDC or where they believe this may lead.
And by the way my mom has been an epidemiologist for 40 years, who was one of the first in the field and survived the horror of the AIDS pandemic. You wouldn't like her opinion on this and how its being handled.
And why cant anyone on here have an opinion other than the norm? Is group think the only mentality they profess on colleges now?
Its a reasonable question... how about answering it instead of making personal attacks. Or do you think that no matter what the circumstances are, there could never be an over reaction when trying to handle a pandemic? That would be ok too

 

[Eight Legger]

What frustrates me is to hear people use past examples as reasons why we shouldn't be concerned about something new. As if by virtue of "surviving" H1N1 (though some didn't) or "surviving" ebola, it's a guarantee that the next thing will go the same way. We have no idea how this will go. It's irresponsible to cite any past examples of some completely different viruses to predict how this one will act.

Maybe it will act the same way in the end, or maybe it will kill half a million people if we don't take it more seriously. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else. But when the people whose livelihood it is to be as knowledgeable as possible about these things suggest this one could be different, I'm listening, and we all should.

 

[fatherspider]

What frustrates me is to hear people use past examples as reasons why we shouldn't be concerned about something new. As if by virtue of "surviving" H1N1 (though some didn't) or "surviving" ebola, it's a guarantee that the next thing will go the same way. We have no idea how this will go. It's irresponsible to cite any past examples of some completely different viruses to predict how this one will act.

Maybe it will act the same way in the end, or maybe it will kill half a million people if we don't take it more seriously. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else. But when the people whose livelihood it is to be as knowledgeable as possible about these things suggest this one could be different, I'm listening, and we all should.

So we are going to do this same thing every time a health threat comes along?

And if this one turns out to be something that many or most consider to be over the top and a very harmful over reaction, how do you think the public will feel when they are told to do it again? And maybe the next time will be the real deal.

As I said my mom was an epidemiologist for 40 years. She thinks the CDC's measures are too extreme and an over reaction. Her reasoning is that epidemiologists are trained for 100% success in a hospital setting and they have taken that extreme attitude to this situation but it is impossible and shouldn't even be attempted. Of course you don't have to believe me or her.

 

[plydogg]

God I miss basketball.

 

[gospidersgo]

I'd wager that most of us on here are not infectious disease doctors or specialists. So what it's largely turned into is having our own opinion and then finding an expert online or on TV or a country's handling of the situation that validates our opinion.

I'm very worried about the sickness, especially for my older relatives. But I'm actually becoming even more worried about our country going forward.

We're at each other's throats over something none of us saw coming a few months ago and none of us know where it will be a few months from now. For either "side" to pretend to know the correct answer to this whole thing is disingenuous.

Here's to hoping and praying this terrible situation can somehow unify us rather than tear us further apart.

 

[urfan1]

move this discussion to the off topic board

 

[Eight Legger]

So we are going to do this same thing every time a health threat comes along?

And if this one turns out to be something that many or most consider to be over the top and a very harmful over reaction, how do you think the public will feel when they are told to do it again? And maybe the next time will be the real deal.

As I said my mom was an epidemiologist for 40 years. She thinks the CDC's measures are too extreme and an over reaction. Her reasoning is that epidemiologists are trained for 100% success in a hospital setting and they have taken that extreme attitude to this situation but it is impossible and shouldn't even be attempted. Of course you don't have to believe me or her.

No, we're going to do it every time a fast-spreading pandemic-inducing virus comes along with the potential to overwhelm our healthcare system and kill a bunch of people. So far that's been once in our lifetimes.

Your mom isn't in charge of public health for the nation, and the people who are all suggest a very different course of action from the one you are suggesting. I'm sure medical professionals are exceedingly equipped to handle things in the hospitals -- as long as those hospitals are not overwhelmed with thousands of patients needing care all at once. That is the primary reason for concern here.

My hope would be that people would be educated enough to trust that the scientists and doctors whose job it is to analyze and evaluate this like this are doing so with everyone's best interests in mind at all times.

 

[fatherspider]

No, we're going to do it every time a fast-spreading pandemic-inducing virus comes along with the potential to overwhelm our healthcare system and kill a bunch of people. So far that's been once in our lifetimes.

Your mom isn't in charge of public health for the nation, and the people who are all suggest a very different course of action from the one you are suggesting. I'm sure medical professionals are exceedingly equipped to handle things in the hospitals -- as long as those hospitals are not overwhelmed with thousands of patients needing care all at once. That is the primary reason for concern here.

My hope would be that people would be educated enough to trust that the scientists and doctors whose job it is to analyze and evaluate this like this are doing so with everyone's best interests in mind at all times.

Wrong... only the panicked, over the top reaction has happened in our lifetime. We have lived through many many pandemics before. Last one in 2009. That virus was “unknown” as well but smart people in charge knew enough to realize that closing down life and causing complete panic in the world over every threat would not be a good precedent. Trying to prevent death at all costs is irrational and Having society live in absolute fear of death will create a very unhappy world for the future. Thats my opinion. Call me crazy!!!

 

[URWilk110]

I try to stay out of discussions like this. But Father, do you think what is happening in Italy is not real - they have to choose whose life to save and who not to treat? Do you think that the authorities - including the federal gov't, CDC, etc - who are warning that we could end up like Italy if we don't take preventive actions are lying? People like you who think it is an over-reaction are going to make this thing worse and cause the interruption of normal life to last longer.

And I am personally more worried about the economic consequences of this whole thing. But the quicker we all adhere to the advice and slow this thing down, the quicker we can all get back to our normal lives and the economy will start to recover.

 

[plydogg]

This thread reminds me. My senior year at UR I took my science requirement and it was called “Emerging Infectious Disease” and wow that would have been a wild class to be in right now

 

[spider fan]

This thread reminds me. My senior year at UR I took my science requirement and it was called “Emerging Infectious Disease” and wow that would have been a wild class to be in right now

Don't know your age? - but today it would be "online" or if you are old enough and there was no "online" you would be on vacation..................... but understand what you mean about the class being applicable to the times..................

 

[plydogg]

Don't know your age? - but today it would be "online" or if you are old enough and there was no "online" you would be on vacation..................... but understand what you mean about the class being applicable to the times..................

That was final semester for my senior year (so January-April 2016). Seems so weird to think I’m coming up on 4 years since graduation

 

[Ferrum Spider]

That was final semester for my senior year (so January-April 2016). Seems so weird to think I’m coming up on 4 years since graduation

It goes faster than you think. Seems like yesterday I was still in college. I graduated in 2009....

 

[SpiderRick]

I am very concerned about the economic effect on the world, and especially our country. Many, many thousands of small businesses will close their doors permanently. Millions of people who live paycheck to paycheck will be in utter panic about paying their rent and putting food on the table for their families. And how many trillions of dollars have been lost in the stock market freefall, people's lifetime savings and retirement going straight down the toilet. Unemployment, which is at record lows, will soar (here comes the blame Trump crowd at election time), further straining toe government's ability to recover. How do we find a balance between disease fighting and saving our economy? I feel that the economic impact will far outpace the coronavirus impact.....I hope I'm right, I would hate for it to be the other way around.

 

[Eight Legger]

We can and will recover from an economic issue. You can't recover from anything if you're dead.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

I try to stay out of discussions like this. But Father, do you think what is happening in Italy is not real - they have to choose whose life to save and who not to treat? Do you think that the authorities - including the federal gov't, CDC, etc - who are warning that we could end up like Italy if we don't take preventive actions are lying? People like you who think it is an over-reaction are going to make this thing worse and cause the interruption of normal life to last longer.

And I am personally more worried about the economic consequences of this whole thing. But the quicker we all adhere to the advice and slow this thing down, the quicker we can all get back to our normal lives and the economy will start to recover.

I replied to your post in the Off Topic forum in an attempt to respect the mods' wishes.

 

[urfan1]

Thank you CB -- move this to the off topic board, even though posters have been more civil it is time to lock this and move it to the off topic or shut it down