8-23!!

[GKiller]

You said just days ago that you hope we lose games. Not sure you’re really qualified to chime in here. Or ever

Ply, not sure about 712 & I've disagreed w him on things b4 but rooting against doesn't make you not a fan. There are sometimes reasons such as long term view. Now me I haven't been able to do it, I'm still rooting for top 4 and ncaa and that gives us best chance.

But I get what 712 is saying. The mindset with tanking is short term pain for long term gain. If u r a nfl nba mb etc. team and there is a surefire team changer at a high pick do u want your team to win essentially meaningless games at end of season? No. Conceptually same thing here just relates to a coach. and not all the different from the many UR fans who have said they r done with giving to school or going to games until changes r made.

Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment...however if u told me 100% guaranteed we are not going to NCAA this year I would be right there too. No NCAA makes what needs to be done acutely obvious but when u r dealing with weak leadership u never know it has to be even more obvious.

 

[712_VT]

That’s been my point exactly. I don’t like rooting against these guys but I know that another 18-14 season and maybe winning a game in the nit won’t get mooney fired. We’re more than likely not going to the ncaas this year so if we’re not doing that then I don’t want to win meaningless games that will just keep mooney here.

 

[GKiller]

Meaning they really feast on turnovers and pressuring guards, but that is usually our strength - having small, quick guards who can break pressure and play 40 minutes, as I expect Gilyard will do.

Usually games are close - would have to go back and look, but yes, we lose a lot, but don't think we get blown out much against them.

Our losses are usually not close. I don't even have to look. Tho I'm surprised SF Spidur or Mite haven't replied yet. but I bet most are by double digits. These aren't games that are coming down to end. Of course there are some, in wins and losses, out of 20 losses how can there not be close ones. But overall to think we're in majority of these games or don't suffer blowouts, well I guess I could be imagining things and will admit if I'm wrong but I question your recollections. 7-20 is about as bad as you can be but we're not even doing that well in the 20.

IF we supposedly match up well with VCU....AND we're losing these 20 games but non competitive margins...wow Mooney is even worse.

 

[Eight Legger]

In recent years, we normally either beat vcu at home or lose in a very close game. At Costco, though, we're not so good. We're 4-4 against them at home in our last 8 games there and have outscored them by a total of 10 points in those eight games. Our average win is by 9 points in those games, average loss by 6.

In reverse chronological order:

W 77-59
L 69-66
W 77-76
L 84-73
L 94-89
W 67-63
L 56-50
W 86-74

 

[GKiller]

In recent years, we normally either beat vcu at home or lose in a very close game. At Costco, though, we're not so good. We're 4-4 against them at home in our last 8 games there and have outscored them by a total of 10 points in those eight games.

In reverse chronological order:

W 77-59
L 69-66
W 77-76
L 84-73
L 94-89
W 67-63
L 56-50
W 86-74

so we match up well with them...but only at home and only in very recent years. Should go on Moon's bio!

 

[SFspidur]

Yeah, we do much better against them at home.

Overall under Mooney, we're 5–6 against them at home, 2–11 at Costco, and 0–3 in A-10 tournament play. 9 of our 11 losses at Siegel have been by double digits, with 5 of them being 18+ margin.

 

[SFspidur]

But losing can get you a better coach...I absolutely understand the perspective.

I still can't get myself to root for the Spiders to lose, but honestly, I'm not super disappointed when they do at this point.

 

[spiderman]

if we lose and replace coaches, so be it. but I can't understand any Spider fan rooting to lose. you either care about the team and the players or you don't, imo. why the heck watch and spend time discussing a team you want to lose?

never mind. don't answer. I know the answers. I just can't understand fans sometimes.

 

[712_VT]

I wouldn’t really say I root for them to lose it’s more of just not caring at all and if they do lose I look at it as one more loss leading to a change. Been to several games and haven’t rooted for any particular team, I just go as a fan of basketball and because it’s something to do. Same reason why a lot of the other bodies in the robins center show up, not to help the team win but just to to have a night out with the family and kids. That’s the difference between us and vcu fans, their fans go to games with a purpose. I will say I’ll pull for UR to win tomorrow mainly just because I don’t like vcu.

 

[Eight Legger]

I don't like us to lose either, S-man, but the logic is simple: In 17 years, we've already seen the very best Mooney can possibly do here. And unfortunately, it's been 11 years since we've even seen that.

So unless you think we're suddenly going to buck 11 years of history and start dominating the A10 and going to the tourney every year, it's logical for some people to want a new coach with unknown potential to have a chance. Beating VCU, and anyone else, is great. But this far into a coaching tenure, most of us understand that Mooney's way is not the path to sustainable success. And the thought is that the administration will only recognize that with obvious failure -- such as not making the NCAAs with a bunch of fifth and sixth year seniors.

 

[fatherspider]

I will say vcu can’t score this year but they play excellent defense so that will keep them in this game. They probably go off offensively against us though. Only way we win this is if we shoot the lights out from 3 and get up big on them early. We won’t though because our guys are scared of vcu. They are a reflection of their coach in that sense because mooney is definitely scared of vcu.

Getting up big early at home? The opposite is the trend.

 

[bullfrog91]

That’s been my point exactly. I don’t like rooting against these guys but I know that another 18-14 season and maybe winning a game in the nit won’t get mooney fired. We’re more than likely not going to the ncaas this year so if we’re not doing that then I don’t want to win meaningless games that will just keep mooney here.

18-14 with 'the best team ever' SHOULD get him fired!!!

 

[GKiller]

Yeah, we do much better against them at home.

Overall under Mooney, we're 5–6 against them at home, 2–11 at Costco, and 0–3 in A-10 tournament play. 9 of our 11 losses at Siegel have been by double digits, with 5 of them being 18+ margin.

thx SF aligns w basically what I thought tho there have even been a couple blowouts Vcu put on us of those 6 at home too.

overall they beat us by double digits a lot. I’m not sure if we match up well w vcu but I do know the results don’t reflect that.

 

[8legs1dream]

NARRATIVE SHIFT:

We match up great with VCU and they never blow us out! Extend Mooney!

 

[712_VT]

18-14 with 'the best team ever' SHOULD get him fired!!!

The problem though is that he won’t be fired with that record. We do that this year and he’s back.

 

[SFspidur]

They've only beaten us by double digits at the RC twice in Mooney's tenure...2006 (his second season) and 2017.

 

[GKiller]

here’s another narrative that can change. Mooney has been telling us for 2 years how our experience & continuity is big advantage. Experience good. But if we lose...youth is great.

 

[97spiderfan]

if we lose and replace coaches, so be it. but I can't understand any Spider fan rooting to lose. you either care about the team and the players or you don't, imo. why the heck watch and spend time discussing a team you want to lose?

never mind. don't answer. I know the answers. I just can't understand fans sometimes.

Any fan of an NFL team who has been eliminated from the playoffs if probably at best ambivalent if they win or lose games after they have been eliminated. You get a better draft pick if you lose and a chance to be better the following years.

Mooney always win just enough to stay around and be mediocre next year. Very much like WFT, they are solidly mediocre almost every year. Often not crappy enough to get a Top 5, program changing draft pick, but also not good enough to go to the playoffs and when they do make the playoffs they are one and done and never seen as a legitimate title contender. Much like WFT fans under Snyder, I think many Spider fans feel that same way under Mooney. It's never gonna get better until they both are gone, but neither are ever leaving.

 

[SpiderK]

Mooney, just give me 8-20

 

[Long Island Spiders]

if we lose and replace coaches, so be it. but I can't understand any Spider fan rooting to lose. you either care about the team and the players or you don't, imo. why the heck watch and spend time discussing a team you want to lose?

never mind. don't answer. I know the answers. I just can't understand fans sometimes.

Agreed, glad there are some real fans on this board still. This isn’t the NFL or NBA where losing actually results in a higher draft pick, nor are we paying the players.
If you find yourself cheering against the team, then do yourself and all of us a favor and stop watching. You don’t deserve to be a fan of this team.

 

[Eight Legger]

We do actually pay the players.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

We do actually pay the players.

Make sure you let the IRS know as they haven’t been filing their taxes properly for years. They should have been reporting income apparently!

 

[Spiders4ever]

Make sure you let the IRS know as they haven’t been filing their taxes properly for years. They should have been reporting income apparently!

 

[SFspidur]

Make sure you let the IRS know as they haven’t been filing their taxes properly for years. They should have been reporting income apparently!

I mean, yes? Parts of it like room and board are taxable.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

This one is obvious guys. If you’re cheering against the team then you’re not a fan and shouldn’t watch today. Let me know if you need some suggestions for other activities and/or hobbies.

 

[bullfrog91]

This one is obvious guys. If you’re cheering against the team then you’re not a fan and shouldn’t watch today. Let me know if you need some suggestions for other activities and/or hobbies.

What are your suggestions for fans who have been reduced to indifference?

 

[Eight Legger]

Make sure you let the IRS know as they haven’t been filing their taxes properly for years. They should have been reporting income apparently!

https://richmond.com/sports/college/schools/james-madison/as-jmu-and-w-m-are-establishing-cost-of-attendance-has-become-the-new-ante/article_1c9a7488-8ffa-5f62-81c4-27017de0c9eb.html#:~:text=UR%20currently%20offers%20men's%20and,of%20attendance%20figure%20is%20%241%2C300.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

What are your suggestions for fans who have been reduced to indifference?

That one is harder. I can understand that perspective but to actively cheer against the team as people keep suggesting on here makes no sense.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

https://richmond.com/sports/college/schools/james-madison/as-jmu-and-w-m-are-establishing-cost-of-attendance-has-become-the-new-ante/article_1c9a7488-8ffa-5f62-81c4-27017de0c9eb.html#:~:text=UR%20currently%20offers%20men's%20and,of%20attendance%20figure%20is%20%241%2C300.

Interesting, I didn’t know this even existed.
But hard to argue that a housing and COA stipends are akin to getting paid to play. I still argue that fans behavior and approach towards professional players versus college students should be different — it’s one of the reasons I prefer college sports!

 

[urmite]

Interesting, I didn’t know this even existed.
But hard to argue that a housing and COA stipends are akin to getting paid to play. I still argue that fans behavior and approach towards professional players versus college students should be different — it’s one of the reasons I prefer college sports!

Well, $50,000 COA at LSU might be…

 

[Long Island Spiders]

Well, $50,000 COA at LSU might be…

Ok that’s a little different, ha! But I think we know there are four college football teams that are essentially pro teams.

 

[MrTbone]

I think we should put this “real fan” argument to rest. Some fans boo when things aren’t going a team’s way, others call for the head of a coach, and some happily cheer no matter how bad the product gets. They’re all still fans.

 

[plydogg]

I think we should put this “real fan” argument to rest. Some fans boo when things aren’t going a team’s way, others call for the head of a coach, and some happily cheer no matter how bad the product gets. They’re all still fans.

If you’re rooting for the other team you’re not a fan lol. It’s as easy as that

 

[Eight Legger]

I've rooted for my baseball team to lose and get the #1 pick when it was clear they weren't good enough to do anything else. It worked and now they are better. What a terrible fan I am.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

If you’re rooting for the other team you’re not a fan lol. It’s as easy as that

Yeah exactly. I wish i didn’t have to keep saying it but it’s outrageous we have people suggesting they would rather the team lose.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

I've rooted for my baseball team to lose and get the #1 pick when it was clear they weren't good enough to do anything else. It worked and now they are better. What a terrible fan I am.

I already made this point about pros being different from college athletics, but this isn’t professional sports and there is no draft pick. In fact, losing definitely hurts recruiting so your post makes no sense (once again).

 

[Spider B]

Long Island and Ply, thanks for letting us all know who is allowed to call themselves a fan and who isn't. It's almost up there with the Bob Black comment about UR finding new fans

 

[MrTbone]

If you’re rooting for the other team you’re not a fan lol. It’s as easy as that

You have massively oversimplified your analysis but I understand your argument. I suspect there are many fans of teams out there who view their interest in change or long term success to be more fan-worthy than accepting a certain state of affairs.

of note, I’m not taking a particular position, I just think this kind of talk is tedious.

 

[SFspidur]

Think of it as a coaching draft…our performance now helps determine whether we get a pick or no pick at all.

 

[gospidersgo]

I've wanted Mooney gone for many years now but still can't seem to make myself root for us to lose, even though I fully realize it would (should) speed his departure.

At the same time, I know there are serious spider fans who do root for losses, but it's all about wanting long term success and believing that's the best way to achieve it.

With all that said, I think rooting for VCU is inexcusable, so for tonight let's all pull for a Spider win.