8-23!!
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I'm not comparing academics. couldn't care less. this is a basketball board and we lost.
It is a total embarrassment year after year to lose to Broad Street/VCU. It has become such a foregone conclusion that it is sickening. Until we have more fire/drive/desire/motivation it will continue. They are running rings around us and outside of this message board and the other passionate fans not on the board there is little/no indication that it makes any difference. If it did changes would be made to make us more competitive.
I’m not sure u can find another coach who has been employed for as long as Mooney at 1 place w his record against rival in pro sports or high level college hoops or football. Not currently...ever. If so I bet u have to go back quite a long time. Anyone have examples?
But shhh...don’t tell BC.
But shhh...don’t tell BC.
I can’t believe that I haven’t seen any “Mooney’s 7 wins against VCU are more than...” type statements. Bob Black and the Pom Pom crew getting sloppy on us. Where’s the obnoxiously positive comments?
Interesting question. His winning percentage in 27 games is 26%.
What other rivalries in college (both sports) should we consider?
Duke-UNC
UVA-VaTech
Xavier-Cincy
Temple-Villanova
UCLA-USC
Michigan-Ohio State
Michigan-Michigan State
Alabama-Auburn
Alabama-LSU
Florida-Georgia
Kansas-Kansas State
Kentucky-Louisville
Texas-Oklahoma
Washington-Washington State
Arizona-Arizona State
I'm sure I'm missing a bunch
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That percentage - to be technical before rounding up is 25.92% - which means VCU's percentage against us in the same time frame - against CM- is 74.08 winning percentage. That is "hide your head in the sand" embarrassing .....
8legs1dream
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anyone know of a website that shows a break down of a coach's record against all other teams individually? Curious to see if his worst record is against his "rival"
It has to be his worst. We haven't played many other teams 27 times in his tenure. Maybe GW? Used to play them twice every year, but otherwise the league has turned over a lot since he got here.
Edit: We are 16-13 against GW during Mooney's tenure. I think that's the most we've played any team in that time, as far as I can tell.
Edit: We are 16-13 against GW during Mooney's tenure. I think that's the most we've played any team in that time, as far as I can tell.
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All time records are here - game by game start on page 49.
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2020 21 Digital Media Guide (PDF) - University of Richmond Athletics
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Yeah u could extend as much as u want. Extend it to the pros too. Think we’d have trouble coming up w examples.
mooney was saying how UR-Vcu is best rivalry in A10 and game is needed for league. A10 does not have many natural rivalries so I agree it is best. But it’s also a 1 sided rivalry.
when get your ass beat 75% of the time it becomes less relevant especially to outsiders, bur perhaps even insiders.
Maybe if we held up our side of the bargain it would not be an afterthought.
hopefully we’ll see them in A10. I’d like to but perhaps I’m a glutton for punishment. Also the A10 tourney percentage is even worse...0%.
when get your ass beat 75% of the time it becomes less relevant especially to outsiders, bur perhaps even insiders.
Maybe if we held up our side of the bargain it would not be an afterthought.
hopefully we’ll see them in A10. I’d like to but perhaps I’m a glutton for punishment. Also the A10 tourney percentage is even worse...0%.
I don't know why but I listened to some of the radio show via espn app last night. Mooney dropped the "we competed" multiple times in relation to VCU.
I mean we have a vet team that is dying to get to NCAA for 1st time ever in their careers, rivalry game, important game, u had the holy mary mother of god game prep, how would we not compete. These are frankly minimum requirements.
And then Greg Beckwith, god bless u Greg I don't know Beck but he seems like an exceedingly genuine person, goes and asks Moon about Duquesne and the worry about all the energy they were going to bring to game and did bring to game. Uh Greg, don't u realize this was against our whole narrative? I mean how could Duq bring the energy off a pause, they had to be the ones with fatigue and dead legs.
Seriously we transitioned from VCU what a tough challenge w the circumstances to watch out those Duq Dukes are full of energy.
At that point I turned it off.
I mean we have a vet team that is dying to get to NCAA for 1st time ever in their careers, rivalry game, important game, u had the holy mary mother of god game prep, how would we not compete. These are frankly minimum requirements.
And then Greg Beckwith, god bless u Greg I don't know Beck but he seems like an exceedingly genuine person, goes and asks Moon about Duquesne and the worry about all the energy they were going to bring to game and did bring to game. Uh Greg, don't u realize this was against our whole narrative? I mean how could Duq bring the energy off a pause, they had to be the ones with fatigue and dead legs.
Seriously we transitioned from VCU what a tough challenge w the circumstances to watch out those Duq Dukes are full of energy.
At that point I turned it off.
i don't know Duquesne's situation, but it sounds like we had a dozen guys who actually had Covid during our pause. it's hard enough just being contract traced and sitting in a hotel room without being positive. it certainly seemed to have an affect on us.
and while Duquesne didn't pay poorly, at the end of the day they lost coming off their pause too.
and while Duquesne didn't pay poorly, at the end of the day they lost coming off their pause too.
Well here we r again. Mooney gets to put his exceedingly ugly 7-20 record to the test vs. vcu. It is a burden that is felt by the team. Vcu expects to beat us we just hope to beat them. & I guarantee Mooney shamelessly has no idea how bad his record is if u asked him.
plus now vcu is back close to ncaa mix & whenever that arises we handle even worse - see Brooklyn & Pitt a10 tourney losses. & next to Davidson vcu is really only viable at large candidate. We’re out of it but we could seriously hurt their chances.
that all adds up to 7-21.
but go spiders show out & start a new trend.
plus now vcu is back close to ncaa mix & whenever that arises we handle even worse - see Brooklyn & Pitt a10 tourney losses. & next to Davidson vcu is really only viable at large candidate. We’re out of it but we could seriously hurt their chances.
that all adds up to 7-21.
but go spiders show out & start a new trend.
Time to go 1-0 in our last 1 against VCU. Beat the Rams
I have not paid much attention to VCU this season, but does seem they are playing pretty darn good the last few weeks - think they got Ace back in that time. Very interesting game.
In my mind, the lack of attention myself and it seems like many others have to this rivalry just reinforces the level to which Mooney is driving us through long term mediocrity. It just seems like our superbowl if we win, and if they win expected and what are you going to do - its VCU. Pathetic.
In my mind, the lack of attention myself and it seems like many others have to this rivalry just reinforces the level to which Mooney is driving us through long term mediocrity. It just seems like our superbowl if we win, and if they win expected and what are you going to do - its VCU. Pathetic.
Based on history I don't feel good about this at all. The first time we met VCU was on January 29 and was a victory for Richmond. However, we are on a 3 game win streak Mooney is due for the loss. If we score 70 points or more we win if VCU scores 80 we lose. Just looking at the history of the series.
I will say vcu can’t score this year but they play excellent defense so that will keep them in this game. They probably go off offensively against us though. Only way we win this is if we shoot the lights out from 3 and get up big on them early. We won’t though because our guys are scared of vcu. They are a reflection of their coach in that sense because mooney is definitely scared of vcu.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Davidson, a team whose bread and butter is and has always been three point shooting just went 3-14 against these guys. The same Davidson that shot 13-27 from three against us.
VCU is just rugged this year. Rhodes and his staff are doing a good job keeping that ship going with all the injuries they had before the season even began. They are not as deep as before as a result - but knowing the in your face style they play on defense - he still manages to go 10-11 deep even in limited minutes for some guys.
They were just very physical with Davidson and I expect them to do the same with us. They were bumping and pushing Davidson on their cuts and when they came off screens and they contested every shot. VCU shot well in the first half, but came back to earth in the 2nd half.
We always match up well with VCU because we usually have good guards who don't turn it over, and the same is true this year. But will we hit enough shots to win? Or will VCU punch us in the mouth and not let us get up.
They were just very physical with Davidson and I expect them to do the same with us. They were bumping and pushing Davidson on their cuts and when they came off screens and they contested every shot. VCU shot well in the first half, but came back to earth in the 2nd half.
We always match up well with VCU because we usually have good guards who don't turn it over, and the same is true this year. But will we hit enough shots to win? Or will VCU punch us in the mouth and not let us get up.
VCU is second in the nation in 3 point defense.
And second in forcing turnovers.
However they are 325th in turning the ball over (including 306th in getting it stolen).
The question is how much is that skewed by their first 8 games vs last 10.
Need to go big and take it to the rack. If we could only make foul shots. Their backside is open because they push the 3.
I also don't like that VCU got to play Davidson right before us as I think Davidson is probably the closest team to us in terms of style of play. It is like the perfect warm-up for getting ready for us.
Not sure about anyone else - but given the amount of injuries VCU before the season - i think they lost 3-4 players before the season even began - I am shocked they stand at 12-6 and 5-2 in the league. I was thinking this is the year they fall pretty far - maybe below .500 overall and in league, but when you rely on defense - which is just effort and hustle, and your staff gets guys to buy in - you always got a shot it seems with VCU.
We need to come out and shoot well early to calm our nerves with VCU. VCU was able to hang with Davidson early, which I think gave them confidence, then end of first half and beginning of 2nd half - they built a lead to 13 and just were able to hang on. I think if UR can shoot well early, get VCU behind - we got a better shot, because their offense is not very good and even with our bad defense - I don't see them scoring a lot.
Not sure about anyone else - but given the amount of injuries VCU before the season - i think they lost 3-4 players before the season even began - I am shocked they stand at 12-6 and 5-2 in the league. I was thinking this is the year they fall pretty far - maybe below .500 overall and in league, but when you rely on defense - which is just effort and hustle, and your staff gets guys to buy in - you always got a shot it seems with VCU.
We need to come out and shoot well early to calm our nerves with VCU. VCU was able to hang with Davidson early, which I think gave them confidence, then end of first half and beginning of 2nd half - they built a lead to 13 and just were able to hang on. I think if UR can shoot well early, get VCU behind - we got a better shot, because their offense is not very good and even with our bad defense - I don't see them scoring a lot.
Davidson shots selection are 40% 3PTA. VCU got them to only try 32%. Against UR they got off nearly 50% and of course shot much better. Yes, VCU 2nd in nation in stopping the 3PT shot but Davidson 2nd in making them. VCU took them out of their comfort zone. Plus Davidson made 19 more from the FT line and still lost.
Yep and that will also help with the committee. Get another top 100 road win Sat night at Robins and they'll be in pretty good shape down the stretch run here. But what else is new. Certainly we've never done anything to stop them when we've had chances.
No, UVA is on their 4th coach in the Mooney era
Match up well against them? We’re 7-20 with mooney as the coach against vcu. That’s not matching up well.
You said just days ago that you hope we lose games. Not sure you’re really qualified to chime in here. Or ever
Meaning they really feast on turnovers and pressuring guards, but that is usually our strength - having small, quick guards who can break pressure and play 40 minutes, as I expect Gilyard will do.
Usually games are close - would have to go back and look, but yes, we lose a lot, but don't think we get blown out much against them.
I’ll agree to that. It’s usually a very close game but all too often we shrivel up down the stretch against them. Things like the 6 man game come to mind. That’s because this team is a reflection of its coach; they are afraid of vcu because mooney is afraid of them.
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