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4700 PomPom UR80 have bailed. Should say a lot

But I recall few people saying we would struggle given the fact that we lost 6 THOUSAND POINTS.
Yes, despite all 6,000 points we finished 6th in the conference when picked to Win It. Scarcely a ringing endorsement of the coaching despite the long overdue miracle 10 day run to glory at the end. Chronic underachievement.

Pom, Plug into reality. 18 years of data. Mooney is not capable of returning the program to regular NCAA post season appearances. If he was, he would have done it by now.

That criticism is of his coaching, not of him as a man. Nice guy. Wish him a speedy recovery.
 
Lol. Not sure what your expectations were for Pete Thomas, but team is playing the same crappy ball that they did when Mooney was on the sidelines. He wasn't the one who broke this team, that was your savior, Mr. 55% himself.
Well you all said that mooney was the problem, correct?? He’s no longer coaching. Somebody else, a different human being stepped in, and the team is continuing to not succeed. He didn’t get goose to 12 ppg, didn’t get Quinn to be an all time great, and didn’t get Dji to be the ACC PG like expected.
B/c that is what you guys told me other coaches could do with this team. So why is it not happening?
 
Yes, despite all 6,000 points we finished 6th in the conference when picked to Win It. Scarcely a ringing endorsement of the coaching despite the long overdue miracle 10 day run to glory at the end. Chronic underachievement.

Pom, Plug into reality. 18 years of data. Mooney is not capable of returning the program to regular NCAA post season appearances. If he was, he would have done it by now.

That criticism is of his coaching, not of him as a man. Nice guy. Wish him a speedy recovery.
Returning?! When was that the case?! When was Richmond a regular NCAA team? The late 80s?! Get a grip. It’s been 30 years since UR was a regular!
 
No, Mooney IS the problem.
Well he’s not currently coaching this LOADED TALENTED TEAM who was far more talented than last year according to some of you guys and how is that going for the interim? Bad team overall because of the set back through covid. I expect a better team next year after a real recruitment opportunity.
 
Well you all said that mooney was the problem, correct?? He’s no longer coaching. Somebody else, a different human being stepped in, and the team is continuing to not succeed. He didn’t get goose to 12 ppg, didn’t get Quinn to be an all time great, and didn’t get Dji to be the ACC PG like expected.
B/c that is what you guys told me other coaches could do with this team. So why is it not happening?

Yes he wasn't able to fix in a week what Mooney has ****ed up over the course of twenty years CURIOUS INDEED!!!
 
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Returning?! When was that the case?! When was Richmond a regular NCAA team? The late 80s?! Get a grip. It’s been 30 years since UR was a regular!
1984-2004 7 NCAAs appearances (basically once every 3 years under multiple coaches)
2005-Present 3 NCAAs appearances (Mooney era) (basically once every 6 years)

Yes, the program is "irregular" now.

What am I missing?
 
Well you all said that mooney was the problem, correct?? He’s no longer coaching. Somebody else, a different human being stepped in, and the team is continuing to not succeed. He didn’t get goose to 12 ppg, didn’t get Quinn to be an all time great, and didn’t get Dji to be the ACC PG like expected.
B/c that is what you guys told me other coaches could do with this team. So why is it not happening?
Is this a serious post?
 
Well you all said that mooney was the problem, correct?? He’s no longer coaching. Somebody else, a different human being stepped in, and the team is continuing to not succeed. He didn’t get goose to 12 ppg, didn’t get Quinn to be an all time great, and didn’t get Dji to be the ACC PG like expected.
B/c that is what you guys told me other coaches could do with this team. So why is it not happening?
Yes, because we were all clamoring for a first-time head coach who has only learned under Mooney... 🙄
 
Good analysis from 4700. Quinn, while he has has some good offensive games struggles to impact other areas. I think once he gets engaged by the defender he has had little ability to find the open man, or too slow to make the pass. That is what I thought watching his Lafayette tape, too slow. The pre season talk and video had me very hopeful I was wrong, despite what my eyes and buddy that watched him in person for 2 years told me.

Randolph has been pretty good. He is really the only guy other than Roche that can catch the ball and be in a shooting/decision making position on the catch. And he has a quick release and repeatable like Roche. I don't think he quite has the ability off the dribble of a Gonzo, Francis or Brothers. But do agree he can be very valuable player moving forward. Feels like a 2/3 tweener, good but not all league with some limitations at either position.

Point guard, wow that is a big discussion. Really still believe Mooney's intent is/was to ride with Jaynel/Smith duo at the guards. I'm not writing off Nelson yet, but not sure have the confidence to go into next season confident in rolling them out forb60 combined minutes.
 
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Good analysis from 4700. Quinn, while he has has some good offensive games struggles to impact other areas. I think once he gets engaged by the defender he has had little ability to find the open man, or too slow to make the pass. That is what I thought watching his Lafayette tape, too slow. The pre season talk and video had me very hopeful I was wrong, despite what my eyes and buddy that watched him in person for 2 years told me.

Randolph has been pretty good. He is really the only guy other than Roche that can catch the ball and be in a shooting/decision making position on the catch. And he has a quick release and repeatable like Roche. I don't think he quite has the ability off the dribble of a Gonzo, Francis or Brothers. But do agree he can be very valuable player moving forward. Feels like a 2/3 tweener, good but not all league with some limitations at either position.

Point guard, wow that is a big discussion. Really still believe Mooney's intent is/was to ride with Jaynel/Smith duo at the guards. I'm not writing off Nelson yet, but not sure have the confidence to go into next season confident in rolling them out forb60 combined minutes.
If Quinn is committed to improving, he needs serious strength training and hand-eye coordination. He
should be dominating vs struggling. The blame on coaching staff is they have failed to mesh this team
and our offensive scheme seems to have run its course.
 
If Quinn is committed to improving, he needs serious strength training and hand-eye coordination. He
should be dominating vs struggling. The blame on coaching staff is they have failed to mesh this team
and our offensive scheme seems to have run its course.
Remember if he had all that he would be playing P5 not Lafayette and Richmond.
 
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If Quinn is committed to improving, he needs serious strength training and hand-eye coordination. He
should be dominating vs struggling. The blame on coaching staff is they have failed to mesh this team
and our offensive scheme seems to have run its course.
Quinn has improved a lot as the year has gone on. He is going to be a solid center next year.
 
Quinn has improved a lot as the year has gone on. He is going to be a solid center next year.
Quinn has one thing going for him, height. His sky hook, over the shoulder push or whatever he wants to call it is gawd awful. It's a prayer that sometimes goes in and often times doesn't draw iron. Decent footwork but not good finishing ability. Not going to be the big man savior. Keep recruiting. Going to be a long ways back to respectability. Until changes are made maybe never.
 
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Honestly don’t think Quinn should be starting for a high level A10 team (admittedly, we are not one right now). He does not have the athleticism or coordination and those things are hard or impossible to change. He’d be a great backup big, would love him to get about 15 mins a game. If only we had a stud center in waiting like Matt Reed. Maybe Walz will be a stud, who knows.
 
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Honestly don’t think Quinn should be starting for a high level A10 team (admittedly, we are not one right now). He does not have the athleticism or coordination and those things are hard or impossible to change. He’d be a great backup big, would love him to get about 15 mins a game. If only we had a stud center in waiting like Matt Reed. Maybe Walz will be a stud, who knows.
I think when he battles and plays towards the rim he’s pretty good. The problem is, he often settles for a softer shot, falling away or baby hook and just misses a lot of those.

He’s not athletic but he’s athletic enough. He’s 7’, you can’t coach height.
 
I think when he battles and plays towards the rim he’s pretty good. The problem is, he often settles for a softer shot, falling away or baby hook and just misses a lot of those.

He’s not athletic but he’s athletic enough. He’s 7’, you can’t coach height.
I dont know.

Coach Torquemada used to be pretty at using a piece of training equipment called the rack, to teach having a the height to get to the rack.
 
I dont know.

Coach Torquemada used to be pretty at using a piece of training equipment called the rack, to teach having a the height to get to the rack.
I remember that guy. He was the guy who wore the funny hat.
 
Remember if he had all that he would be playing P5 not Lafayette and Richmond.
Sorry K we have him now. I was a 200 hitter my junior year of high school and got a new
baseball coach who believed in physical conditioning and started us a month earlier. I lost 15 lbs,
could run faster and gained more arm strength as I was a catcher. I batted .350 and made post season
awards. My improvement was based on being stronger and in better condition. If the Mighty Quinn
can get stronger and better conditioned, I promise you he would be a better player. Question is whether or not he wants
to improve.
 
Sorry K we have him now. I was a 200 hitter my junior year of high school and got a new
baseball coach who believed in physical conditioning and started us a month earlier. I lost 15 lbs,
could run faster and gained more arm strength as I was a catcher. I batted .350 and made post season
awards. My improvement was based on being stronger and in better condition. If the Mighty Quinn
can get stronger and better conditioned, I promise you he would be a better player. Question is whether or not he wants
to improve.
Congratulations to you and hope he does the same.
 
Sorry K we have him now. I was a 200 hitter my junior year of high school and got a new
baseball coach who believed in physical conditioning and started us a month earlier. I lost 15 lbs,
could run faster and gained more arm strength as I was a catcher. I batted .350 and made post season
awards. My improvement was based on being stronger and in better condition. If the Mighty Quinn
can get stronger and better conditioned, I promise you he would be a better player. Question is whether or not he wants
to improve.
Quinn has worked his butt off to become as good as he is now. it's not just about wanting it. he's a decent A10 center and as nice a kid as you'll ever meet. but he's not going to be all A10. he's just not. but I'd love him to prove me wrong.

I've been as high as anyone on our recruiting. player by player, I do think they're good. but not great. I don't see anyone returning who we'd project as even 3rd team all league next year. Bigelow has upside but I'm just not confident he can shoot any more.

we have to hit on both freshmen, and hit on both spots in the portal. and then Mooney has to be willing to play the best talent and not just the most familiar. I don't expect much improvement next season.
 
Quinn has worked his butt off to become as good as he is now. it's not just about wanting it. he's a decent A10 center and as nice a kid as you'll ever meet. but he's not going to be all A10. he's just not. but I'd love him to prove me wrong.

I've been as high as anyone on our recruiting. player by player, I do think they're good. but not great. I don't see anyone returning who we'd project as even 3rd team all league next year. Bigelow has upside but I'm just not confident he can shoot any more.

we have to hit on both freshmen, and hit on both spots in the portal. and then Mooney has to be willing to play the best talent and not just the most familiar. I don't expect much improvement next season.
Agreed. There is not a single guy on our roster next year that has all A-10 potential. Quinn, Bigelow, Dji, Roche, Randolph, Dji are all good players, but I don't see any of them of having the potential to be our next Grant, Gilly, Burton, Kendall Anthony, TJ, Ced, KA type of player.

And even when Mooney had one or more all A-10 players, we still ended up underachieving in most years, sometimes with multiple all A-10 players.

So, give Mooney a group of guys without a truly great player or players and next year is pretty bleak. I could see us playing another 11:30 am Tuesday game next year.

The only bright side is that a truly awful year or to the point, back to back truly awful years, because this year was awful as well, might begin to loosen up Mooney's grip on his lifetime appointment here.
 
Quinn has one thing going for him, height. His sky hook, over the shoulder push or whatever he wants to call it is gawd awful. It's a prayer that sometimes goes in and often times doesn't draw iron. Decent footwork but not good finishing ability. Not going to be the big man savior. Keep recruiting. Going to be a long ways back to respectability. Until changes are made maybe never.

As Frank Layden of the Utah Jazz said when describing Mark Eaton, “You can’t teach height.”
 
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Good analysis from 4700. Quinn, while he has has some good offensive games struggles to impact other areas. I think once he gets engaged by the defender he has had little ability to find the open man, or too slow to make the pass. That is what I thought watching his Lafayette tape, too slow. The pre season talk and video had me very hopeful I was wrong, despite what my eyes and buddy that watched him in person for 2 years told me.

Randolph has been pretty good. He is really the only guy other than Roche that can catch the ball and be in a shooting/decision making position on the catch. And he has a quick release and repeatable like Roche. I don't think he quite has the ability off the dribble of a Gonzo, Francis or Brothers. But do agree he can be very valuable player moving forward. Feels like a 2/3 tweener, good but not all league with some limitations at either position.

Point guard, wow that is a big discussion. Really still believe Mooney's intent is/was to ride with Jaynel/Smith duo at the guards. I'm not writing off Nelson yet, but not sure have the confidence to go into next season confident in rolling them out forb60 combined minutes.
I think the point is the issue moving forward. They have to be better and as far as Dji's TOs (not directed at you 23) I think he got them under control. Let's not act like he was the only one that had TO's bc there were others with worse TO to assist ratio. Never the less the guards have to be better. Dji has to stay healthy and as G says your best ability is availability. Which leads me to those that are saying Smith comes in right away and will be the savior...Some of the same said this very thing about JayNel. Unfair to put that on any Fr redshirt or not. These guys are not Gilly or even Blake and to expect that same output is unfair. I just find it hard to believe based off what I've seen for 3 yrs that an inexperienced Fr with guards and vets in front of them comes in and gets that time. He could, and if he does I don't think it hurts us. Hey try it early and see what we get. I love Marcus and his energy and I think he really took a step forward this season which should propel him for next season. Neal has to get stronger like another poster said. I'm hopeful that a year under his belt in the system also helps him bc you see glimpses of it. Zay had an up and down season very much like Dji but was more impactful at least offensively. Aidan is quick, athletic and def a guy who will help next season, he will add more muscle/weight this off season and have yr or exp with the system. Roche is what I thought he would be and a little more. What he lacks athletically he makes up for with his hustle and scrappiness. I do think we have to get creative in finding him more shots. We had good defensive moments but not nearly enough. I think JayNel should not be given up on. He can play, but hit that Fr wall I think and confidence went down, which is understandable. I'm rooting for all the guys, would some of these guys do better in another "system" yeah possibly but we are in Coach's system, so they have to adapt. I'm not sure how many scholarships we have open...2? Someone can check...I would go find another shooter and 6'8ish versatile guy.
 
I'm not sure how many scholarships we have open...2? Someone can check...I would go find another shooter and 6'8ish versatile guy.
yes, 2 assuming Burton and Crabtree are gone.
I want a 5 (or a 4 that could handle the 5 in a pinch), but a big that can stretch the floor (e.g. Reed). neither Neal or Walz have that in their bag.
the other spot can be almost anything.
 
yes, 2 assuming Burton and Crabtree are gone.
I want a 5 (or a 4 that could handle the 5 in a pinch), but a big that can stretch the floor (e.g. Reed). neither Neal or Walz have that in their bag.
the other spot can be almost anything.
Burton is the ? ...Crab is gone. I don't have an issue with those "wants" Didn't we have a scholly last yr that we didn't use? Would that count as 3?
 
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