8legs1dream
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I don’t think he was MoonMan himself, more likely some graduate assistant level type guy on the staff or maybe a former teammate or college friend of his or something.
4700 PomPom UR80 have bailed. Should say a lot
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Yep. There is really nothing to discuss. Hoping and expecting to get good news on Mooney tomorrow. We have been pretty bad this year. We are getting ready to go quietly in to the night of the offseason. Mooney will hopefully be fully recovered in 6-8 weeks. He signs a couple good finds in the portal, and there is hope and optimism for next season.
Not all of us. I've seen the rerun of this show too many times.
That's why I have a hard time believing that he's a former player. I would hope Mooney (and to a lesser extent the University) would teach kids a little decorum everywhere. I would say loyal friend or family member.
Yeah, I said that tongue in cheek. It is not Mooney but certainly someone very loyal to him that is for sure.
VT is not Mooney, but I'm sure his schedule has gotten a bit busier as of late.
I don’t know - when the billboard went up there were some former players that didn’t respond in what I’d call a professional manner.
Many on this board believed for a long time that VT was in fact Will Gipe. I was not among them.
There is a really corrosive undercurrent on this board that assumes that if there is any poster that remains supportive of Coach Mooney, they must be either related to him, on the staff, or apparently now, a burner account for Coach Mooney.
As opposed to, you know, having a different opinion - however forcefully or repetitively or argumentatively it is expressed.
This thread subject is a completely unnecessary troll job.
There is a really corrosive undercurrent on this board that assumes that if there is any poster that remains supportive of Coach Mooney, they must be either related to him, on the staff, or apparently now, a burner account for Coach Mooney.
As opposed to, you know, having a different opinion - however forcefully or repetitively or argumentatively it is expressed.
This thread subject is a completely unnecessary troll job.
Yes, we did not need to bait him out of early retirement 
. My biggest beef with the super pro mooney guys, is that they seem to be more about him, than the program. To the point that they try to put down Tarrant or JB, etc. Hell, I had a conversation with Rob Jones once, and he was basically telling me that Curtis Blair being drafted was not all that super, because they had more rounds back then. He was drafted in the 2nd round. Just seems like the pro mooney guys do not respect the history of the program.
. My biggest beef with the super pro mooney guys, is that they seem to be more about him, than the program. To the point that they try to put down Tarrant or JB, etc. Hell, I had a conversation with Rob Jones once, and he was basically telling me that Curtis Blair being drafted was not all that super, because they had more rounds back then. He was drafted in the 2nd round. Just seems like the pro mooney guys do not respect the history of the program.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Yes, we did not need to bait him out of early retirement
exactly right, they are Mooney fans first and Spiders fans second so most of us cannot stand for that.
I disagree with this opinion. I think 4700 is a hardcore fan of the program. he supports the team the way he wants to support them. many people here don't agree with his way of supporting the team, so they put him down, accuse him of being a Mooney fan over the program, or even a relative.
he may fight too much for everyone to think and post his way. he lost objectivity regarding Dji. but I don't doubt his love of the school or program.
You lose credibility when you make post like this.Yes, we did not need to bait him out of early retirement
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
that's great, you lost all credibility a long time ago.
As a season ticket holder and alum, I literally know zero people who think this program is heading in the right direction under Mooney. ZERO. As such, the only people that I know that support the program under Mooney are parents of players/former players, people on the payroll, and maybe some white ivory tower professors who think it is nice to have athletics but clearly want athletics to be in the back seat to education.
The latter is the corrosive elements around our program because they help hold our program back. Anyone who takes a second to look at our program objectively in the greater landscape of college basketball, our league, our resources, our 55% winning percentage over the past 18 years, knows without much doubt that Mooney is not the guy that can lead our program to be the best it can be. And if you know this and just sit silently and let those real corrosive element that hinders our program to be the voices that are heard, well there truly is no hope then for change ever occurring.
just for clarification, do you "literally know zero people who think this program is heading in the right direction", or do you know "parents of players/former players, people on the payroll", etc ... that support the program under Mooney?
Seems America is following UR’s lead. We keep the same crap in power even though we all agree the country and sports program is swirling down the potty. Our school, fans and country are more afraid of leadership change than consistent failure. Losing takes less effort than winning.
For clarification. Anyone I interact with personally wants the program under different leadership. The people whom I don't know but have voiced support for Mooney in the past are the second group, a group I think all has a vested interest in keeping Mooney in place.
I, for one, am enjoying the peace and quiet.
ok folks. Another one that thinks the program is just dandy.
"zero people who think this program is heading in the right direction"
"parents of players/former players, people on the payroll" think this program is heading in the right direction
Therefore there are zero "parents of players/former players, people on the payroll"
They do not exist...
Who at Dayton, VCU, SLU, Davidson think their program is headed in right direction? Answer - All of them due to fact they are consistently in top tier of A10 and sniffing post season either in NCAA or NIT.
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Wow. 2 pages? That's pretty cool. But, a lot of what was said is far from cool. For about the 10th time, no, I am not a former player, and I have nothing to do with the program. Zero. Nothing. I happen to like and respect our coach, and think he does a good job more often than not. But, I don't think this has been a good year at all, for our coach or our team. My thoughts:
PG: This was a below average spot for us most of the year. If Nelson was not ready to be the guy this year, it is fair to wonder why Mooney did not go after a transfer PG. Maybe he did, and did not land one? If not, he likely thought we would be okay and have a lot more good games than bad games with Nelson, but we did not. I think it is fair to say that is on the coach for missing at such a crucial position here. I am not giving up on Nelson, but I am not sure I see a high minute PG for us there. I have giving Mooney credit for our great PG play all the way back to KA, so when it was below average this year, and if we did not even go after a PG in the portal, that is a negative for the coach. We have to improve here next year. If not Smith, and I sure hope Smith is the next great one, we have to find a PG in the portal.
Dji is not the answer. Those that disagree, share why you feel like he might be because maybe in 3 years I just haven't seen what some of you have. I think the VCU game sums up my thoughts here. The turnovers and the 3 pointer getting blocked is a big reason why I just don't think he can make a big impact at this level. He gets the ball taken away from him way too much in just normal 1 on 1 situations, and his 3 point shot takes so long to shoot, he will never be a consistent 3 point threat. Teams scout. They see he will have trouble with on the ball defensive pressure. They see they can play off of him because of the lack of an outside shot. I just don't see how that can translate to good minutes on the floor. Anyway, everyone knows my thought here, so I will just leave it at that.
My next issue for this year would be Quinn. I was excited about him, thinking he could be a huge inside presence, draw some double teams, free things up, and be a factor defensively. That has not been the case at all. The problem with us trying to go inside to Quinn and get the inside game going is teams rarely had to double him. They just played him 1 on 1, stayed close to our 3 point guys, and if Quinn made some, no worries because we were not getting a lot of open looks from 3. Quinn was not a guy that could dominate his guy and make nearly every shot if guarded 1 on 1, so even if Quinn had some 6-10 or 5-8 type games with double figure points, the opposing team was fine with that because it rarely made anyone else better, and instead of making 3s, we only sometimes made 2s when feeding it to Quinn. I was thinking the answer might have been to maybe not play Quinn much at all, and have Grace be the inside guy because he had more success beating his guy 1 on 1, but Grace was one of our better 3 point guys this year, so we did not want to lose that. Not sure what would have been the better choice here because anything we did had flaws. This goes back to shooting. With better shooting, Grace could be the inside guy, so I would have liked to see more Roche and Randolph.
Tyler: Love the guy. Busts his butt every game and has given us everything you would want a player to give you. He is super talented, but no question his 3 point shot is below average. Last year, after his red hot start, he was around 31% from 3 for his last 30 games or so, and this year, he is just below 30%. For someone who takes as many 3s as he does, that is not good at all.
Bigs: Like Tyler, the 3 ball has been bad this year. He is a heck of an athlete, and can do a lot of positive things out there, but I'm not sure he will be that 35% 3 point shooter that would make him great. Bottom line is we just weren't a good 3 point shooting team. I mentioned PG and 3 point shooting were keys for us, and sure enough, the below average play with those is a big reason why our record is what it is right now.
Goose: A very good defensive player. Made a couple crucial late game mistakes, but overall, a very solid player who could never provide quite enough offense to be great.
Roche: I agree with those that wanted more minutes for him, especially when we struggled so badly from 3.
Randolph: I think he can be a 25+ minute player for us. I really like what he brings, and he can give us some much needed outside shooting among other things he does.
Walz and Noyes: Would like to see more of them the next few games.
PG: This was a below average spot for us most of the year. If Nelson was not ready to be the guy this year, it is fair to wonder why Mooney did not go after a transfer PG. Maybe he did, and did not land one? If not, he likely thought we would be okay and have a lot more good games than bad games with Nelson, but we did not. I think it is fair to say that is on the coach for missing at such a crucial position here. I am not giving up on Nelson, but I am not sure I see a high minute PG for us there. I have giving Mooney credit for our great PG play all the way back to KA, so when it was below average this year, and if we did not even go after a PG in the portal, that is a negative for the coach. We have to improve here next year. If not Smith, and I sure hope Smith is the next great one, we have to find a PG in the portal.
Dji is not the answer. Those that disagree, share why you feel like he might be because maybe in 3 years I just haven't seen what some of you have. I think the VCU game sums up my thoughts here. The turnovers and the 3 pointer getting blocked is a big reason why I just don't think he can make a big impact at this level. He gets the ball taken away from him way too much in just normal 1 on 1 situations, and his 3 point shot takes so long to shoot, he will never be a consistent 3 point threat. Teams scout. They see he will have trouble with on the ball defensive pressure. They see they can play off of him because of the lack of an outside shot. I just don't see how that can translate to good minutes on the floor. Anyway, everyone knows my thought here, so I will just leave it at that.
My next issue for this year would be Quinn. I was excited about him, thinking he could be a huge inside presence, draw some double teams, free things up, and be a factor defensively. That has not been the case at all. The problem with us trying to go inside to Quinn and get the inside game going is teams rarely had to double him. They just played him 1 on 1, stayed close to our 3 point guys, and if Quinn made some, no worries because we were not getting a lot of open looks from 3. Quinn was not a guy that could dominate his guy and make nearly every shot if guarded 1 on 1, so even if Quinn had some 6-10 or 5-8 type games with double figure points, the opposing team was fine with that because it rarely made anyone else better, and instead of making 3s, we only sometimes made 2s when feeding it to Quinn. I was thinking the answer might have been to maybe not play Quinn much at all, and have Grace be the inside guy because he had more success beating his guy 1 on 1, but Grace was one of our better 3 point guys this year, so we did not want to lose that. Not sure what would have been the better choice here because anything we did had flaws. This goes back to shooting. With better shooting, Grace could be the inside guy, so I would have liked to see more Roche and Randolph.
Tyler: Love the guy. Busts his butt every game and has given us everything you would want a player to give you. He is super talented, but no question his 3 point shot is below average. Last year, after his red hot start, he was around 31% from 3 for his last 30 games or so, and this year, he is just below 30%. For someone who takes as many 3s as he does, that is not good at all.
Bigs: Like Tyler, the 3 ball has been bad this year. He is a heck of an athlete, and can do a lot of positive things out there, but I'm not sure he will be that 35% 3 point shooter that would make him great. Bottom line is we just weren't a good 3 point shooting team. I mentioned PG and 3 point shooting were keys for us, and sure enough, the below average play with those is a big reason why our record is what it is right now.
Goose: A very good defensive player. Made a couple crucial late game mistakes, but overall, a very solid player who could never provide quite enough offense to be great.
Roche: I agree with those that wanted more minutes for him, especially when we struggled so badly from 3.
Randolph: I think he can be a 25+ minute player for us. I really like what he brings, and he can give us some much needed outside shooting among other things he does.
Walz and Noyes: Would like to see more of them the next few games.
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welcome back .. agree with most of the above ..
If anyone else is watching the UNCA/Charleston Southern game, Drew Pember for UNCA sure reminds me of GG - 20 points per game and 9 rebounds senior but probably has an extra COViD year.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
I'm getting vibes that this was not written by the same person that wrote all of 4700's previous posts. Anyone else feeling that?
Haha - I had the same reaction! It was a well written post. Maybe 4700 just needed some rest and a mental reset - think we’ve all been there.
We were tired of arguing with people who thought this team could win 20 games. They said Dji was the solution at point. Said Goose should be averaging 12 pts. Said Quinn would be better than GG. Said our transfers were big time transfers. Said mooney doesn’t get Roche enough shots. i have a hard time understanding a lot of your thought process going on. But I recall few people saying we would struggle given the fact that we lost 6 THOUSAND POINTS.
But at least Pete Thomas stepped up and turned it around. Showed that CM was the problem.
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So, I guess O'Connor article is right, Mooney is up and about and able to communicate again.
Lol. Not sure what your expectations were for Pete Thomas, but team is playing the same crappy ball that they did when Mooney was on the sidelines. He wasn't the one who broke this team, that was your savior, Mr. 55% himself.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Mooney gets 2 decades of leeway but you are ready to jump on Pete after one week? Gutless.
This isn't a defense of Mooney and the program, it's incriminating evidence.
The pro-Mooney crowd is always so willing to throw anyone and everyone under the bus to avoid criticism of the guy who runs the program and is responsible for all of the players AND coaches.
I’m beginning to think some of these Mooney worshipers are the same people. VT and POM come back at the same time. Strange.
No, Mooney IS the problem.
