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2nd game of the Brooklyn Miracle - Game Thread vs Goo Moos

GooMoos are a mediocre team that won the last 4 minutes of three games against UR. 0-3 against them. First league game, last league game, final tourney game. Fitting that UR went down against mediocrity bc the results were sub-mediocrity all year.

Never change, stay the course. Everything is fine.
 
wow.

for the record, I 100% feel more comfortable with Nelson improving here rather than trying to find a comparable talent in the portal.

Nelson was a terrific recruit. he missed a lot of time. he didn't have a great year but his best ball is infront of him. I still think he can be be really good.
He has been dreadful. A point guard who cant pass the ball!! That is an inherited skill. Seeing the court peripheral vision. Quickness. He lacks all of that. And he has a terrible shot.
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I am going to give Jaynel the benefit of the doubt here. He looked super in some games early in the season, then not so great as the year wore on. As much as some give benefit to the year practicing vs. Gilly, I still think nothing replaces the speed/intensity/pressure of real game experience. And Jaynel missed out on a TON of that in the pandemic. With Dji on the roster, SMith coming in as a combo guard, I don't see Mooney recruiting over him, so as I have said for the last two months, I am betting that Mooney is riding with Jaynel and Smith developing, with hopes that 24-25 and 25-26 seasons they are leading us to the top of the A10 and NCAA contention.

Kevin Anderson got better and better as the year wore on his freshman year, Jaynel went the other way. But that was with fire spitting pre 10 year contract mooney. I just don't think moon put any player in position to out perform, or perform up to their potential this season.

Fezz's feedback does worry me. But I think we are going to see jaynel have the opportunity to right the ship next year. And even though the season did not turn out very well for him, he now has a year of REAL competition, which he did not have for approximately 730 days prior.
 
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I am going to give Jaynel the benefit of the doubt here. He looked super in some games early in the season, then not so great as the year wore on. As much as some give benefit to the year practicing vs. Gilly, I still think nothing replaces the speed/intensity/pressure of real game experience. And Jaynel missed out on a TON of that in the pandemic. With Dji on the roster, SMith coming in as a combo guard, I don't see Mooney recruiting over him, so as I have said for the last two months, I am betting that Mooney is riding with Jaynel and Smith developing, with hopes that 24-25 and 25-26 seasons they are leading us to the top of the A10 and NCAA contention.

Kevin Anderson got better and better as the year wore on his freshman year, Jaynel went the other way. But that was with fire spitting pre 10 year contract mooney. I just don't think moon put any player in position to out perform, or perform up to their potential this season.

Fezz's feedback does worry me. But I think we are going to see jaynel have the opportunity to right the ship next year. And even though the season did not turn out very well for him, he now has a year of REAL competition, which he did not have for approximately 730 days prior.
23 I think the whole team played better in OOC which goes to prove our offense is too well known in the A10
and teams went to pressing us to keep us from getting into any kind of offense or rhythm. It also exposed our
poor outside shooting capability. Nelson is a good ball handler but forced too much. Prime example the cross court
pass through the lane that was intercepted to kill any chance we against GMU.
 
23 I think the whole team played better in OOC which goes to prove our offense is too well known in the A10
Carolina, agree. This is starting to become like the defense, that was so good for the early mooney years, and never ever adapted until it tanked, bottomed out for a few years. And then changed.

I know folks will say the offense worked fine last year, BUT we were bad OOC and we had 5th and 6th year players. THere was ZERO adaption when it was not working this year, and ZERO tweaks to try to get Roche open shots in the A10 - just keep running the weave.
 
I am going to give Jaynel the benefit of the doubt here. He looked super in some games early in the season, then not so great as the year wore on. As much as some give benefit to the year practicing vs. Gilly, I still think nothing replaces the speed/intensity/pressure of real game experience. And Jaynel missed out on a TON of that in the pandemic. With Dji on the roster, SMith coming in as a combo guard, I don't see Mooney recruiting over him, so as I have said for the last two months, I am betting that Mooney is riding with Jaynel and Smith developing, with hopes that 24-25 and 25-26 seasons they are leading us to the top of the A10 and NCAA contention.

Kevin Anderson got better and better as the year wore on his freshman year, Jaynel went the other way. But that was with fire spitting pre 10 year contract mooney. I just don't think moon put any player in position to out perform, or perform up to their potential this season.

Fezz's feedback does worry me. But I think we are going to see jaynel have the opportunity to right the ship next year. And even though the season did not turn out very well for him, he now has a year of REAL competition, which he did not have for approximately 730 days prior.
For the sake of the team, I hope that you are right about Nelson.

My gut tells me that he will not become a top tier A-10 guard. In my opinion, he is well below where he needs to be at this point. Far too many areas of huge improvement needed. Is it possible for him to work and get up to speed - maybe. I am fairly confident that it won't show up by next year.

I absolutely agree that Mooney and clone have selected their horse, and that they are going to ride that horse, at least through next season, and likely beyond. Will it be in the best interest of the team, I have serious doubts.
 
All we need for the offense to hum along is a first team all A10 PG, a terrific passing center who can also score in bunches, a hyper athletic stud wing, a secondary post threat if things break down, and a fearless knockdown shooter at the off guard spot.

Simple, right?

I feel like if one piece is missing it all falls apart.
 
All we need for the offense to hum along is a first team all A10 PG, a terrific passing center who can also score in bunches, a hyper athletic stud wing, a secondary post threat if things break down, and a fearless knockdown shooter at the off guard spot.

Simple, right?

I feel like if one piece is missing it all falls apart.
All the pieces are and will be missing.
 
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THere was ZERO adaption when it was not working this year, and ZERO tweaks to try to get Roche open shots in the A10 - just keep running the weave.
we didn't do a ton to get Roche shots ... expecially by sitting him.

I don't have a problem with the weave as it just gets the offense safely started, but I don't think we used that setup much lately. certainly not much in the A10 tourny.

as for zero adaptation, we've been starting the offense going to the low post (Quinn) more than we ever have before. used to be late in the clock we'd feed Grant or Cayo as a last resort. we've got Quinn going to work a ton now. we've got Grace in ISO a lot now.

not that any of this worked all that great. Quinn did get good shots up. just missed a few too many. and Grace despite his MFG moments isn't a real ISO type player. I'm just saying we made some changes. we didn't have enough offensive firepower to score without the changes, and unfortunately the changes didn't change much. we're not a good shooting team.
 
we're not a good shooting team.
Sman I’m not meaning to boil your whole post down into one sentence but this is what has really stood out to me all season. We really only have one player in Roche who I feel is a good jump shooter and even he has struggled mightily in A10 play. I don’t recall in the last 11 seasons having a team that was this poor at shooting the ball. There isn’t anybody that I get excited to see take a wide open shot. It really feels like I’m just crossing my fingers once they release it.

So with that being said, why aren’t we playing to our strengths? We have some serious athletes and guys who have shown they can finish inside. Bigelow, Dji, and Randolph are all high intensity defensive players. they’re all engaged on the defensive side of the ball. Let’s get them engaged on offense as well. None of their strengths are ever going to be shooting the 3 at a high volume. So let’s play to their strengths and mix up the system. Let’s get some seasoning on this system because right now it’s feeling pretty bland.
 
if we have some players to dribble penetrate we have open three pointer
I feel like the only guys who showed any capacity to do this were Nelson and Bailey. I think the scout on Nelson was he was most times going to kick out, so made him a lot easier to defend. Dji was more likely to shoot or dish, so that made him a little harder to defend but he didn’t do this often enough.
 
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I feel like the only guys who showed any capacity to do this were Nelson and Bailey. I think the scout on Nelson was he was most times going to kick out, so made him a lot easier to defend. Dji was more likely to shoot or dish, so that made him a little harder to defend but he didn’t do this often enough.

The move these days is often to go baseline jump & dish long pass back out to other baseline or top key. Some criticize it but it mainly works. Goose actually did it most successfully bc he had size & athleticism. But not enough frequency either. And we never hit those 3s bc not good shooters or didn’t pull trigger. But I fear it’s not prioritized in our system. I didn’t see it from others this year. Helps to have size tho Gilly pulled it off last year. But he was a special player. Dji may be able to do it.
 
nelson with hard time in decision when he gets to lane never sure what to do where to go next when i see him play but maybe everyone sees different
No, this is exactly what I see, I think he has no real intent to score and then everything else becomes kind of a safety valve at best.
 
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We really only have one player in Roche who I feel is a good jump shooter and even he has struggled mightily in A10 play. I don’t recall in the last 11 seasons having a team that was this poor at shooting the ball. There isn’t anybody that I get excited to see take a wide open shot. It really feels like I’m just crossing my fingers once they release it.
Roche is a shooter.

Grace ... he really had a very good shooting season. 36.5% from 3 overall and 38% in conferene. that's really solid. and he did it on the 2nd highest volume on the team in conference.

but Burton was really bad from outside. he's a great player, but his outside shooting was poor. add to that ... he took the most by a ton (53 more than anyone else) at 29.3% overall and 23.7% in conference.

we all expected Bigelow to shoot better ... until we gave up on his shooting late. I still like his form more than Burton's.

the other volume shooter was Nelson. I don't know what to think there based on this first year. form looks ok. I can only hope the percentage improves next season.
 
Roche is a shooter.

Grace ... he really had a very good shooting season. 36.5% from 3 overall and 38% in conferene. that's really solid. and he did it on the 2nd highest volume on the team in conference.

but Burton was really bad from outside. he's a great player, but his outside shooting was poor. add to that ... he took the most by a ton (53 more than anyone else) at 29.3% overall and 23.7% in conference.

we all expected Bigelow to shoot better ... until we gave up on his shooting late. I still like his form more than Burton's.

the other volume shooter was Nelson. I don't know what to think there based on this first year. form looks ok. I can only hope the percentage improves next season.
Nelson’s 30.5% is at the intersection of Stinky and Tolerable. Okay enough, but not gonna get the job done, at least not for a scoring PG.

Btw, super low volume but Bailey hit at 40%. Maybe he can shoot better than his even more limited history shows.
 
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Btw, super low volume but Bailey hit at 40%. Maybe he can shoot better than his even more limited history shows.
yeah, I didn't include lower volume guys. possible we didn't always have the right guys on the floor ... which may have been mentioned a couple times before.
 
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we all expected Bigelow to shoot better ... until we gave up on his shooting late. I still like his form more than Burton's.
By looking at his form I completely agree but maybe other coaches scouted his previous stats and said let him shoot those 3s? The early shot clock ones made me shake my head but Mooney probably never mentioned/concered about it. Why let a guy go inside and maybe get fouled who's close to automatic with FT attempts. Or more importantly maybe set up a play(s) to get his player inside with shot opportunities.

Here's Bigs history from deep ....
2020 .326% (28-68)
2021 .297% (38-128)
2022. .265% (30-113)

Defensive rebounding percentage (DR%): This is the percentage of possible defensive rebounds a player gets and computed as PlayerDR / [%Min * (Team DR + Opp. OR)]. It is generally believed that offensive rebounds are more attributable to individual effort than defensive rebounds. Due to its relative rarity, an offensive rebound is considered more valuable than a defensive rebound.

Guess who was #1 in A10 with above stat ...
Bigs at 27.4% and seeing wow he was #39 nationally. He's my guy Mooney needs to hit the O glass next season if he finally let's somebody do it? And now I've read posts here questioning him staying here. Might have to go with a 4 guard lineup lol.
 
By looking at his form I completely agree but maybe other coaches scouted his previous stats and said let him shoot those 3s? The early shot clock ones made me shake my head but Mooney probably never mentioned/concered about it. Why let a guy go inside and maybe get fouled who's close to automatic with FT attempts. Or more importantly maybe set up a play(s) to get his player inside with shot opportunities.

Here's Bigs history from deep ....
2020 .326% (28-68)
2021 .297% (38-128)
2022. .265% (30-113)

Defensive rebounding percentage (DR%): This is the percentage of possible defensive rebounds a player gets and computed as PlayerDR / [%Min * (Team DR + Opp. OR)]. It is generally believed that offensive rebounds are more attributable to individual effort than defensive rebounds. Due to its relative rarity, an offensive rebound is considered more valuable than a defensive rebound.

Guess who was #1 in A10 with above stat ...
Bigs at 27.4% and seeing wow he was #39 nationally. He's my guy Mooney needs to hit the O glass next season if he finally let's somebody do it? And now I've read posts here questioning him staying here. Might have to go with a 4 guard lineup lol.
There is no doubt in my mind that Bigs was misused/coached. Someone should have shut down his three point shot to only be super late in the shot clock.

He doesn’t project to me as a Nate Cayo type 4 but he could be a terror inside I think.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that Bigs was misused/coached. Someone should have shut down his three point shot to only be super late in the shot clock.

He doesn’t project to me as a Nate Cayo type 4 but he could be a terror inside I think.
Agree. But it’s the age old Moon story of we have this system and everybody is going to play in the system come hell or high water. Results might be good or bad, but we ain’t changing.
 
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I've got Bigs at 38-98 his first year (38.8%).
2020 .326% (28-68)
Sman I messed up with above should have typed (28-86). Lol quick math by me above sure doesn't equal .326%

Like basketball-reference too but Kenpom doesn't count total stats for ALL games against the likes of Erskine and North Greenville though they list individual box scores.

In those two games he went 3-4 and 7-8 respectively with 3PTA so those stats in BF correctly gave you 38-98 for 38.8%. Had to look up those teams. Play in DII and Erskine in conference was 2-13 (3-14 total season) and N Greenville 9-6 (10-7) You still have to make an open look but can see why Bigs went 10-12 in those games.

I think he has good form liked Goose had but like Goose over his career hasn't materialized on the court. Never was analytical guy but can see why those numbers are used so much these days by coaches. Just playing the percentages.
 
Nelson’s 30.5% is at the intersection of Stinky and Tolerable. Okay enough, but not gonna get the job done, at least not for a scoring PG.

Btw, super low volume but Bailey hit at 40%. Maybe he can shoot better than his even more limited history shows.
30.5 is nowhere near good enough. Not only are you not making enough, but teams can play off of you some and make it that much harder for everyone else to score. Dji would have to dramatically change his shot to ever be a factor. Starts his shot low, and it takes way too long, and even though he was 6-15 this year, every single 3 was wide wide open because teams played off of him. But, there are only so many times a game where you will be that wide open to take a good second to shoot, even when teams play off of you.
 
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30.5 is nowhere near good enough. Not only are you not making enough, but teams can play off of you some and make it that much harder for everyone else to score. Dji would have to dramatically change his shot to ever be a factor. Starts his shot low, and it takes way too long, and even though he was 6-15 this year, every single 3 was wide wide open because teams played off of him. But, there are only so many times a game where you will be that wide open to take a good second to shoot, even when teams play off of you.
Yeah, it’s safe to say that I’m not ultra confident in either of them.
 
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