spiderman said:

I've got a question on NET. is everything really just looked at in quadrants? i.e. if home games against #161 and #353 are both Q4 games, is it better to beat the #353 by 20 points than it is to beat the #161 by 18 points?

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Sorting into quadrants is just to make resumes easier for the committee to digest and compare, and isn’t directly used in NET calculations. Beating the #161 team by 18 points will have a much bigger impact on your net than beating the #353 team by 20.

brooklyn brownstone said:

Since we mentioned Memphis a few times, Penny just let go of his whole set of assistant coaches. Today. He is the only real coach left apparently.

Something is awry over there.

Can we do a schedule swap?

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Are we picking up Rick Stansbury as an assistant?

spiderman said:

I've got a question on NET. is everything really just looked at in quadrants? i.e. if home games against #161 and #353 are both Q4 games, is it better to beat the #353 by 20 points than it is to beat the #161 by 18 points?

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The use of quadrants is my biggest gripe with the NET system. There should never be a significant difference in the calculation because a team is ranked one spot lower but happens to fall in a lower quadrant. Silliness. The sliding scale should be gradual.

SFspidur said:

Weber State and Bowling Green are the final two teams in the Cactus Division of the Arizona Tip-Off. Weber would have been a decent option for our MTE, but Bowling Green wasn't a candidate because Ball State is already representing the MAC.

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I can’t remember what we decided about more than one from a conference. Does Maui have 2 Big 12?

Or is that wrong because teams changing conferences? I wonder if they will make exceptions with so many changes?


I have so many questions…

Weber State and Bowling Green are the final two teams in the Cactus Division of the Arizona Tip-Off. Weber would have been a decent option for our MTE, but Bowling Green wasn't a candidate because Ball State is already representing the MAC.

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spiderman said:

schedules aren't all complete, but I took what was available so far on D1docket ... excluding non-D1 games and excluding 2nd and 3rd games in MTEs if they're unknown. think they use Torvik rankings but they change from day to day for some reason. averaged the A10 ooc opponent's ranking.

1) Dayton 150
2) Duquesne 151
3) SLU 165
4) UMass 180
5) SJU 183
6) GMU 183
7) VCU 186
8) LaSalle 191
9) URI 195
10) UR 198
11) LUC 208
12) Fordham 210
13) Davidson 230
14) SBU 233
15) GW 270

surprisingly we're not far from the average A10 schedule.

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Correct and the A-10 is gonna be in terrible shape as a result. We have very few chances for big statement wins which is the key to getting multiple teams in the tournament.

brooklyn brownstone said:

Hell of a schedule.

Potentially 7 majors in the OOC (6 on road/neutral), as well as Richmond and Vermont. Duke, Houston, Purdue.

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Plus some of the options for the 2 unknown games - UNC, UConn, Michigan ST, Memphis…

Now if we went 10-3 vs that schedule I think we would have a chance at an at large….

urmite said:

I thought we were negotiating an OOC schedule swap with Auburn?

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Hell of a schedule.

Potentially 7 majors in the OOC (6 on road/neutral), as well as Richmond and Vermont. Duke, Houston, Purdue.

spiderman said:

I've got a question on NET. is everything really just looked at in quadrants? i.e. if home games against #161 and #353 are both Q4 games, is it better to beat the #353 by 20 points than it is to beat the #161 by 18 points?

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I would guess the formula and result is better beating the 161 ranked team BUT when it comes down to selection Sunday, and your resume is in front of a human being on the committee - they will be looking at the buckets.

I've got a question on NET. is everything really just looked at in quadrants? i.e. if home games against #161 and #353 are both Q4 games, is it better to beat the #353 by 20 points than it is to beat the #161 by 18 points?

brooklyn brownstone said:

Since we mentioned Memphis a few times, Penny just let go of his whole set of assistant coaches. Today. He is the only real coach left apparently.

Something is awry over there.

Can we do a schedule swap?

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I thought we were negotiating an OOC schedule swap with Auburn?

Three more candidates off the MTE board, including two of the better options in Chattanooga and Bryant.

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brooklyn brownstone said:

I’d think that the 2nd and 3rd MTE games would often be close to the best games on many teams’ schedules? So would seem a significant missing data point at this point and one which will likely widen the gap between UR and the teams listed above, as well as narrow it with those below. Our 2nd /3rd games won’t move the needle.

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totally depends on the MTE. if you're in the Maui Invitational like Dayton, yes those 2 games will help your average.

You guys seem so gloomy. Don't you remember how the NET works and how the Big Ten exploits it. Just beat the shit out of all your opponents and you're fine. 😉 By my calculations, if we just beat them all by 50 or more, we'll be ranked in the top 10!

I can speak from our own family's experience that the process to both find a school that seems like a good fit, a coach that seems like a good fit, and teammates that seem like a good fit is extremely challenging (and expensive). Until you get that first "you've got a spot here if you want it", it is very stressful for all involved.

Revisiting my list of potential participants for the three remaining spots in the Gulf Coast Classic Showcase. Fairleigh Dickinson, Army, and Manhattan are in their own MTE, so that eliminates a bunch of really low level options. A few others like Columbia and Wagner have announced their schedules and are not participating in MTEs this year, so the list is shrinking.

In
73 Richmond (A-10)
99 Louisiana Tech (CUSA)
116 Southern Illinois (MVC)
219 Eastern Kentucky (ASUN)
258 Ball State (MAC)

Candidates
95 Cornell (Ivy)
106 Morehead State (OVC)
140 Chattanooga (SoCon)
145 Tarleton State (WAC)
154 Weber State (Big Sky)
164 Bryant (AE)
188 Saint Peter’s (MAAC)
194 Marist (MAAC) - we presumably wouldn't face them since we're already playing
196 Cleveland State (Horizon)
198 Tulsa (AAC)
200 Harvard (Ivy)
222 Georgia State (Sun Belt)
249 Central Connecticut (NEC)
263 Citadel (SoCon)
267 Lehigh (Lehigh)
276 Oral Roberts (Summit)
282 Tennessee State (OVC)
305 Delaware State (MEAC)
330 NJIT (AE)
334 Dartmouth (Ivy)
341 Florida A&M (SWAC)

Ferrum Spider said:

Hopefully when Green City opens there will be more opportunities to play more marquee opponents. Just think there's little appetite from P4 schools to do anything other than a pay game with us.

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If P4 schools are going to be less willing to play us - then should UR focus on playing the numbers game, and trying to schedule a lot of good (not great) mid-major games. Which might be easier to get (still not a given), but more achievable. The only issue with this - it will be a gamble because expect good mid-major teams, like ourselves, to have a good year, but then lose players to the portal, graduation, etc - and have to reload - and you can't be guaranteed they will get a good number. But what if we just targeted as many non P4/P5 teams from the 75-125 NET rankings. You would be looking at schools like the following from last year.

Samford - 74
UC Irvine - 77
Yale - 83
Cornell - 95
Charleston - 97
Vermont - 102
Santa Clara - 105
Morehead St - 106
Akron - 108
UNI - 109
High Point - 110
Western Carolina - 111
Hofstra 112

Does scheduling in this pocket - especially with some of these being road games get you likely a lot of Quad 2 games, and maybe sneak in a Quad 1 game here and there (if a road game team is 75 or better).

Since we mentioned Memphis a few times, Penny just let go of his whole set of assistant coaches. Today. He is the only real coach left apparently.

Something is awry over there.

Can we do a schedule swap?

SFspidur said:

Mount Olive is at UNCW on the 4th, so they come to us on the 6th. They're also playing ECU.

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Mount Olive might have a tougher schedule than UR.

spiderman said:

schedules aren't all complete, but I took what was available so far on D1docket ... excluding non-D1 games and excluding 2nd and 3rd games in MTEs if they're unknown. think they use Torvik rankings but they change from day to day for some reason. averaged the A10 ooc opponent's ranking.

1) Dayton 150
2) Duquesne 151
3) SLU 165
4) UMass 180
5) SJU 183
6) GMU 183
7) VCU 186
8) LaSalle 191
9) URI 195
10) UR 198
11) LUC 208
12) Fordham 210
13) Davidson 230
14) SBU 233
15) GW 270

surprisingly we're not far from the average A10 schedule.

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I’d think that the 2nd and 3rd MTE games would often be close to the best games on many teams’ schedules? So would seem a significant missing data point at this point and one which will likely widen the gap between UR and the teams listed above, as well as narrow it with those below. Our 2nd /3rd games won’t move the needle.

spiderman said:

neither has what looks like perimeter offensive or defensive skills to play forward, imo.
I didn't like Grace at the 4 but at least he was a shooter.

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I agree that's my guess too. but I'd like to see Beagle play to be sure. if they r two of our better players ideally u don't want 1 sitting all the time. But I definitely get the square peg round hole thing. they'd have to prove it.

Hopefully when Green City opens there will be more opportunities to play more marquee opponents. Just think there's little appetite from P4 schools to do anything other than a pay game with us.

This is on Biden and Harris. Watch the video if you have the stomach for it. Nice.

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