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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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MDspider8 said:
I think I phrased things poorly - wasn’t trying to say Noyes deserved time over Dji after those first few games. Dji was clearly the better option and it was evident to everybody from the start.

I guess I was trying to say I hope that Mooney doesn’t have to resort to benching Tanner if he struggles early, because I think his development will be critical for us. Maybe the Noyes comparison wasn’t the best one to make.
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i would guess if Tanner puts up Aiden -like numbers in 7 games (7 games is25% of the season) a change would probably be warranted.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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LongTimeLurkerFirstTimePoster said:
Congrats to Spider23 who somehow gleaned enough information out of a stat sheet of a game--- that he didn't watch, doesn't know anyone who did and that doesn't count---to come up with 11 posts in a little over 8 hours. critiquing our offense, defense, scouting ,etc.
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Maybe you should Lurk more.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

spiderman
I believe you recruit defense. I've never seen a great college defender that wasn't a great athlete. (I've seen good ones ... not great). you've got to be ultra quick laterally. long arms is a huge plus. most really good defenders are a +4 minimum (wing span is 4 inches or more longer than height). and plus strength particularly for interior defenders.

athleticism gives you the defensive potential. intesity is always there with the great ones. but you have to have both. I think Roche has the mentality/intensity. but without the lateral and vertical athleticism you can't be great. you can't stay infront of the better D1 athletes. and if you can't, that forces too much help. an over-helping defense can't be great.

we didn't teach Dji, Bigs or Harris to be strong defenders. that was already there. the athleticism and intesity were there.

we'll see if the replacements have it. 90 points isn't promising if that total was in regulation but it was just one scrimmage.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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MDspider8 said:
I think I phrased things poorly - wasn’t trying to say Noyes deserved time over Dji after those first few games. Dji was clearly the better option and it was evident to everybody from the start.

I guess I was trying to say I hope that Mooney doesn’t have to resort to benching Tanner if he struggles early, because I think his development will be critical for us. Maybe the Noyes comparison wasn’t the best one I
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

MDspider8
LongTimeLurkerFirstTimePoster said:
I’m hoping he gets some leeway to learn and grow compared to what we saw with Noyes last year.

Huh? He was given the starting job out of camp and did exactly 0 with it. Speaking of zeroes, he scored 0 in two of the games he started. In those 7 games, he committed a total of 3 fouls. By the way, most of the keyboard jockeys on this website, were clamoring from Dji to start from game #2. No offense to Noyes, but he reaped what he sowed (or didn't sow). We were a better team w/ Dji starting and Harris into the rotation. (who by the way wasn't in the rotation first 7 games...barely)
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I think I phrased things poorly - wasn’t trying to say Noyes deserved time over Dji after those first few games. Dji was clearly the better option and it was evident to everybody from the start.

I guess I was trying to say I hope that Mooney doesn’t have to resort to benching Tanner if he struggles early, because I think his development will be critical for us. Maybe the Noyes comparison wasn’t the best one to make.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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MDspider8 said:
Loving all the Tanner buzz. If he’s going to start at the 3, his only real competition for minutes will be Roche, and I’m hoping he gets some leeway to learn and grow compared to what we saw with Noyes last year. Hopefully our cushy non conference schedule will allow for that. Tanner has the opportunity to grow into a do it all-guy and X factor for us (good shooter, size & athleticism to be a good defender and contribute on the boards).
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I’m hoping he gets some leeway to learn and grow compared to what we saw with Noyes last year.

Huh? He was given the starting job out of camp and did exactly 0 with it. Speaking of zeroes, he scored 0 in two of the games he started. In those 7 games, he committed a total of 3 fouls. By the way, most of the keyboard jockeys on this website, were clamoring from Dji to start from game #2. No offense to Noyes, but he reaped what he sowed (or didn't sow). We were a better team w/ Dji starting and Harris into the rotation. (who by the way wasn't in the rotation first 7 games...barely)
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We have a very good football program

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Student attendance at football has been bad for at least 30-40 years with a few exceptions. Delaware box score indicates lower overall attendance than some other games. Was the crowd worse, is that accurate?

Also re: very good program. I guess it depends on how you define it. We were under Clawson, London and Rocco. Elite even. I'd call us good but you can't just look at JMU leaving and CAA, it's FCS in general. Changed dramatically. Weakened. Have to define us within that new dynamic. We should be doing better imo and we're worse in a weaker field. When was last time we won a playoff game beyond the prelim first round game? Some semantics but a very good program should be doing that imo.

A great win over Delaware tho and that's a step but margin for playoffs is still relatively small. Can't afford a hiccup. Let's see how it plays out.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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spiderstudent17 said:
What I love about defense compared to offense is that, in my eyes, defense is 80% toughness and 20% coaching. You can’t teach grit, tenacity, and a desire to play with that chip on your shoulder where no one is going to bully/embarrass you on the court.
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The other piece of defense is you have to have some athletic ability.

Will say I thought Bigs, Harris, and Dji probably had as good a combo of that mentality, length and athleticism as anyone we have this year so far. I think Hunt and Tyne have the ability and mentality, but will be affected at times by taller guards and switches. We really need Dusan/Glou/Tanner to bring that mentality. That could be a make or break from finishing 8th or 2nd in the A10.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

spiderstudent17
Coaching is certainly a big factor in defense, but another - arguably just as important if not more important - factor is the individual/team mentality of defense. As a player, you almost have to take it personally when someone out muscles you for a rebound or drives right past you for a lay-up. There needs to be a fire and mindset that even if all else fails that night (miss every shot, turn the ball over, etc.) that tenacity and physicality on defense is always going to be there. Hearing Walz mention rebounding/physicality being more of a focus for the team and that the intra-squad scrimmage was physical is a good sign that points in that direction, but we cannot allow any team to shoot 70%+ from the field against us and expect to win the game.

What I love about defense compared to offense is that, in my eyes, defense is 80% toughness and 20% coaching. You can’t teach grit, tenacity, and a desire to play with that chip on your shoulder where no one is going to bully/embarrass you on the court.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

spider23
JOC article mentioned B. Artis out with injury, but should be ready for opener I believe?

Wondering whoever saw the intrasquad scrimmage, if Glou played more like wing or interior player. Or does he seem to have the footspeed to cover smaller players anyway. I am hoping that Tanner's competitions is more Glou at the wing.

Again, between the complete unknown of Tanner and Dusan on Defense at the forward positions, combined with the lack of size/length to bother shooters of Tyne/Hunt - worried on defense. Looks like our Assist / TO ratio was pretty good. But wow on the FG % by ECU.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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So, just parsing all the info from the two threads to put pieces together.

Starters: Hunt, Tyne, Tanner, Nescovic, Walz
Backups mentioned (I didn't read article, don't have RTD access): GW3, Graham, Roche, AP, Beagle
Not mentioned: Soulis, Robinson, McGlothin, B. Artis (injured - DNP?)

Do we know if the groups were mingled and how much? Tough to tell by the fragmented minutes played. I would certainly have defensive questions about the 2nd group playing all together with the only known entity (Roche) not being known for defense, and all the others basically new to UR floortime and playing together in a game. First group should have more defensive cohesion with Nescovic the only newcomer and Tanner having had a year in the system. Presumably (except for Walz) the starters would have gotten more run during the first 4 quarters but any word on these types of things?
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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MDspider8 said:
Loving all the Tanner buzz. If he’s going to start at the 3, his only real competition for minutes will be Roche, and I’m hoping he gets some leeway to learn and grow compared to what we saw with Noyes last year. Hopefully our cushy non conference schedule will allow for that. Tanner has the opportunity to grow into a do it all-guy and X factor for us (good shooter, size & athleticism to be a good defender and contribute on the boards).
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If he is going to average 3 of 4 from 3 and 5 rebounds and 3 blocks every 22 minutes, he may be our 4…
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NCAA Settlement to Watch - Schools Pay Players

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spiderman said:
wonder how this affects the military schools.
Army and Navy are both D1 and both have over 25 guys on their roster. everyone in the academies is on "scholarship" in exchange for future service. are they really going to force those schools to cut 10 guys from the team? because that's just wrong.
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Did Navy have that many back in the CAA? I don’t remember that…
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

MDspider8
Loving all the Tanner buzz. If he’s going to start at the 3, his only real competition for minutes will be Roche, and I’m hoping he gets some leeway to learn and grow compared to what we saw with Noyes last year. Hopefully our cushy non conference schedule will allow for that. Tanner has the opportunity to grow into a do it all-guy and X factor for us (good shooter, size & athleticism to be a good defender and contribute on the boards).
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We have a very good football program

spiderstudent17
Ferrum Spider said:
There are SOME pros to this move. No more Flosports....and Georgetown ought to be a fun trip. Other than that though its atrocious and I cant hide my disgust with the lack of forward thinking here.

Shoulda re-started A10 football if we really wanted out. Hopefully when we realize the Patriot League wasn't what we thought it was, will restart A10 football. It happened with Lax, one can dream, because the reality is too sobering.

UR, UNH, Rhode Island, Maine, Nova, Fordham, Duquense would have been an excellent starting point. Maybe even convince Davidson and Dayton to go scholarship. It wouldn't be nearly as big of a downgrade were about to experience.
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I wonder if restarting A10 football was a consideration, and if so what was/is the barrier from it happening again? We have us, URI, Fordham, Duquesne as members and Dayton and Davidson if we include pioneer league. We would need to get only a few more associate members like you mention. Even if it’s a downgrade in competition from CAA, I’m sure there would’ve been less frustration from fans because we would be going back to our home league.
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We have a very good football program

Ferrum Spider
Gallipoli said:
I can't wait until we play the mighty Leopards of Lafayette. That will be a barn burner. Katy bar the door.
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There are SOME pros to this move. No more Flosports....and Georgetown ought to be a fun trip. Other than that though its atrocious and I cant hide my disgust with the lack of forward thinking here.

Shoulda re-started A10 football if we really wanted out. Hopefully when we realize the Patriot League wasn't what we thought it was, will restart A10 football. It happened with Lax, one can dream, because the reality is too sobering.

UR, UNH, Rhode Island, Maine, Nova, Fordham, Duquense would of been an excellent starting point. Maybe even convince Davidson and Dayton to go scholarship. It wouldn't be nearly as big of a downgrade were about to experience.
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