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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

spider23
Boy, I don't know, struggling to come to any conclusions on how you give up 75% 2pt fg shooting. Somehow they scored a lot of buckets from 2. My assumptions would be drives or post ups to shoot that high of a percentage. And again, I don't see Hunt and Tyne giving up drives to the bucket.
Hoping it was not Walz and Beagle getting worked.

In any case, hoping it can be chalked up to some sort of cosmic wrinkle in time, and not just poor defense on perimeter and wing. But I usually go for the logical explanation, an based on the roster make up that would be poor D from our wings. And the anonymous first hand poster, stated that Tanner's defense was not good. So all does lead me to ASSumptions :)
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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spider23 said:
I understand your position, and would love to see the tape of this scrimmage. Because we got a first hand report that they had a big guard that bullied us. And the 75% from 2 point range really really really indicates to me that we were getting blown by. Because as you have noted, teams don't shoot mid range any more. Even with Walz and Beagle solid down low, blow bys create a 2 v 1 against them. And I don't think Hunt and Tyne would give up blow bys. So somehow this mid/decent ECU team had dudes at the wing - it would seem.
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That's a lot of assuming. Are u saying they just had one guy consistent attack us and score at will because we didn't have a guy who could guard the 3? So, no one on our team could guard this one guy? Or, does ECU have some kind of amazing team where they hVe multiple wing guys who can light it up?
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

8legs1dream
brooklyn brownstone said:
a couple things:

10 of the 12 guys on preseason all A10 first and second teams are between 6'2" and 6'7" - the exceptions are Robbie Avila (6'10") and Posh Alexander (6'0"), and even the 6'2" dude is Reynolds from SJU who absolutely torched UR at Barclays late and is a tough matchup for any sized defender.
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You beat me to this so thanks for doing the research and discovering that not only do these type of players exist in the A10 (🤯🤯🤯) but they are everywhere.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

spider23
32counter said:

Jaylen Robinson - Men's Basketball - University of Richmond Athletics

Jaylen Robinson (24) Forward - HIGH SCHOOL • Graduated from DME Academy in Daytona Beach, Fla. • Played at Providence School through his junior year • Led Providence
richmondspiders.com richmondspiders.com

From the 5thQ on Saturday,this kid is a real player.
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Good stuff, I know Sec9 was really high on his performance at the NIL intrasquad scrimmage. His HS highlights he looks explosive to the rim. Looking forward to Jaylen working his way into some game minutes.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

spiderman
spider23 said:
Cayo guarded big forward. Cayo only shot from 10 feet and in. Cayo dunked with one step. Cayo boarded. Cayo was a big 4. If it quacks like a duck :).
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yeah, not everyone fits into one position. many can play 2. but Cayo was about as traditional an old school 4 as you'll find these days.

most of our forwards like Dusan, AP, McGlothin and Robinson can play either forward spot depending on who's on the court with them.
guys like Tanner and Roche can play the 3 or the 2 ... though both seem destined to play the small forward spot with 2 guards on the floor with them who would help with ball handling.

Walz is clearly a 5. Beagle ... tbd if he'll play some forward. but he looks like primarily (or totally) a 5 here. We'll see if Mooney plays him much with Walz. Soulis I think will be a guy who can swing between 4 and 5 like Grace did, if he ever gets on the floor.
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We have a very good football program

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SFspidur said:
I don't know if he had an ultimate goal for all sports, but no, the only thing under discussion at the time was football. A-10 as our primary home was not in question.

Even so, the circumstances are pretty different than 20 years ago...the CAA is not what it was and the Patriot has improved with scholarships now being offered.

Is it the right move? The jury's is still out for me, but the Patriot isn't doing anything to convince me so this year. The CAA has become so watered down, I understand the desire to make a move, and the hope was that Patriot would continue an upward trajectory, but at least this year it's just ugly. I agree with many that SoCon seemed like a better fit for football quality, but for whatever reason it didn't happen.

Rather than a Patriot move now, I would have been more inclined to wait it out a few more years until a potential CAA breakup or coordinate a group move with W&M and Villanova. There was no need to hurry and get ahead of things...can't do too much about FBS move-ups, but we would have been in a strong position for any FCS-oriented changes with the CAA.
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Never interrupt your enemy when their in the middle of making a mistake.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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brooklyn brownstone said:
a couple things:

10 of the 12 guys on preseason all A10 first and second teams are between 6'2" and 6'7" - the exceptions are Robbie Avila (6'10") and Posh Alexander (6'0"), and even the 6'2" dude is Reynolds from SJU who absolutely torched UR at Barclays late and is a tough matchup for any sized defender. So yeah, we do need some dudes to be defensive minded against bigger guards and wing spots. Especially considering our biggest guard of the 4 expected in the rotation is 6'0". I'm primarily concerned with our wings defending in space and getting beaten off the dribble leading to (as mentioned yesterday) recurrences of the flying dutchmen and mad scrambles on d.

I think the only way a very big lineup like against Iowa works - where Burton was at the 2 and Cayo the 3 - is if you have a PG like Gilyard who can handle all pressure by himself, never turn the ball over and play the entire game. I don't think anyone is a Gilyard level ball handler, game manager on this roster, so I think we will always have 2 traditional guards on the court. Whether that means a trickle down effect to only every having 1 traditional big (Walz/Beagle) play at a time remains to be seen, but I don't think we'll ever get any kind of jumbo team of say, a PG alongside Tanner/Dusan/Beagle/Walz.
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Tyne is so quick that he could be the one to handle pressure but sometime his dribbling could not keep up with his foot speed. He reminds me of Kendall Anthony in quickness. Now if his shooting and ball handling catches up to Kendall, we
will be in grat shape
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

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a couple things:

10 of the 12 guys on preseason all A10 first and second teams are between 6'2" and 6'7" - the exceptions are Robbie Avila (6'10") and Posh Alexander (6'0"), and even the 6'2" dude is Reynolds from SJU who absolutely torched UR at Barclays late and is a tough matchup for any sized defender. So yeah, we do need some dudes to be defensive minded against bigger guards and wing spots. Especially considering our biggest guard of the 4 expected in the rotation is 6'0". I'm primarily concerned with our wings defending in space and getting beaten off the dribble leading to (as mentioned yesterday) recurrences of the flying dutchmen and mad scrambles on d.

I think the only way a very big lineup like against Iowa works - where Burton was at the 2 and Cayo the 3 - is if you have a PG like Gilyard who can handle all pressure by himself, never turn the ball over and play the entire game. I don't think anyone is a Gilyard level ball handler, game manager on this roster, so I think we will always have 2 traditional guards on the court. Whether that means a trickle down effect to only every having 1 traditional big (Walz/Beagle) play at a time remains to be seen, but I don't think we'll ever get any kind of jumbo team of say, a PG alongside Tanner/Dusan/Beagle/Walz.
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Mens 2024 - 2025 Polls/Rankings/Awards

spiderstudent17
Very interesting article where A10 commissioner, Bernadette, sits down and talks to A10Talk about a variety of things including: thoughts on scheduling alliances and strategies for getting better games scheduled, potential A10 expansion candidates, specialty match-ups to celebrate A10 50th anniversary next season.

www.a10talk.com

Scheduling, expansion and more: an exclusive conversation with Atlantic 10 commissioner Bernadette McGlade

Atlantic 10 commissioner Bernadette McGlade addressed the future of the conference in an exclusive interview with A10Talk.
www.a10talk.com www.a10talk.com

As far as scheduling alliances go, I would love for us to have alliances with one or more of these conferences in this order: New Pac 12, AAC, new MWC, WCC, MVFC.

As far as expansion candidates, I think the only two we should entertain the idea of them joining are Charleston and Wichita State

I like that Bernadette is trying to be proactive in thinking about how A10 can position itself as the best mid major conferences in a day-and-age where power conferences are trying to take over (Taking from MWC and AAC). Trying to have more neutral site games or even doing our own MTE are interesting ideas.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

8legs1dream
spider23 said:
My suggestion, and this would work much better if you were old like most of the guys on this board - or a lot of guys on this board: Print yourself a laminated name tag, and get a lanyard to attach it, get an NCAA graphic, and put your title as NCAA Compliance Officer. Dress Shoes, Grey Dress Pants, Light Blue Dress Shirt. Maybe a notebook and pen, or tablet with an NCAA property sticker. Walk right in like you own the place. If anyone challenges you dress them down immediately and ask for their credentials.

See you inside.
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I was just going to try to get in there posing as a janitor, I like your plan much more 😆
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

GKiller
97spiderfan said:
I don't. Only time Mooney really played 2 bigs at once were Grace/Quinn a couple years ago. I wouldn't say that experience has me clamouring for more of the 2 big line up. Beagle to me is more of the ideal big for Mooney, a big man that can operate and distribute out of the high post than is Walz. Walz has his own set of skills though and I really like the interior toughness and strength he will bring.
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spider23 said:
Well, the two big lineups that were very successful both on O and D were Golden and Cayo. As others have pointed out Grace is not a guy that can chase and guard the perimeter. Hoping with the talk of Beagle's quickness he can play some 4 - though not a proven shooter at all.
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I don't really consider Cayo a traditional Spider big. Yes frontcourt & a non shooter for us but he could guard wings defensively and could handle ball a bit too.

But the time it did work was Grace/Golden. We used that big combo down the stetch in A10 tourney and into Iowa game in 22-23'. so it worked at the best possible time. But a small sample and overall I wouldn't say it worked well the other very few times we've seen it under Moon.

idk how much we'll see Beagle & Walz together, probably not a lot. But I'm anticipating more than in the past w 2 traditional bigs mainly because I think those 2 are 2 of our better players and u like to get best players on court more often. u can't force it tho so I agree it will depend on whether Beags can defend the "4"...even tho 3 and 4's no longer exist anywhere on the court!
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

spider23
SFspidur said:
"Individuals other than athletics department staff members and those necessary to conduct a basketball practice scrimmage against outside competition may not be present during such a scrimmage. The institution shall ensure that the scrimmage is free from public view."

Gonna need to Mission Impossible yourself inside, 324.
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My suggestion, and this would work much better if you were old like most of the guys on this board - or a lot of guys on this board: Print yourself a laminated name tag, and get a lanyard to attach it, get an NCAA graphic, and put your title as NCAA Compliance Officer. Dress Shoes, Grey Dress Pants, Light Blue Dress Shirt. Maybe a notebook and pen, or tablet with an NCAA property sticker. Walk right in like you own the place. If anyone challenges you dress them down immediately and ask for their credentials.

See you inside.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

spider23
97spiderfan said:
I don't. Only time Mooney really played 2 bigs at once were Grace/Quinn a couple years ago. I wouldn't say that experience has me clamouring for more of the 2 big line up. Beagle to me is more of the ideal big for Mooney, a big man that can operate and distribute out of the high post than is Walz. Walz has his own set of skills though and I really like the interior toughness and strength he will bring.
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Well, the two big lineups that were very successful both on O and D were Golden and Cayo. As others have pointed out Grace is not a guy that can chase and guard the perimeter. Hoping with the talk of Beagle's quickness he can play some 4 - though not a proven shooter at all.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

spider23
VT4700 said:
If there is any position where we lack some defense, I would want it to be on the wing. That is not where most top scorers are. An opposing team can take advantage of you having a lack of a big underneath, or a lack of quickness at the guard spot, but we have those. The wing? Again, I don't see very many 6'7 or even 6'6 type wings we need to worry about this year. I think our guards have proved they can handle guards a little taller than them. And, if not, and we face a taller stud out there, we can do some switching around if we have too.
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I understand your position, and would love to see the tape of this scrimmage. Because we got a first hand report that they had a big guard that bullied us. And the 75% from 2 point range really really really indicates to me that we were getting blown by. Because as you have noted, teams don't shoot mid range any more. Even with Walz and Beagle solid down low, blow bys create a 2 v 1 against them. And I don't think Hunt and Tyne would give up blow bys. So somehow this mid/decent ECU team had dudes at the wing - it would seem.
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Secret Scrimmage vs ECU 90-90

97spiderfan
spiderman said:
are you still thinking Walz and Beagle play much together? based on minutes, I don't think they overlapped at all in the scrimmage.
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I don't. Only time Mooney really played 2 bigs at once were Grace/Quinn a couple years ago. I wouldn't say that experience has me clamouring for more of the 2 big line up. Beagle to me is more of the ideal big for Mooney, a big man that can operate and distribute out of the high post than is Walz. Walz has his own set of skills though and I really like the interior toughness and strength he will bring.
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We have a very good football program

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GKiller said:
Student attendance at football has been bad for at least 30-40 years with a few exceptions. Delaware box score indicates lower overall attendance than some other games. Was the crowd worse, is that accurate?

Also re: very good program. I guess it depends on how you define it. We were under Clawson, London and Rocco. Elite even. I'd call us good but you can't just look at JMU leaving and CAA, it's FCS in general. Changed dramatically. Weakened. Have to define us within that new dynamic. We should be doing better imo and we're worse in a weaker field. When was last time we won a playoff game beyond the prelim first round game? Some semantics but a very good program should be doing that imo.

A great win over Delaware tho and that's a step but margin for playoffs is still relatively small. Can't afford a hiccup. Let's see how it plays out.
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In regards to Saturday's crowd it seemed very similar to the last several seasons of home games (very small crowd) which is not really surprising but a little sad considering that the opponent was an undefeated old rival. Delaware did bring a solid group (I sat next to some Hen's fans...nice, knowledgeable folks). At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the stadium was completely empty at kickoff (It's felt that way for a few years honestly). From the Athletic Department's standpoint I'm not sure you could have asked for a better day from the amazing weather and even VA Tech having played on Thursday night and UVA on the road earlier at noon in terms of non-competing local football interest.
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