VT4700 said:

It doesn't bug me. Just saying you were getting on Mooney for something that would show most coaches out there doing the same....getting more of their wins against the bottom teams. Duh???

Okay, so u expect NCAA bids, A-10 regular season titles, and A-10 tourney titles, and say seasons are bad if this doesn't happen. I doubt a lot of coaches would do this a lot, but whatever. As good as Dayton has been, Grant has 1 regular season title, no tourney titles, and 1 NCAA bid ( 2 without covid) in 7 years. Odom didn't do any of these last year, Mooney did, but Odom still got all the praise and Mooney got criticized. It is what it is on here. You and others want to act like 2020 didn't exist. I really enjoyed that year. You and others want to act like 2022 was some lucky hot streak. Again, I enjoyed that year a lot. You and others want to act like last year was not successful and was meaningless because we didn't go dancing. I loved our season last year and really enjoyed watching our games. So, whatever, I have no desire to go back and forth here with you. I think we have had 3 successful seasons in the last 5. You obviously don't. I would take that 5 year stretch ( regular season title, tourney title, 24, 24, and 23 win seasons, dance win over Iowa) everytime. You obviously wouldn't. I don't whine and make numerous negative posts about our coach everytime we have a rough stretch, while never praising a great stretch. You do. So, we can just disagree on everything and move on.

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great stuff.

because I have high expectations that are in line with the entire industry that follows college basketball, doesn't mean I don't enjoy things that happen along the way.

I just happen to believe those things can and should be more frequent given the resources and commitment given to the coach. You can have your own goalposts and celebrate what you like however you like, you probably really enjoyed how the Bucknell game went to overtime because it was extra hoops. Great, good for you. Personally, I would enjoy things more if UR won at a higher clip and IMO there is no reason UR shouldn't win at that clip.

There is a clear pattern of mediocrity here. It's not going anywhere. You support it. You have no expectations. You are the issue.

We're 4 games in and my enthusiasm for caring about what the rest of the A-10 is doing is already gone.

Anyway, GW remained unbeaten tonight by rolling over a winless NJIT squad, 84–64.

Assuming a win over W&M, Herder's bracketology has us as the 7-seed bye hosting the winner of Rhode Island-Lehigh. I'd absolutely take that.

Championships are built on beating the bottom and splitting with the top. Harder to do with these huge conferences. Don't always get a chance for the split because you don't play everyone H/H.

urfan1 said:

I have seen AP when he is "on", when he is he can shoot!

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Must of been against our defense

Eight Legger said:

What is Roumoglou supposed to be good at? So far, shooting is not it. Rebounding I guess?

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I have seen AP when he is "on", when he is he can shoot!

So, we are a mess right now on offense. We have a bunch of guys who really don't know the system very well and some guys that don't really fit the system very well (with some overlap of the groups) and add some guys that probably know it and fit it, but simply are not playing well right now. I think the reason we go so bad in these circumstances over the years is that Moon is so committed to the system and especially the no mistakes aspect of it that guys aren't really looking to make plays, they are looking to run the offense "correctly" and not turn it over etc. We need guys to play freer and looser. id also press some with tyne. white, hunt and tanner on thr flor to tr and get some easy offense in transtion etc. No saying there is any great hope, but id try!

It doesn't bug me. Just saying you were getting on Mooney for something that would show most coaches out there doing the same....getting more of their wins against the bottom teams. Duh???

Okay, so u expect NCAA bids, A-10 regular season titles, and A-10 tourney titles, and say seasons are bad if this doesn't happen. I doubt a lot of coaches would do this a lot, but whatever. As good as Dayton has been, Grant has 1 regular season title, no tourney titles, and 1 NCAA bid ( 2 without covid) in 7 years. Odom didn't do any of these last year, Mooney did, but Odom still got all the praise and Mooney got criticized. It is what it is on here. You and others want to act like 2020 didn't exist. I really enjoyed that year. You and others want to act like 2022 was some lucky hot streak. Again, I enjoyed that year a lot. You and others want to act like last year was not successful and was meaningless because we didn't go dancing. I loved our season last year and really enjoyed watching our games. So, whatever, I have no desire to go back and forth here with you. I think we have had 3 successful seasons in the last 5. You obviously don't. I would take that 5 year stretch ( regular season title, tourney title, 24, 24, and 23 win seasons, dance win over Iowa) everytime. You obviously wouldn't. I don't whine and make numerous negative posts about our coach everytime we have a rough stretch, while never praising a great stretch. You do. So, we can just disagree on everything and move on.

spider23 said:

Yep I have been a little critical of Quinn in the past, but he had a skill level, and though not that athletic he was 7 feet tall with competitiveness and love of the game.

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He was also (and by a pretty fair margin) the best low post defender we have had in awhile (at least since Barrett). He wasn't a shot blocker but he really knew how to defend by doing all the non-athletic things (e.g. beat the person to the spot he wants, defend from the proper angle for the entry pass they want etc.) that can make you a good defender even without super athletism.

brooklyn brownstone said:

He feeds on the bottom, loses to the top, trades with the rest. It's mooniocrity.

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FIFY

VT4700 said:

Kind of a strange way to make a point. Any coach would have a way worse conference record if u didn't count wins against 3 of the worst conference teams.

Everyone loves drooling over Ryan Odom on here. VCU went 11-7 in the A-10 last year. 6-1 against the bottom 6 teams and 5-6 against the top 9 teams.

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OK if that bugs you, I invite you to check Moon's record if you lop off Moon's record against the 3 bottom feeders (his record gets worse) but then also lop it off against the top 3 A10 teams (his record gets better) for fairness.

Some math guy here will tell me if that is correct methodology. I'm pretty sure that what you're going to get is a coach sniffing .500. He feeds on the bottom, loses to the top, trades with the rest. It's mediocrity.

I'll rehash this nugget that I posted back a couple of years ago. Tell me why we should expect anything different going forward from a Chris Mooney team. He's a nice guy, runs a clean program. But we know what we will get.

1st 6 year cycle (aka Geriot cycle) - Winning % .562
This is Year 1 through Geriot's graduation. bc year 1 was a massive program overhaul year, I extended it to 6 years to give Moon the benefit of his first recruiting class (which included Geriot) going all the way through to graduation.
2 NCAAs, 1 A10 Tournament title, 0 A10 Regular Season titles.
Key players: Geriot, Anderson, Harper, Gonzalvez, Butler, Brothers.
Note: NCAAs were in years 5 and 6 of the cycle.

2nd 5 year cycle - Winning % .548
5 years for a graduation cycle plus a redshirt/transfer in year.
0 NCAAs, 0 A10 Tournament titles, 0 A10 Regular Season titles.
Key players: Lindsay, Brothers, Anthony, Allen, Jones, Cline.
Note: 1st team left out of NCAAs in year 4 of the cycle.

3rd 6 year cycle (aka Golden/Sherod cycle) - Winning %.570
Extended to 6 years bc of COVID shortened year extended the graduation cycle by a year.
1 NCAA, 1 A10 Tournament title, 0 A10 Regular Season titles.
Key players: Cline, Jones, Buckingham, Sherod, Fore, Golden, Gilyard, Cayo, Burton.
Note: NCAA was in year 6 of the cycle.

4th cycle - started in 2022 (now in year 3) - Current winning % .570 (As of 11/18/24. does not include games coached by P. Thomas)
1 A10 reg. season co-championship
0 NCAAs
0 A10 quarterfinals wins
Key players: Burton, King, Quinn

Amazingly consistent. But unlike the last cycle, I don't see on the current roster the likes of Gilyard, Golden or Cayo as sophomores, rising talents that promise hope for the future.

We know what we have, we know what we will get. But cycles are shorter now because no one has to sit out after transferring. So this should only be a 4 year cycle. Next year is the final year of the post-NCAA cycle. What NCAA results will we have to show for it?

This kid will start for UR next year…

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VT4700 said:

Kind of a strange way to make a point. Any coach would have a way worse conference record if u didn't count wins against 3 of the worst conference teams.

Everyone loves drooling over Ryan Odom on here. VCU went 11-7 in the A-10 last year. 6-1 against the bottom 6 teams and 5-6 against the top 9 teams.

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No comparison bud.

Spiderwiz said:

i just find it fascinating situation for a candidate's spouse, let alone for that of a former president's spouse. She was paid to shill for him and his grifts?

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She's always gotten paid. Especially before she got married.

SpiderGuy said:

From what I've seen of both careers, I think I'd take Odom as a coach over Moon. Odom seems to have the potential & ability to get to the upside. Moon is Moon, & 20 years says so. What you've seen is all you are going to get.

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in a few years he will be at a P5 and Mooney will still be cashing checks here.

kneepadmckinney said:

They are choosing to redshirt. That is way different than "can't play on this team."

There's lots to criticize about this team and the coaching this year. We don't need to manufacture other stuff.

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Who are the last talented players who “chose” to redshirt?

SFspidur said:

Yeah, I don’t know… there was some consolidation as the ORV category dropped from 25 teams to 20 between preseason and last week. Maybe we didn’t beat Temple by enough? Maybe some coaches like to make a few dark horse picks in the preseason to make a statement and then go with more traditional picks once games start?

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Yeah, it just seems odd. Usually, teams don't drop in the polls if they win, and we had good wins and/or convincing/dominating wins!

Could not find the link to this, but here is the AGS poll for this week.

AGS Poll Results 2024 Week 12​

11/18/2024

Rank​	Team:​	Total Points​	First Place Votes​
1​	North Dakota State Bison	1031​	23​
2​	Montana State Bobcats	1023​	19​
3​	South Dakota State Jackrabbits	970​
4​	South Dakota Coyotes	902​
5​	UC Davis Aggies	893​
6​	Incarnate Word Cardinals	800​
7​	Idaho Vandals	792​
8​	Mercer Bears	761​
9​	Richmond Spiders	711​
10​	Montana Grizzlies	636​
11​	Rhode Island Rams	613​
12​	Abilene Christian Wildcats	555​
13​	Southeast Missouri State Redhawks	527​
14​	Illinois State Redbirds	432​
15​	Villanova Wildcats	424​
16​	Tarleton Texans	391​
17​	Missouri State Bears	359​
18​	Harvard Crimson	283​
19​	Northern Arizona Lumberjacks	256​
20​	New Hampshire Wildcats	201​
21​	Stony Brook Seawolves	182​
22​	Eastern Kentucky Colonels	173​
23​	Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks	158​
24​	Duquesne Dukes	157​
25​	Tennessee State Tigers	90​
	ORV:
26​	Southern Utah Thunderbirds	51​
27T​	Jackson State Tigers	50​
27T​	South Carolina State Bulldogs	50​
29​	Chattanooga Mocs	43​
30​	William & Mary Tribe	40​
31​	East Tennessee State Buccaneers	21​
32T​	Southeastern Louisiana Lions	18​
32T​	Western Carolina Catamounts	18​
34​	North Carolina Central Eagles	13​
35​	Lehigh Mountain Hawks	11​
36​	North Dakota Fighting Hawks	8​
37​	Dartmouth Big Green	3​
38T​	Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks	2​
38T​	Towson Tigers	2​
	Most Significant Win:	Abilene Christian Wildcats
	Most Significant Loss:	Villanova Wildcats

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Our mission, then, is to come out and support the team! Believe me, their passion and chemistry far outweigh the men's chemistry at this junction. They are a lot of fun! Come out and support them! If you haven't been, I guarantee you'll enjoy it!

VT4700 said:

Kind of a strange way to make a point. Any coach would have a way worse conference record if u didn't count wins against 3 of the worst conference teams.

Everyone loves drooling over Ryan Odom on here. VCU went 11-7 in the A-10 last year. 6-1 against the bottom 6 teams and 5-6 against the top 9 teams.

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From what I've seen of both careers, I think I'd take Odom as a coach over Moon. Odom seems to have the potential & ability to get to the upside. Moon is Moon, & 20 years says so. What you've seen is all you are going to get.

I know comments made about job security as an appealing reason to keep Coach Roussell were made in jest because of Mooney's 10 year contract, but I think that could be one of our selling points (job security, not giving out another 10 year contract). At the end of the day, we have no idea what his aspirations are, or what his family might want that factors in decision-making. But I've seen coaches from other teams I follow and support leave to try and go to bigger name programs and then underperform by those standards and ultimately get fired/become irrelevant after a few years. So the coach went from being beloved by a fanbase and having practically job security for life, to chasing a bigger team and then underperforming and getting fired. The grass isn't always greener. Not saying one approach is better than the other, but its something to think about. Same way Dan Hurley didn't want to leave UConn for the Lakers. I thought that was a great decision on his part. As far as I'm concerned, as long as Coach Roussell continues to do what he's doing (and I don't see any reason why that wouldn't be the case) he doesn't have to worry about job security. And as many discuss, UR tends to have longer leashes for coaches if they underperform.

Obviously, we should pay Coach Roussell whatever we can afford. The A10 is a very good basketball league and I am sure there is something appealing as a coach to try and be the next "Geno Auriemma" in the sense that one builds and maintains a program at national prominence. Coach Roussell is certainly continuing to build our brand and national reputation. Other than A10 basketball getting better as a conference, there's a lot to love about UR and the city of Richmond that I don't need to tell anyone on this forum. There's also a lot of good recruiting talent in the greater Richmond and Virginia area. For instance, Sanai Green is class of 2026 and top 30 high school recruit from Richmond. If we can get home grown talent and continue to build the program as we have, I don't see why we can't become a top 25 caliber program. We really need to give Coach Roussell whatever resources/NIL he wants to succeed. In my eyes, he is the best coach we have at UR right now across all sports. I hope he loves it here because we love having him here and this is his team for as long as he wants it to be. Richmond is a special place and there's no reason why we can't become a top women's basketball program in the country given A10 pedigree and recruiting in this region.

mr.spider said:

But we still lost votes since pre-season polls, right? After winning @Temple?

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Yeah, I don’t know… there was some consolidation as the ORV category dropped from 25 teams to 20 between preseason and last week. Maybe we didn’t beat Temple by enough? Maybe some coaches like to make a few dark horse picks in the preseason to make a statement and then go with more traditional picks once games start?