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With one spot open for 20-21 team, who do you take (current options)

  • Joe Pridgen - Transfer Holy Cross - 3 yrs eligibility

    Votes: 7 17.9%

  • Allen Bertrand - Transfer Towson - 2 yrs eligibility

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Dijion Bailey -2020 Wake signee that withdrew

    Votes: 24 61.5%

  • No one. Keep the spot until next year

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .
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I saw a post on the Recruiting Tracker asking which of 2 players should be targeted, but no specifics. I thought the right question to ask was who should fill the now open roster spot and since the spot could be filled by a transfer also I thought the best thing to do was to take a poll.
 
I like all 3 of these guys. But to me, I would give preference to transfers who have already shown they can play and put up big numbers at this level. Of those, I like the kid from Towson, I think he compliments our offensive system the best.

Again, thinking back just a few years ago when we were signing guys like Schneider, Verbinksis, and AJ Ford, none of which had any type of pedigree to suggest they would be impact players here and now seeing us offer guys like this. Mooney still has to do finish, but you can't get A level recruits by only offering C level players.
 
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Bertrand is definitely the type of guy I was targetting originally when this spot came open: A sit out one year, but come in with proven production at the guard spot. We will be replacing a ton of production at the guard spot in 21-22. Maybe Gus will develop his shot some more. Is Crabtree that guy? Can Wilson develop into a ready replacement for Gilly? A lot of questions in the back court following this year.
 
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Spiders05 said:
I really like Bailey's game. Think Pridgen serves a more immediate need for us. Perhaps the best thing is we couldn't go wrong with any of the choices?
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I agree with the 3 players, but I think that leaving the spot open is the wrong thing to do. Hope Spiders land one of these options versus having yet another spot to add to the 5 coming in 21-22.
 
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Agree, any of these guys fits for the roster as opposed to holding the slot I think. Yes, a good grad transfer next year at a position of need would be nice, but I'm in '97 camp if good players are available and willing let's sign em up.
Another thing is: Strike while the iron is hot!! Despite not making the NCAA (who knows?), and not having done so in quite a while - all the pre-season hype and rankings from legit sources has us at our peak Q rating. I'm sure that is a big selling point right now: Check out Goodman's ranking - We are 14 and building, oh and by the way scroll down...keep scrolling...yep there is our opponent next year Kentucky. If Golden breaks his ankle, we lose to Detroit Mercy and Kentucky beats us by 35 - there goes that bubble. Need to continue to accumulate talent for the next run, and hopefully stay good in 21-22 while reloading. Hopefully we can sign one of these three, and a '21 stud soon. That would be ideal.
 
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I think right now a lot of these transfers will see we are a preseason top team with a lot of hype and that we will have all 5 starting spots available. That’s a direct path for quick playing time but on the flip side they could see all 5 starters leaving and think that even if they come and start immediately there will need to be 4 other new starters and that things could get ugly.

I’m hoping more of them see that first one!
 
Definitely Betrand. We will need shooters in 2 years and he shot 38.7 from 3 and 88.6 from the FT line last year. He has good size, and averaged 13.6 for a pretty good Towson team playing in a decent conference. I am not as sold on the other 2 guys. Pridgen did not shoot a lot of 3s, played on a real bad team, and only shot 58% from the FT line, and Bailey seems like more of an unknown whose only P6 offer was from Wake. The other 2 might be good ones, but Betrand has already shown he is a good one.
 
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VT4700 said:
Definitely Betrand. We will need shooters in 2 years and he shot 38.7 from 3 and 88.6 from the FT line last year. He has good size, and averaged 13.6 for a pretty good Towson team playing in a decent conference. I am not as sold on the other 2 guys. Pridgen did not shoot a lot of 3s, played on a real bad team, and only shot 58% from the FT line, and Bailey seems like more of an unknown whose only P6 offer was from Wake. The other 2 might be good ones, but Betrand has already shown he is a good one.
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IMO Pridgen has already proven he’s better than Bertrand
 
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plydogg said:
IMO Pridgen has already proven he’s better than Bertrand
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Agreed. Pridgen was a freshman too so getting a guy for 3 years has a lot more value than someone with 2 imo. He was ROY in league I think his year was more impressive, hard to come into any league and score like that. His 2 pt and 3 pt shooting was better, granted much smaller sample on the 3 ball. He was up to 62% FT% in league play, I expect that will keep trending up.

Betrand looks like a legit player too. I believe he's deciding Saturday so we'll know soon. I just don't see that one going our way, simply a gut feeling. VT4700 may have inside info I don't know. I'm leaning to Bailey or Pridgen. I like Bailey as well and he was my vote fwiw. Will be interesting if Mooney lands any of them. Can't get them on campus but that's the way it is for everybody. Mooney has always stressed needing to get them on campus, of course Mooney took UR job site unseen if anyone can convince a recruit of the same it should be Moon, theoretically.
 
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GKiller said:
Agreed. Pridgen was a freshman too so getting a guy for 3 years has a lot more value than someone with 2 imo. He was ROY in league I think his year was more impressive, hard to come into any league and score like that. His 2 pt and 3 pt shooting was better, granted much smaller sample on the 3 ball. He was up to 62% FT% in league play, I expect that will keep trending up.

Betrand looks like a legit player too. I believe he's deciding Saturday so we'll know soon. I just don't see that one going our way, simply a gut feeling. VT4700 may have inside info I don't know. I'm leaning to Bailey or Pridgen. I like Bailey as well and he was my vote fwiw. Will be interesting if Mooney lands any of them. Can't get them on campus but that's the way it is for everybody. Mooney has always stressed needing to get them on campus, of course Mooney took UR job site unseen if anyone can convince a recruit of the same it should be Moon, theoretically.
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Sorry to disappoint, but no inside info. I just like the looks of Betrand, and think his year for an 19 win Towson team from a better conference was better than Pridgen's year for a 3 win Holy Cross team. I bet Wojcik could have averaged 17 a game for Holy Cross this year. Pridgen may turn out to be a good one, but I think Betrand is the more proven player and would be a better option to help us right away in 2 years. We will need 3-point shooters, and not only did he make over 38% from 3 on 46-119 shooting , but he was 78 - 88 from the line for over 88% there. And, he has faced better competition.
 
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VT4700 said:
Sorry to disappoint, but no inside info. I just like the looks of Betrand, and think his year for an 19 win Towson team from a better conference was better than Pridgen's year for a 3 win Holy Cross team. I bet Wojcik could have averaged 17 a game for Holy Cross this year. Pridgen may turn out to be a good one, but I think Betrand is the more proven player and would be a better option to help us right away in 2 years. We will need 3-point shooters, and not only did he make over 38% from 3 on 46-119 shooting , but he was 78 - 88 from the line for over 88% there. And, he has faced better competition.
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Comp was marginally better see league ratings and sos. Pridgen did it all as frosh & I imagine had everyone game planning him on that team. He did not get the extra year to make improvement jump like Betrand which is big factor too imo. No big deal we all can view it differently.

Too bad inside info is the best kind. I recall u saying a few times on here how u talk to recruits.
 
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Good arguments here. I like all three. Originally voted for Bailey. If the intention is to bring in a guy so that we can remain near the top of the A10 in 21-22, then I am thinking Bertrand may be the best guy. I like his shooting splits (THEY (whoever they are) say FT% is a really good indicator of future shooting success - i.e. moving up to NBA or whatever the jump might be). The greatest driver in my mind, is that I am thinking this Bertrand is more of a true 2 guard, whereas Pridgen and Dji seem more like wings. Not really sure how all compare on this front - and Bertrand did not have great TO numbers. But if looking at 21-22 success, we will need a guard that can step in and score and hopefully handle the ball well too. I think we should be in really good shape at the wing (Crabtree, Burton and even Gus) but guard is where it would be great to plug in a proven entity.
 
I always lean towards shooters, so I have Betrand over Pridgen. but Cayo proves there's more than one way to be effective. both are good players.

they appear more advanced than what I've seen from Bailey but they should as he hasn't been in college yet. he looks smooth and long. I think he'll develop into a really good one.

can't lose with any of these 3.
 
GKiller said:
Comp was marginally better see league ratings and sos. Pridgen did it all as frosh & I imagine had everyone game planning him on that team. He did not get the extra year to make improvement jump like Betrand which is big factor too imo. No big deal we all can view it differently.

Too bad inside info is the best kind. I recall u saying a few times on here how u talk to recruits.
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All good by me to view it differently. Normal to have different opinions out there about these guys. Look at the poll. 14 Bailey, 6 Pridgen, and 4 Betrand. I would take any of them, and can see why people have made a case for the others, but I just like Betrand better. I don't talk to all these recruits out there. I know mostly AAU coaches and sometimes talk with them about stuff, but no inside info on where guys are going.
 
Flip Flop.

I want to change my vote - please submit two votes for Betrand.

Watched some h.s. highlights out there. Big physical guard with athleticism - physically looks like a Gonzo type with more hops. Put that 88% FT to good use. I have most confidence that this guy would be good A10 level contributor from Day 1. Still will be happy with Pridgen and Dji - both look like excellent talents. But, Betrand is the fit for our future roster.
 
All have their merits for sure. Betrand reminds me a little of a righty version of Malcom Bernard tho Betrand looks to be a better outside shooter. I'm just hopeful we're possibly filling all our ships and I think a sit our transfer is beneficial for a 13th spot though I'd take Bailey as a true fresh in a sec too. Betrand also has the Philly connection UR athletics nauseating loves. And the spider logo was listed first on his final 6 photoshop! Nonetheless I say he's going URI, on no good reason except URI has seemed to become transfer U.
 
yes, URI is churning like freaking crazy last two years. Is it the Fatts effect? If I am a top recruit, looking at best opportunity in 21-22 and beyond, I think we look pretty decent out of that group. URI - who knows with transfer U? Depaul is Depaul - welcome to BE bottom feeder, and no idea who will be coach in a year. Dayton - tough to compete with, but they have three pretty well thought of big guards in '20 class coming in. Minny - little slicky. Butler - Don't know.
 
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yes, URI is churning like freaking crazy last two years. Is it the Fatts effect? If I am a top recruit, looking at best opportunity in 21-22 and beyond, I think we look pretty decent out of that group. URI - who knows with transfer U? Depaul is Depaul - welcome to BE bottom feeder, and no idea who will be coach in a year. Dayton - tough to compete with, but they have three pretty well thought of big guards in '20 class coming in. Minny - little slicky. Butler - Don't know.
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These are all the exact type of schools we should be competing against for all of our recruits. If Mooney wants to take a flyer on 1 under recruited kid in this next 5 man class, that is fine, but no more than that. We need to be puffing our chest right now with our most recent season and expectations for next season and going after the best talent we can get.
 
Man it feels so nice to have 3 potential recruits and want all of them. Seems like for 5-6 years there would three recruits and we wouldn’t think any of them would be good enough to be A10 players. The recruiting seems to have really stepped up the past 3-5 years
 
Well one choice is no longer available. Can’t see an option to close the poll earlier. I had no idea that one choice would make his decision so soon.

Still hope UR fills the spot this year.
 
Still time to get back on the pridgen or Bailey bandwagon where u guys should have been all along.
 
So any transfer who sits out a year is still part of next years team right? I mean they will be able to say they were part of our 1st NCAA championship title...
 
Pridgen could be a 3 year starter here. my issue isn't with him as much as who we put around him. can we win with him if we don't fill the roster around him with some shooters?

I worry about roster composition. our great teams seem to always have great perimeter shooting. we currently have 3 pure shooters hitting a high percentage from 3 on heavy volume. and they're not toeing the line. they've got real range. that works. but they're seniors.

I don't see any of the guys on the roster ... except possibly Crabtree ... becoming high percentage high volume distance shooters. Betrand could have been that guy. Bailey might be. or if we land Pridgen we can address it heavily in the next class. but we need shooters.
 
Sman, what is your thought on roster fit with Pridgen? You mention he might be a 3 year starter - BUT in my mind he is really fighting for the same spot as Crabtree and Burton - Wing. I see Crabtree as a 2/3 type and Burton is a 3/4. I would definitely bring in Pridgen if possible, but not sure there is a spot wide open as both Connor and Tyler would be established juniors in 21-22.
That was one reason thought Betrand was excellend fit, thought he seemed like a more pure 2 guard - Darien Brothers/Gonzo type.
 
spiderman said:
Pridgen could be a 3 year starter here. my issue isn't with him as much as who we put around him. can we win with him if we don't fill the roster around him with some shooters?

I worry about roster composition. our great teams seem to always have great perimeter shooting. we currently have 3 pure shooters hitting a high percentage from 3 on heavy volume. and they're not toeing the line. they've got real range. that works. but they're seniors.

I don't see any of the guys on the roster ... except possibly Crabtree ... becoming high percentage high volume distance shooters. Betrand could have been that guy. Bailey might be. or if we land Pridgen we can address it heavily in the next class. but we need shooters.
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Agree. That is why I was hoping Wojcik would stay. The 3 point shot will always be a huge part of any offense. Teams that cannot shoot it, like Virginia this year, need to pretty much be perfect at everything else to win. Virginia found a way this year, but they were obviously the exception, and no other team would have been able to find a way to win the games they did while shooting so poorly from 3. We have to get some shooters in here in 2 years. Have to.
 
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spider23 said:
Sman, what is your thought on roster fit with Pridgen? You mention he might be a 3 year starter - BUT in my mind he is really fighting for the same spot as Crabtree and Burton - Wing. I see Crabtree as a 2/3 type and Burton is a 3/4. I would definitely bring in Pridgen if possible, but not sure there is a spot wide open as both Connor and Tyler would be established juniors in 21-22.
That was one reason thought Betrand was excellend fit, thought he seemed like a more pure 2 guard - Darien Brothers/Gonzo type.
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to give them numbers when on the floor together, I think Pridgen would play the 3 with Crabtree at the 2 and Burton the 4.
we might be a little light on ball handling. add Weir and Wilson, and I just don't see enough shooting range.
I agree Betrand did fit.
I also think Bailey fits and helps with ball handling. he was a PG before growing to 6'5". with him, he'd be the 2 with Crabtree the 3. not sure if Bailey's a lights out shooter. looks like more of a slasher and distributor like Goose. form looks ok though for high school. will need to see more.
 
Makes sense on positions - but have to see if Crabtree can really play the 2 guard (ballhandling, can he stay in front of the quick guards,etc) and Burton will have to improve his 3pt %. I think Burton can do it, but so far not consistent enough in that dept.
I agree, hard to tell if Bailey is a pure shooter, and how shot will translate to college game at this point. Think we really need to add a shooter/scorer that can contribute and stretch the floor in 21-22.
 
spider23 said:
Ok I change my vote back to the original
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23!! What is going on? Voting twice, changing your vote, harvesting votes, are you a Democrat now? Lol. I agree that any of the 3 would be fine. Nice to have choices rather than taking what’s leftover.
 
spider23 said:
K, I would like my votes to count three times, no matter if we are talking local, state, federal or spidernation.com. It is only right that my votes count more!
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Three times? Did you go through the line as Me, Myself, & I?
 
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I call fraud. I sent my vote in by mail. It was counted, but I have since changed my mind. Can one not change his vote on this poll?
 
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