Which tournament will we play in?

[ur2K]

Kim Lewis didn't play for Mooney

 

[SpiderGuy]

I mean, we're 11 years in now, so I feel like we already know the answer to this one.

What has been most needed, IMO and in that of other posters, has been a veteran assistant coach (ideally with previous head coaching experience somewhere) with no ties to Mooney or our program who could come in and provide different perspective on some things, and who brings unique talents that can help our players develop.

Instead, whenever there is a coaching opening, it goes to a former Mooney player or assistant. I don't think you can improve or grow with that type of succession plan. It introduces nothing new to the equation.

"The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior". The 11 years cited above should give a pretty good idea of what to expect.

 

[97spiderfan]

Well those glaciers are melting faster these days.

 

[Eight Legger]

Kim Lewis didn't play for Mooney

Right, but he has been here a little while now. I was thinking more of the Butler/Smith/Peter Thomas/Jenkins revolving door. It does seem as if Lewis may be our best recruiter, which ought to tell us something.

 

[SpiderTrap]

If you think one of the frosh will start next year and be an impact player - your are nuts.

Nothing against our recruits - but that is something Mooney has never really done, with the exception of his early years when the cupboard was bare or after the NCAA year when everyone graduated.

Next year - you got Cline, Wood, ShawnDre,and Fore returning as the core players. Then you throw in Julius and Jesse and Paul - all that have seen minutes this year and Mooney ever admitted he should be playing these young guys more. I just don't think it is in Mooney's DNA to play a frosh right away unless there is no other option in front of him.

Will those guys play - probably. But based on what we have returning, probably only 1 of them will get decent minutes .

 

[spiderman]

didn't we just go over all of this, listing a ton of freshmen that averaged double digit mpg under Mooney including 25.5 for Kendall?

 

[fan2011]

didn't we just go over all of this, listing a ton of freshmen that averaged double digit mpg under Mooney including 25.5 for Kendall?

This board can get very repetitive. The same statements get made over an over again. The same responses to these statements are posted over and over again. We should have a sticky thread at the top of the forum called "Common statements and responses" or something, but then what would we post in the other threads?

 

[SpiderRick]

Changed threads but pretty much the same stuff being talked about. From what I have read, the overwhelming majority of us do not want Mooney fired, but are just really frustrated with seeing the same issues and just want to see him try something different. I know I don't want him fired, and I'm the one who started the FIRE MOONEY thread (just trying to get the conversation started). When Mooney first came to U of R, we saw plenty of improvement when his recruits began to play, it was all moving upward. But things stalled after our sweet 16 run, and everything has remained the same since. I would think any coach would or should make some changes after 4 1/2 years of middle of the pack results.

 

[Eight Legger]

I think Mooney's chief shortcoming is probably the same shortcoming that keeps him here: He's too nice and too loyal, and as a result, people are perhaps too nice and too loyal to him in a way. He believes in rewarding guys who work hard, try hard and are good people. I get that. But sometimes you need to make changes, even when they will impact good people. Similarly, he is a genuinely good and loyal guy, and I think that buys him more rope than if he were a jackass to people.

 

[SpiderK]

+1 SpiderRick and Eight Legger.

 

[Ulla1]

Clearly Chris, his assistants and players are fine people. Be patient. The Spiders are about to make a run. OSC

 

[SouthJerseySpiderFan]

Ok, dammit, I got sucked in and looked it up. Here is the list of coaches in the top-8 leagues (ACC, American, A10, Big 10, Big 12, Big East, SEC, Pac 12) who are in at least their fifth season at their current schools and have not made the NCAAs during that time. There are 100 teams in those 8 conferences and there are 9 coaches who fit this criteria. I'm organizing them by longest tenure at their current schools:

• Lorenzo Romar, Washington, 14th year, last made NCAAs in 2011, two NITs since then

• Chris Mooney, Richmond, 11th year, last made NCAAs 2011, one NIT since then

• Ed Conroy, Tulane, sixth year, no NCAAs, no NITs

• Jeff Lebo, sixth year at ECU, no NCAAs, no NITs (they were coming off 14 straight losing seasons when he was hired)

• Kevin Willard, Seton Hall, sixth year, no NCAAs, one NIT

• Donnie Jones, UCF, sixth year, no NCAAs, one NIT

• Brad Brownell, Clemson, sixth year, last made NCAAs in 2011, one NIT since then

• Pat Chambers, Penn State, fifth year, no NCAAs, no NITs

• Billy Kennedy, Texas A&M, fifth year, no NCAAs, one NIT

CM could be the most prominent coach left on the list after this year. Seton Hall looking good while T A&M is a shoe-in. Clemson with their remaining favorable schedule could make it. Depends if Romar can get Andrews and all that awesome frosh talent to come together to sneak in.

 

[32counter]

Clearly Chris, his assistants and players are fine people. Be patient. The Spiders are about to make a run. OSC

Not to be offensive but a prior thread post needs repeating-


"What the basketball board suffers from is an overly generous amount of optimism for our basketball program and how great every recruit is that we offer and how each will contribute to our new found success.It appears
to the casual observer that such optimism boarders on fundamental naïveté coupled with a heavy dose of delusional exuberance."