What changes would you make?

[fan2011]

I see your theory here, but I don't know that I agree with it. There are a lot of variables at play. When Wood and Fore both are "on," they are very capable scorers. Yes, they will take away some of the shots that Terry and TJ and SDJ have now, but those guys will have easier shots, too, because defenses will have to focus on more potential scorers. So I would expect them to become more efficient scorers themselves (well, maybe not TJ...he's already pretty efficient).

While I understand where you are coming from there is little room for improvement in our shooting efficiency, we currently rank 19th in the country. Of course it could go up since we aren't making every shot, but we are already shooting more efficiently than 95% of schools in the country, it is hard to shoot better than we already do.

 

[fatherspider]

Coul

While I understand where you are coming from there is little room for improvement in our shooting efficiency where we currently rank 19th in the country. Of course it could go up since we aren't making every shot, but we are already shooting more efficiently than 95% of schools in the country, it is hard to shoot better than we already do.

Can our great efficiency be misleading in a win/lose scenario if we are getting off far less shots than our opponents. I'm just considering this, don't have any stats on number of shots taken. It's just that at times we don't seem to be such a high potent offense as some of the stats suggest especially against good competition.

 

[fan2011]

Coul

Can our great efficiency be misleading in a win/lose scenario if we are getting off far less shots than our opponents. I'm just considering this, don't have any stats on number of shots taken. It's just that at times we don't seem to be such a high potent offense as some of the stats suggest especially against good competition.

That is taken into account with kenpom's offensive efficiency rating where we rank 28th in the country currently. So yes our shooting efficiency is slightly misleading, even though we are 19th best at shooting efficiency, overall our offense is 28th most likely due to slightly fewer shots than most teams get due to our low offensive rebounding.

In our losses we have averaged 55 shots to our opponent's 57.
Our shooting percentages in losses:
2FG%: 51% (national average 48%)
3FG%: 32% (national average 34%)

Opponent shooting percentages in losses:
2FG%: 49% (national average 48%)
3FG%: 43% (national average 34%)

Our offense has been fine in our losses, think about it, in our worst games our offense is basically the average offense for a D1 team. Our worst is average, that is pretty cool.

 

[SpiderK]

Don't forget everyone playing us gets to continue shooting until they make a basket due to our absolute abandonment of rebounding. Three shots to make a basket may hurt their efficiency, but it sure whips our A$$.

 

[fan2011]

Don't forget everyone playing us gets to continue shooting until they make a basket due to our absolute abandonment of rebounding. Three shots to make a basket may hurt their efficiency, but it sure whips our A$$.

Despite 'getting to shoot until they make it' in our losses opponents only end up with 2 more shots than us on average. Your argument would be more compelling if there was a more significant difference in total shots taken between us and our opponents.

 

[SpiderK]

Despite 'getting to shoot until they make it' in our losses opponents only end up with 2 more shots than us on average. Your argument would be more compelling if there was a more significant difference in total shots taken between us and our opponents.

We waste the hard work we do in not turning the ball over and the steals we get by not rebounding.

 

[fan2011]

We waste the hard work we do in not turning the ball over and the steals we get by not rebounding.

So it evens out is that you are telling me? Even though we don't rebound well we can make up for it in other ways? Are you actually agreeing that there is more than one thing that contributes to playing defense well! Something other than rebounding has an impact!

 

[SpiderK]

So it evens out is that you are telling me? Even though we don't rebound well we can make up for it in other ways? Are you actually agreeing that there is more than one thing that contributes to playing defense well! Something other than rebounding has an impact!

Of course it does, but why work so hard on the other two facets and totally abandon the third?? We have for 11 years. We only need to be average at rebounding instead of in the 300's as we have been for all these years.

 

[fatherspider]

That is taken into account with kenpom's offensive efficiency rating where we rank 28th in the country currently. So yes our shooting efficiency is slightly misleading, even though we are 19th best at shooting efficiency, overall our offense is 28th most likely due to slightly fewer shots than most teams get due to our low offensive rebounding.

In our losses we have averaged 55 shots to our opponent's 57.
Our shooting percentages in losses:
2FG%: 51% (national average 48%)
3FG%: 32% (national average 34%)

Opponent shooting percentages in losses:
2FG%: 49% (national average 48%)
3FG%: 43% (national average 34%)

Our offense has been fine in our losses, think about it, in our worst games our offense is basically the average offense for a D1 team. Our worst is average, that is pretty cool.

Thanks for the stats. I just don't see how we can lose by 20 and shoot nearly the same %, sometime even higher, and only shoot 2 less shots. Then there r ft's to consider, Bingo! Does efficiency account for free throws?

 

[fan2011]

Of course it does, but why work so hard on the other two facets and totally abandon the third?? We have for 11 years. We only need to be average at rebounding instead of in the 300's as we have been for all these years.

Maybe we sacrifice rebounding to improve other facets of our game? In the past we sacrificed rebounding position to defend the 3pt line better. It worked out by making us a top 20 3pt defense (and top 50 overall defense) in 2010, 2011, 2014 and 2015 seasons but has not worked out this year.

 

[fan2011]

Thanks for the stats. I just don't see how we can lose by 20 and shoot nearly the same %, sometime even higher, and only shoot 2 less shots. Then there r ft's to consider, Bingo! Does efficiency account for free throws?

Three pointers add up quick. The differential in 3pt shooting percentage is huge, especially when teams are taking 20+ 3s against us. And these are averages, we lost by an average of 12.

As for free throws they are not included in shooting efficiency but are in overall efficiency. Over the season we have shot 64% from the free throw line, opponents have shot 65% and the national average is 69%. Haven't looked at the numbers for just our losses, but I expect the percentage is lower.

 

[urfan1]

the only stat that really matters is the final score, just win baby! I don't care how we legally play the game, as long as we win.

 

[urmite]

Started looking at past changes...
Sparrow's last year with us 22.2 min/game first 12 games
11.1min/game next 10 games
21.7min/game last 11 games after Ced was injured.

 

[97spiderfan]

Started looking at past changes...
Sparrow's last year with us 22.2 min/game first 12 games
11.1min/game next 10 games
21.7min/game last 11 games after Ced was injured.

21.7 minutes of terrible shooting and ball handling, I remember well. But he sure could jump.

 

[keefusb]

Sparrow was never the same after the broken wrist. He was coming on strong before the injury, sort of like how Josh Jones was doing before he was dismissed.

 

[urmite]

Just saying cutting Sparrow's minutes in half was a big change. Mooney couldn't stick with it after the Lindsey injury. He may not do it often but Mooney did make that change.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

It won't happen. It's not a part of the system.

when we go "out there" the ball handler blows right by our defenders. Then Our d has to collapse on the dribbler leaving the perimeter open. It's rare that the shooter is the ball handler and we aren't up on him. It's almost always after penetration into the paint because our outside defenders can't contain anyone and I mean an-y-one.

I agree with father. Ball penetration can mandate adjustments that facilitate easy open 3's.

 

[MrTbone]

2011, do the efficiency calculations taken into account number of possessions? If not, it seems viable that having 1-2 additional "scorers" could be meaningful.

I do think there's something to be said for placing a couple guys out there who are more of a threat to shoot. If nothing else, I think it would limit double teams on TA/TJ.

Obviously our issue is defense. We are halfway into,our season with no real improvement. I suppose it could get worse removing defensive specialists but at this point it's worth trying.

And for what it's worth, the season isn't lost. Those are all decent if not good teams we dropped to, so straight up panic isn't a great answer.

 

[Spider B]

Agree season is not over, but we need to beat Fordham today badly.

 

[fan2011]

2011, do the efficiency calculations taken into account number of possessions? If not, it seems viable that having 1-2 additional "scorers" could be meaningful.

I do think there's something to be said for placing a couple guys out there who are more of a threat to shoot. If nothing else, I think it would limit double teams on TA/TJ.

Obviously our issue is defense. We are halfway into,our season with no real improvement. I suppose it could get worse removing defensive specialists but at this point it's worth trying.

And for what it's worth, the season isn't lost. Those are all decent if not good teams we dropped to, so straight up panic isn't a great answer.

Offensive efficiency is number of points scored per possession (and possibly adjusted for strength of opponent depending on where you get the number from).

The two 'best' teams in our conference lost to the two worst teams on the road this week. Winning on the road, no matter how good you are and how bad the home team is, is always very difficult and never a guarantee. The conference race is wide open, we are still very much in it but need to get a win today.

 

[Eight Legger]

Taylor is out with back problems. Hopefully we see Wood step up and show everyone what he can do.

 

[SpiderK]

Season on the brink!!

 

[97spiderfan]

At least the injury will force another look. Interested to see how we do with a 6 man rotation. Cause you know the other 5 scholarship players on the team are just there for practice purposes

 

[urmite]

Taylor is out with back problems. Hopefully we see Wood step up and show everyone what he can do.

Would be interesting if Paul stepped up today...

 

[urmite]

At least the injury will force another look. Interested to see how we do with a 6 man rotation. Cause you know the other 5 scholarship players on the team are just there for practice purposes

My post from the A-10 board...

Re: Sunday 1/10 Games
They mentioned bench minutes in that game. So I just checked Pomeroy.

SJU 302 out of 351
GW 314
UR 319
URI 328
SBU 339
La Salle 348

A lot of short benches in the A-10...

 

[SpiderK]

We will see as the season goes along how bad the A-10 is this year.

 

[fatherspider]

I don't understand a defensive system that creates so many mismatches. Sdj was just guarding a 7ft guy

 

[SpiderRick]

Well, I think Marshall Wood has answered the question asked on this thread. Finally, please bench Taylor for the rest of the year.