What benchmark should be used to determine if our team is doing a good job over time?
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This is the Bob Huggins (WVU) recruiting philosophy - give an individual an opportunity to be successful in pursuit of their goals!
Damn, you're quite clever. I thought that no one would have noticed but you caught me redhanded.Has anyone noticed that iSpider has gone silent while RobinsHall98 popped up? Coincidence?
BTW, the alleged "fight" referenced by my alter ego, RH98, was merely a ruse to help me with posting under two monikers so I could vent my ambivalence without appearing self-contradictory. If you pay attention to the differences in our posts, you will notice the depth of my confusion dilemma and iffiness.
Uh oh it’s about to get wierd. Replying to your/my own post.
FYI. Enjoyed our “fight” last time. I often talk to myself to really figure out what I think.
Is Mooney a bad coach? Over the past 10 years half of his seasons included a top 4 ranking in the A10. He has made it to 2 NCAA tournaments (granted it has been a long time) and 2 NITs ( both of these were close and probably should have been NCAA bids). The statistics say he is a pretty good coach. Possibly top 10% to top 25% in country, not including major conferences.
We potentially could do better, but how long could we retain one of the top coaches in the industry? Also, there is no guarantees a new coach will do better. There are many things he does that frustrate me, but the grass is not always greener.
Improving the 3 other points I mentioned in this post are guaranteed to improve the team long term. Replacing Mooney is not a slam dunk decision.
We potentially could do better, but how long could we retain one of the top coaches in the industry? Also, there is no guarantees a new coach will do better. There are many things he does that frustrate me, but the grass is not always greener.
Improving the 3 other points I mentioned in this post are guaranteed to improve the team long term. Replacing Mooney is not a slam dunk decision.
The bottom line is that for a very large group of fans the only measure of success is NCAA bids. You are not going to convince anyone in that group that Mooney is a good coach since we haven't received a bid in 6-7 years. You are going to ruffle a lot of feathers even suggesting that Mooney is a decent coach.
Didn't ruffle my feathers. Believe Chris is a very good coach and given the necessary resources and support, he will do even better.
Mooney is so bad. May be worst bench coach in-game in A 10
Other than clown at GW
Other than clown at GW
I don't like defending Mooney, because I don't particularly like him as a coach. However, his record over the past 10 years demonstrates he is not a bad coach. If your expectation are that we should be in the NCAA tournament every couple years, than we need to do a lot more than just get a new coach.
In the past 40 years we have only made the NCAA 9 times and 5 of those times were due to winning the CAA tournament when it was a fairly week conference. I believe we have only gotten 3 at large bids over that time.
In the past 40 years we have only made the NCAA 9 times and 5 of those times were due to winning the CAA tournament when it was a fairly week conference. I believe we have only gotten 3 at large bids over that time.
Wait a minute here......has anyone ever seen Spider23 and Spider23 in the same room?????????????
Assuming we don't make the NCAA's this year, CM will have taken us to the tourney once every 6.5 years. That's significantly different than the statement you made as follows:
"If your expectation are that we should be in the NCAA tournament every couple years"
I guess I fall in the camp of those who don't think once every 6.5 years is a standard to hang a banner with.
SpiderGuy, this has been discussed ad nauseum. In brief, support in admissions, a decent weight room (check it out, I did), a dedicated practice facility, an updated locker room, et c. Look back at various threads as these and other things have been mentioned numerous times. You might want to check out the current facilities, then visit those at other schools. Talk with the coaches and find out what recruits tell them they want. I have done all of these things; nevertheless, these are only my observations and conclusions.
I'm just going to pass on this. I know you & I will disagree, but it seems we've sunk plenty into the program, and at some point the ROI is on the coach's ability to guide and lead to next level. There are many highly qualified / skilled coaches out there who would be thrilled to have our resources.
Also discussed previously, but we've had coaches win with much less relative compensation and "support" than Mooney. Look at Dick Tarrant.
SpiderGuy, times have changed. Back in Tarrant’s day, the Robins Center alone was a big draw. Honestly, it is impossible to compare things in the 1980’s to things 30 years later. We need enhancements to our facilities desperately. As mentioned, talk to the coaches. Visit other facilities and see what we are competing against. I did and I am convinced our program has legitimate needs. Please take the time. You may be enlightened.
Which A10 schools have these things which we seem to be missing? I’m not suggesting we shouldn’t invest in that but I’m curious if that’s really what we lose to. I’d think the three biggest challenges we have to recruiting are academic standards, lack of recent NCAA appearances, and style of play.
I know vcu beats us on the practice facilities and such, but who else has that stuff? Guessing maybe SLU and Dayton? I’m guessing not with LaSalle, Fordham or Bonnies?
I know vcu beats us on the practice facilities and such, but who else has that stuff? Guessing maybe SLU and Dayton? I’m guessing not with LaSalle, Fordham or Bonnies?
VCU
George Mason
U Mass
Dayton
Fordham -- independent strength and fitness for all athletes
Rhode Island -- Field house with weights, etc and 4 basketball courts
Davidson Center with 2 courts for men's & women's teams
Duquesne -- separate courts & shared athletic trainers facility for all athletes
LaSalle -- poor description, so uncertain
St. Joes -- Casciato practice facility
St Louis -- shares one with volleyball
St Bonaventure -- don't think so
George Washington --- don't think so
I've lived in Richmond & attended the games forever. Am well aware of the facilities. Our basketball facilities are plenty good enough to recruit & win. The problem is in coaching & leadership. Bricks & mortar don't make a basketball team. The facilities argument is an excuse to give CM a pass. It's admirable that you're on board the "Good Ship Mooney" forever & would probably hang onto him if we have mediocre seasons or even losing seasons for the duration of his contract, but at some point reality needs to kick in.
So I guess one could make the argument that it’s helping VCU and Dayton, or at least has. GMU, UM and FU not so much.
I’m sure it’d be helpful to us. Not sure it’s going to move the needle dramatically over the other things I mention.
We were a 6 seed in the NIT last year. We were not close.
The A10 is not as strong as it used to be due to conference realignments. Comparing our facilities to other team in the A10 isn't that productive. We need to compare it to top 25 programs if that is where we want to get to.
I think the points I made in the beginning of the post are all more important, although facilities might fall under "how desirable /attractive is the school to potential recruits.
I think the points I made in the beginning of the post are all more important, although facilities might fall under "how desirable /attractive is the school to potential recruits.
Good point. We should have made the NCAA one of the last 2 years we went to the NIT.
If I understand your question, all do. See the changes I made to post 99 as it took awhile to search the websites of each school The descriptions were not always clear, but I believe I posted every schools facilities.
How many teams never have backup pivot ? No back up ever never ..this will be the defeat of chances this year and I think little reason
VCU rolls up their stands and shares their gym with local high schools, other rentals and other sports, they need a practice facility. Our arena is for our basketball teams, not sure about the other teams in the conference.
How many of these things could we have built by now for, oh, say, $13 million?
Mooney likes the small ball; runs Golden to exhaustion; no reason for Paul to even try in practice, this was the game we could have used him. Mooney cant coach a center unless he s comes into the school as a scorer on his own bur he loves 6 7 guys no matter what ,even of they cant make a shot against Fezz one on one (seeDT) . If Paul was 6 7 he d play more with same skill set. Grant will get in foul trouble, some big will torch us as Mooney goes small, you guys ever see this before ?
He does but this is the time of year when are starters who play 35 minutes per night are going to start wearing down. We have 2 guys on the roster who could spell Grant but unfortunately they are such a major step down that we have no choice but to play Grant as much as humanly possible. Our grad transfer who was supposedly brought into fill this void doesn't even take his warm-up off anymore.
Guess who recruited him? Rob Jones.
Coach has the hard time with pivots I don’t know why . He thought out Cline and ANO . It was confusing to pkayers and fan too
Mooney said on the radio show last night that as far as he knew Golden was not sick.
GG was not good the entire game, he went 1-4 form the field and had 3 turnovers in the first 10 minutes. Hard to blame that on being tired, especially after coming off a bye.
Agreed, but he sure looked tired. Bent over a lot of the time, conjecture that he may have been sick but I guess Mooney shot that down. He had an off game whatever the cause and that is why you need to have a viable back-up for him, but we don't and it cost us.
