Title IX applies to NIL Payments

[SpiderTrap]

In news the other day, Dept. of Education said Title IX applies to NIL Payments. Not sure how they expect that to work - but personally, this makes it even more of a mess and in my opinion, makes no sense to me. I am not against women sports and women athletes making money, but this to me seems like Dept. of Education trying to achieve an equality of outcome for women in a space where this is a more of business decision.

I would expect this to get appealed in some manner, and lots of schools to fight this. But I just don't see how this works. Not to mention - there are instances, where women can and should be able to make more in this space. Such as the LSU gymnast and basketball twins, etc. Now - we all know they make more for different reasons, but wouldn't this limit their ability to cash in as well and say they must be equal to the 12th man on the men's lacross team?

 

[Eight Legger]

Feels like this is:
a) a dumb decision;
b) a decision that will help us and help the landscape in general from getting too one-sided; and
c) a decision that is likely to be changed in some way before long.

 

[GKiller]

& in 3 days the DOE will say disregard our last memo

 

[SpiderTrap]

& in 3 days the DOE will say disregard our last memo

Thats true too. Trump takes office - DOE might not exist anymore.

If the women fill the stadium, sells tons of tickets and merchandise, and have marketability - they should be able to make whatever the market is willing to pay them. But to say - the women's lacrosse player at Gerogia and QB at Georgia have to make the same is ridiculous.

Thats like saying all CEO's need to be paid the same. So the CEO of WalMart should make the same as the CEO of a family run local business.

 

[fan2011]

I assume this only applies to payments made directly by schools themselves?

 

[97spiderfan]

Said a couple years ago NIL was going to run a foul with Title IX and it has. This will be settled in the courts. Not wading into the merits of this, but clearly someone should have considered these implications before unleashing NIL on college sports.

 

[spiderman]

I assume this only applies to payments made directly by schools themselves?

no, they're saying even NIL payments that come from 3rd parties have to be equally distributed. lol.

 

[fan2011]

no, they're saying even NIL payments that come from 3rd parties have to be equally distributed. lol.

How could that possibly be enforced?

 

[spiderman]

How could that possibly be enforced?

no idea but that's the plan if Trumps new DOE (or lack of DOE) doesn't overturn this.
to paraphrase ... title IX is not based on market value. even if the market discriminates, the schools cannot.

based on this line of thinking, I guess WNBA player DO deserve as much as NBA players, lol.

 

[fan2011]

I guess one potential way around that is to make the athletes employees instead of students?

 

[spiderman]

I guess one potential way around that is to make the athletes employees instead of students?

I don't think that would help. any educational institution that receives federal funds has to provide equal treatment of female and male students. federal funds = student loan program.

 

[fan2011]

I don't think that would help. any educational institution that receives federal funds has to provide equal treatment of female and male students. federal funds = student loan program.

That is why you make the athletes employees instead of students.

 

[urmite]

That is why you make the athletes employees instead of students.

And not students at all?

 

[fan2011]

And not students at all?

yeah

 

[MrTbone]

I think right now you have to still be a student to play, right?

It’s crazy that I even have to ask this.

 

[RichmondNative]

I think right now you have to still be a student to play, right?

It’s crazy that I even have to ask this.

Yes emphasis on right now.

I agree with Mooney’s view on this one topic. Asked about the 5 years of eligibility, Mooney said it was rather arbitrary and mused whether the number of years would be 6, 7, or 8. It is hyperbole, but close to the truth. Why don’t colleges just sponsor teams?

 

[SpiderTrap]

He has a point with the years topic. A regular student, not playing sports, can go to school for 6-7-8 years and just take 2 classes a semester and drag it out. Why can't athletes do the same IF the coach and school are willing and want to pay the scholarship for that long period of time for one player. And right now - the rule by NCAA is that a student-athlete must earn 6 credit hours per semester to be eligible for the next semester.

But paying boys and girls evenly because of Title IX makes no sense. It most instances - the women will get less, but that is simply math and business based on the amount of money they bring in and revenue they produce. But there will be instances where this is not the case. UCONN is a good example. Should Paige Bueckers make the same amount of money as the starting SS on UCONN's baseball team? I don't think so. They should make - when it comes to NIL - what the market will bear for them.

 

[SFspidur]

...and it's been reversed.

Dept. of Ed: Title IX does not apply to athlete pay

Title IX does not apply to name, image and likeness (NIL) deals, the U.S. Department of Education said Wednesday, rescinding the Biden administration's guidance that schools must equitably distribute direct payments to male and female athletes.

www.espn.com

 

[GKiller]

& in 3 days the DOE will say disregard our last memo

bump

 

[spiderman]

this version makes sense.
so it will of course be fought in the courts again and again.

 

[GKiller]

No state income tax on NIL compensation. It’s who can write the best state laws.

 

[spiderman]

don't know how they justify that. it's earned income. but guess they're trying to give their schools an advantage.

 

[AnnapSpider]

For any lawyers that happen to be on here, why can’t the smaller schools like Richmond, and other FCS schools
file for unfair labor practices by the UVA’s and Techs?

 

[SpiderTrap]

For any lawyers that happen to be on here, why can’t the smaller schools like Richmond, and other FCS schools
file for unfair labor practices by the UVA’s and Techs?

What would be unfair? We have the ability to spend the same amount of money as them if we so choose. And I would guess - those schools will use "private" money to fund these payments. Similar to how you look up UVA basketball coach contract - they only make 450K from the school, but the rest comes from "private" non-taxpayer dollars. I think as long as they keep pulling from that pocket - they should be okay. Or simply use the revenue from their sports to pay back the athletes.

 

[Spiders4ever]

For any lawyers that happen to be on here, why can’t the smaller schools like Richmond, and other FCS schools
file for unfair labor practices by the UVA’s and Techs?

Poor lil ol Richmond

 

[urfan1]

For any lawyers that happen to be on here, why can’t the smaller schools like Richmond, and other FCS schools
file for unfair labor practices by the UVA’s and Techs?

Not my area of expertise, but don't see a claim because they want to pay more. Would Wendy's be able to sue McDonald's if they decided to pay their employees $40 per hour?

 

[Gallipoli]

Isn't the DOE going away?

 

[urfan1]

Isn't the DOE going away?

That was my thought earlier. We'll see how people feel when localities double tax rates to make up for the lost federal education funds.

 

[SpiderRick]

Who says states are losing funds? The way I understand it is that the federal government wants to end the DOE, and instead send the funds to the states, allowing them to decide what's best for their own schools.

 

[urfan1]

Who says states are losing funds? The way I understand it is that the federal government wants to end the DOE, and instead send the funds to the states, allowing them to decide what's best for their own schools.

If DOE does not exist, who determine how much and when to pay each state in your understanding? This is another disaster waiting to happen.

 

[SpiderRick]

Well, if the federal government has already been in disaster mode, then what do we have to lose by trying something different?
Kinda like Richmond men's basketball.

 

[SpiderAlways]

If DOE does not exist, who determine how much and when to pay each state in your understanding? This is another disaster waiting to happen.

Wow, I was not aware how well test scores have gone up since DOE was created.

 

[SpiderAlways]

Oh wait, we shouldn't get political should we 1 ?

 

[urfan1]

Oh wait, we shouldn't get political should we 1 ?

True move this to off topic. TY for pointing it out.

 

[Gallipoli]

True move this to off topic. TY for pointing it out.

Meh. The season will be over after a few games. I was hoping that our success in football would create a euphoria that would last through basketball season. Sadly that did not happen. How is baseball doing?

 

[MrTbone]

Well, if the federal government has already been in disaster mode, then what do we have to lose by trying something different?
Kinda like Richmond men's basketball.

Friendly reminder that we don’t talk politics here. Directed to all, not just you Rick.

 

[SpiderAlways]

Well, if the federal government has already been in disaster mode, then what do we have to lose by trying something different?
Kinda like Richmond men's basketball.

Careful Rick. TDS is strong in these parts!

 

[urmite]

Well, if the federal government has already been in disaster mode, then what do we have to lose by trying something different?
Kinda like Richmond men's basketball.

Well… for decades I have said one side is driving us 300 mph in a paper mache car without brakes straight into a 20 foot thick concrete wall. So the other side says we need a change and swerves …over a 1000 foot cliff.

 

[SpiderRick]

Friendly reminder that we don’t talk politics here. Directed to all, not just you Rick.

Talk to Fan1, I was responding to his post...

 

[SpiderTrap]

Well - to get it back on track.

If VCU has stated they will need an extra $4-5 million per year to pay their athletes - and they don't have football - wouldn't it be safe to assume that UR would need more than that to at the very least keep up? I mean - assume UR pays 80 football players - at avg. 50K a player - that alone is $4 million just there.

And if that is the case - lets say UR needs $7-8 million, do you see them doing that?

And what is the amount you need to pay basketball, our flagship sport - to stay or at least compete on top of the A10. VCU is suggesting 300K average per basketball player. Is that the starting point?