Do we want a guy who is failing at Indiana, with all the advantages that they have? I think not.
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We get it. You don't want DT in the lineup. Please stop lacing this into every single post. It's boring and obnoxious.
Crean isn't exactly failing, it's the expectations of IU fans. Look at his recruiting class coming in
Don't let's kid ourselves - if we're not in the market for a coach then it means we're happy with status quo...
Ever since our last NCAA run, to score a lot of points at guard, we've given up a lot on D. One guy constantly missed assignments and had slow feet, and the last two have battled their rears off, but just gave up too much with their lack of height and length, making passes into the paint too easy. All three had exceptional offensive and leadership skills that outweigh this, and have given us some fine moments. But I do wonder if our recruiting philosophy placed too much emphasis on offense at all cost at guard ever since we recruited Kevin Anderson?
To be fair, a high focus on 'make your own shot' offense is probably not in CM's intuitive wheelhouse as a coach, so I can see why we've struggled to find the proper O/D balance on the perimeter. Then again, maybe this goes to show how difficult it is to find college guards who are equally disruptive on both ends of the floor?! Regardless, the recruiting adaptation process has been frustrating IMO, as this was the first season in a LONG time where we've sometimes been able to get a stop on D when we need one. I believe that's a key missing ingredient in taking the next step.
To be fair, a high focus on 'make your own shot' offense is probably not in CM's intuitive wheelhouse as a coach, so I can see why we've struggled to find the proper O/D balance on the perimeter. Then again, maybe this goes to show how difficult it is to find college guards who are equally disruptive on both ends of the floor?! Regardless, the recruiting adaptation process has been frustrating IMO, as this was the first season in a LONG time where we've sometimes been able to get a stop on D when we need one. I believe that's a key missing ingredient in taking the next step.
The scary thing to me is that the entire A10 top to bottom has really upped the ante on recruiting.......with one exception. We are facing big league size and talent on every team in conference. Looking at the teams compete this week has been a real eye opener to see the freshman and sophomore classes that we will be competing against next year. We really need to find a way to get on that train or it may be impossible to catch up.
Oh yeah, we suck, and can't catch up? Didn't we just finish 4th, were within a play or 2 of going to semifinals. We lose 1 player, next year, and gain a bunch of new players. The conference champion, we annihilated in the RC. This year was disappointing, but not near the disaster, some of you think. Next year does look very promising. I hope y'all are right about the NIT, I'd like to see this team get a second chance to show what they can do. I think there are a lot of teams, that hope they don't get paired up with us.
It's more than 6 posters so don't give me that bulls***. All you other fans are fine with mediocrity because that's exactly what this team and coach have been for the last 4 years. And if you disagree phrase provide evidence that we've been Better than average or great because frankly there is none.
My preference still would be to see Mooney remain and take us to the tournament the next 4 or 5 straight years. But evidence suggests that is not likely.
At the beginning of the year I put together the list of coaches that had failed to make the NIT or NCAA at their schools in top-7 leagues each of the past three years, and there were only six. Mooney was one. That streak should end when we get an NIT invite.
The others are Oliver Purnell (who resigned/was canned today at Depaul), the guy at Penn State (who perhaps will make the NIT after a little run in the league tourney), Tom Pecora at Fordham (probably sticking around), Paul Hewitt at Mason (likely getting canned) and Brian Gregory at Georgia Tech (likely getting canned).
So after the dust settles, half of that group will have lost their jobs. After the NIT field is announced, I would be curious to look at the top-7 leagues again and see how many of those programs with the same coach for the past 4 years (or more) have only made the NIT once and have made no NCAAs. I imagine that list is not much larger.
At the beginning of the year I put together the list of coaches that had failed to make the NIT or NCAA at their schools in top-7 leagues each of the past three years, and there were only six. Mooney was one. That streak should end when we get an NIT invite.
The others are Oliver Purnell (who resigned/was canned today at Depaul), the guy at Penn State (who perhaps will make the NIT after a little run in the league tourney), Tom Pecora at Fordham (probably sticking around), Paul Hewitt at Mason (likely getting canned) and Brian Gregory at Georgia Tech (likely getting canned).
So after the dust settles, half of that group will have lost their jobs. After the NIT field is announced, I would be curious to look at the top-7 leagues again and see how many of those programs with the same coach for the past 4 years (or more) have only made the NIT once and have made no NCAAs. I imagine that list is not much larger.
I agree that this whole theme of replacing Mooney is tedious. We are NOT a mediocre team. CM out coached Shake three times this year. Is it Mooney's fault that we can't make free throws? is it Mooney's fault that KA hit a wet spot on the court and turned the ball over? Is it Mooney's fault that Davis walked? Is it Mooney's fault that VCU suddenly remembered how to make a three pointer and made many from NBA range? If we were to replace Mooney, it would costs UR a lot of money and who knows what you get. I will put this topic on ignore as it is ridiculous. Mooney is our coach and will be our coach for many more years. If you don't like it, stop watching the Spiders. 'Nuff said.
Not to beat a dead horse, but Lunardi just admitted this was one of the worst bubbles ever. For us to still be on the bad side of the bubble is really disappointing. Some team is going to dance that has no right to, and we had the schedule to at least do that. That's where some of the frustration is coming from
re: It's more than 6 posters so don't give me that bulls***.
Okay, let's say 20, including many on sit on this message board and never actually see games in person.
Come to the game on Tues or Wed, and conduct a poll, you would get an overwhelmingly "NO" to your question.
Is it perfect, NO. Can it be better, YES. Do we need more consistency, absolutely. And that means everyone--Coaches AND Players
Okay, let's say 20, including many on sit on this message board and never actually see games in person.
Come to the game on Tues or Wed, and conduct a poll, you would get an overwhelmingly "NO" to your question.
Is it perfect, NO. Can it be better, YES. Do we need more consistency, absolutely. And that means everyone--Coaches AND Players
River cup I don't usually pick out posters but I'm going to make an exception I've never even heard of you... But congratulations you support mediocrity. You gave no evidence this team is better than average. If you think they are then you are arguing that they over achieved this year? And if they did over achieve than you're saying that the talent that exists hasn't been coached/developed to their optimum? And who's responsible for the talent and development? Thanks for proving my argument.
And I won't stop routing for the spiders but I will expect great things and when that doesn't happen I will want some type of change. After 10 years this staff has reached their peak. I want a team where the tourney is expected not an aberration.
And I won't stop routing for the spiders but I will expect great things and when that doesn't happen I will want some type of change. After 10 years this staff has reached their peak. I want a team where the tourney is expected not an aberration.
Fan, you have your opinion and I have mine. Both are valid as they are only opinions. Here are some facts:
1. Mediocre teams don't finish 4th in a good league like the A10. Yes, this is not the best year for the league, but it is still pretty good.
2. We beat VCU twice.
3. We beat Davidson as badly as VCU did today.
4.We won 6 games in a row when we needed to. Only Davidson did better down the stretch.
5. We only lose one player. Granted, he is pretty good, but we add a recruit, a transfer, two redshirts and a medical redshirt. I like where we are.
6. An inside source told me at the beginning of the year that the team had great chemistry. Yes, we lost some games that we should not have lost, but the team regrouped and finished strong. That shows character and character usually comes from the coach. Mooney never lost the team.
7, Weare going to the NIT. The NIT used to be the pre-eminent tournament post season, eclipsing the NCAA. While clearly a second tier tournament today, it is still an accomplishment and it is not the CBI, in which I hope we never play again.
8. The fact that we were even in "the bubble talk" says a lot about the resilience of the team and the coaching staff.
9. If we played VCU tomorrow, we would win. . . . Ok, that is not a fact, but I truly believe after watching us play them 3 times, we are the better team. Our problem was losing several early games that hurt us.
9. Our defense is playing great right now.
We will just have to agree to dis-agree. I have been an observer of basketball for 50 years, played at the college level and coached at the high school level, so I feel that I have a pretty good feel for the game. In my opinion, Mooney is an excellent coach and I hope he stays at UR for many more years.
1. Mediocre teams don't finish 4th in a good league like the A10. Yes, this is not the best year for the league, but it is still pretty good.
2. We beat VCU twice.
3. We beat Davidson as badly as VCU did today.
4.We won 6 games in a row when we needed to. Only Davidson did better down the stretch.
5. We only lose one player. Granted, he is pretty good, but we add a recruit, a transfer, two redshirts and a medical redshirt. I like where we are.
6. An inside source told me at the beginning of the year that the team had great chemistry. Yes, we lost some games that we should not have lost, but the team regrouped and finished strong. That shows character and character usually comes from the coach. Mooney never lost the team.
7, Weare going to the NIT. The NIT used to be the pre-eminent tournament post season, eclipsing the NCAA. While clearly a second tier tournament today, it is still an accomplishment and it is not the CBI, in which I hope we never play again.
8. The fact that we were even in "the bubble talk" says a lot about the resilience of the team and the coaching staff.
9. If we played VCU tomorrow, we would win. . . . Ok, that is not a fact, but I truly believe after watching us play them 3 times, we are the better team. Our problem was losing several early games that hurt us.
9. Our defense is playing great right now.
We will just have to agree to dis-agree. I have been an observer of basketball for 50 years, played at the college level and coached at the high school level, so I feel that I have a pretty good feel for the game. In my opinion, Mooney is an excellent coach and I hope he stays at UR for many more years.
We made progress this year. 2 wins over RPI, Top 4 in conference and NIT is progress over the last 3 years.
All in for NCAA in 2015-16. NCAA Bid or burn it down. Let's do our part To keep ot from burning down.
All in for NCAA in 2015-16. NCAA Bid or burn it down. Let's do our part To keep ot from burning down.
Ok, coaching conversation made me think of Mike Rhoades. Not for coaching market, but just pure curiosity. Good at Macon, maybe starts to turn Rice around? Heard he was brains of some of Shakas stuff. More of just curious if he is that good.
Since the Spiders were on the bubble, and according to at least on CBS analyst, should have been picked for the Dance over UCLA, then the line between an acceptable an unacceptable season to some of you is a fine line. Make the NCAA and all is well, miss it, and it's failure-that's what I'm reading in some of the comments here.
I watched our hopes for the NCAA unravel at the end of the first half of that VCU A-10 tournament game when the Spiders were up by 2, then missed a dunk and follow, then Taylor jumps in and touches Larrier's hand after he shoots the 3, Larrier misses the shot, but he gets and makes 3 free throws. Then Terry misses both free throws on our end, and we end up down by one at the half and VCU had the momentum- game changer. We end up losing by a hair. I think the Spiders make the tournament with a win. Oh, those close road losses were really the difference between an no-brainer bid and the bubble.
Coach Mooney is a fine coach. I believe in him, and look forward to the NIT and next year.
Just my 2 cents.
This post was edited on 3/16 2:04 PM by Spider Bob79
I watched our hopes for the NCAA unravel at the end of the first half of that VCU A-10 tournament game when the Spiders were up by 2, then missed a dunk and follow, then Taylor jumps in and touches Larrier's hand after he shoots the 3, Larrier misses the shot, but he gets and makes 3 free throws. Then Terry misses both free throws on our end, and we end up down by one at the half and VCU had the momentum- game changer. We end up losing by a hair. I think the Spiders make the tournament with a win. Oh, those close road losses were really the difference between an no-brainer bid and the bubble.
Coach Mooney is a fine coach. I believe in him, and look forward to the NIT and next year.
Just my 2 cents.
This post was edited on 3/16 2:04 PM by Spider Bob79
Bob79 - you are absolutley right - their is a very fine line between acceptable and unacceptable. Heck - we could have come in 10th place in the A10, win the A10 tourney and make the NCAA's - does that make you better than coming in 4th, and just missing the NCAA at large by a game or two? But that is the reality of college basketball and sports in general. There is a clear goal for all college teams out there - get to the NCAA tourney. For some - that is it. For others, its make the sweet 16, final four, win a title, etc.
Coach Mooney is a fine coach. But at the end of the day - its all about results. And the last few years - the results have not been there. Another year or two of the same, and its time for a change. Or the opposite could hold true as well - he could land UR back in the sweet 16 next season and I bet we will all be singing his praises, the school will give him a raise and a lifetime contract.
Coach Mooney is a fine coach. But at the end of the day - its all about results. And the last few years - the results have not been there. Another year or two of the same, and its time for a change. Or the opposite could hold true as well - he could land UR back in the sweet 16 next season and I bet we will all be singing his praises, the school will give him a raise and a lifetime contract.
You have to draw a line somewhere. It's like grades in school, or other performance metrics in our jobs, you are either over the line or you are not.
I'm glad we made the NIT as a #1 seed. I think it is a reasonable accomplishment for this team. We were in the NCAA conversation, but for a couple of bad losses and/or bad breaks in other games. At the end of the day, we did not make the NCAA's. We were close (in a down year), but we didn't make it.
I'm not a CM hater, but if we make a decent run in the NIT, it should set us up nicely for next year. I'm of the opinion that if we don't make the NCAA's next year, CM's seat should get really hot. A line of minimum performance and expectation needs to be drawn.
Major college hoops is a business, and decisions should be made like they would be made in business. A vast majority of the other coaches in CM's shoes (years of service, years since NCAA's, etc.) are either working on their resumes today or getting ready to. Business is business, nothing personal about it.
I'm glad we made the NIT as a #1 seed. I think it is a reasonable accomplishment for this team. We were in the NCAA conversation, but for a couple of bad losses and/or bad breaks in other games. At the end of the day, we did not make the NCAA's. We were close (in a down year), but we didn't make it.
I'm not a CM hater, but if we make a decent run in the NIT, it should set us up nicely for next year. I'm of the opinion that if we don't make the NCAA's next year, CM's seat should get really hot. A line of minimum performance and expectation needs to be drawn.
Major college hoops is a business, and decisions should be made like they would be made in business. A vast majority of the other coaches in CM's shoes (years of service, years since NCAA's, etc.) are either working on their resumes today or getting ready to. Business is business, nothing personal about it.
Exactly. It's a bottom-line business, as most businesses are. You succeed or you fail. You win or you lose.
George Mason played a ton of close games last year but lost almost all of them. Their coach failed to make the tournament in four years and he is done.
Alabama made two NITs and the NCAA once under Grant, but for $2M a year, that was not a successful tenure. I'm sure they had a lot of close games that they could have won too, but they didn't and he got fired.
I'm not sure why we make excuses for our lack of achievements the past four years. I am glad we broke the NIT/NCAA streak, at least, but I'm not throwing a parade with excitement over it.
George Mason played a ton of close games last year but lost almost all of them. Their coach failed to make the tournament in four years and he is done.
Alabama made two NITs and the NCAA once under Grant, but for $2M a year, that was not a successful tenure. I'm sure they had a lot of close games that they could have won too, but they didn't and he got fired.
I'm not sure why we make excuses for our lack of achievements the past four years. I am glad we broke the NIT/NCAA streak, at least, but I'm not throwing a parade with excitement over it.
yes it's business. I'm afraid some here must be miserable at business. in making a decision, you aren't looking in the rear view mirror. is CM leading the ship in the right direction? are you happy with the direction ... not the past?
for some of you, the answer is no. you don't believe he's the right guy. and that's fine that you think that. others like me disagree strongly and that should be fine too. no, believing CM is the right guy does not mean we're accepting mediocrity. it means we still believe he's the right guy going forward.
I've seen criticisms here on everything he does. I personally think he's one of the best basketball minds I see out there. I think his switching defense is brilliant. for all the talk about the mismatches it creates ... I just don't see it happening that much. yeah, a couple times a game maybe something goes wrong. but on a regular basis, we defend. we recover inside, and we don't allow open 3's. well, except the 25' variety. and those aren't supposed to go in 4 out of 5 times in a half. the guy got hot.
and I love what he does offensively. posters here complain about the weave, which literally takes 3 passes and about 5 seconds to get the ball and people moving and get the ball cleanly into the high post. I don't get the issue there. obviously our offense looks better when we make shots. it looked pretty good most of the last month.
if we do well next year, I expect we'll hear nothing but praise from those calling for his head. if we do poorly, I'll try to objectively evaluate again. if I still feel he's the right guy, then I'll still feel he's the right guy. it's not like I blindly believe in every UR coach ever. I was optimistic early with the Wainwright hire. that 1st year was fun. but I wasn't late to see the problems that came. I did love Beilein, though. I wasn't part of the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" crowd. yeah, his teams didn't rebounding and he didn't recruit highly ranked kids, but he was good. I actually like what CM runs better though.
for some of you, the answer is no. you don't believe he's the right guy. and that's fine that you think that. others like me disagree strongly and that should be fine too. no, believing CM is the right guy does not mean we're accepting mediocrity. it means we still believe he's the right guy going forward.
I've seen criticisms here on everything he does. I personally think he's one of the best basketball minds I see out there. I think his switching defense is brilliant. for all the talk about the mismatches it creates ... I just don't see it happening that much. yeah, a couple times a game maybe something goes wrong. but on a regular basis, we defend. we recover inside, and we don't allow open 3's. well, except the 25' variety. and those aren't supposed to go in 4 out of 5 times in a half. the guy got hot.
and I love what he does offensively. posters here complain about the weave, which literally takes 3 passes and about 5 seconds to get the ball and people moving and get the ball cleanly into the high post. I don't get the issue there. obviously our offense looks better when we make shots. it looked pretty good most of the last month.
if we do well next year, I expect we'll hear nothing but praise from those calling for his head. if we do poorly, I'll try to objectively evaluate again. if I still feel he's the right guy, then I'll still feel he's the right guy. it's not like I blindly believe in every UR coach ever. I was optimistic early with the Wainwright hire. that 1st year was fun. but I wasn't late to see the problems that came. I did love Beilein, though. I wasn't part of the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" crowd. yeah, his teams didn't rebounding and he didn't recruit highly ranked kids, but he was good. I actually like what CM runs better though.
Like most here, I watched a ton of basketball this weekend. One thing I didn't see was a lot of offense/defense switching. Certainly there are reasons to do it some, but from what I saw, the winners didn't do much of it. I think we do it too much and get caught with our pants down.
Spiderman, I really like our defense and offense as well. I think CM coaches them well, they are unique and our offense usually generated good looks and our defense is pretty stout. The base offense and defense CM runs is really good in my opinion, but it is the other things beside the base/offense and defense that drive me crazy.
Things like:
1. Not have guys in the game that can execute our offense
2. A overly strong tendency to reward guys for good defense vs. guys who are good offensively
3. Continual missing out on big name recruits
4. Continued long standing inability to close games effectively ( I suspect this is a combo of mental and the offense/defense substitution that again always rewards defense on the court longer than offense)
5. Alliegence to seniority over development of new players or allowing new players to play enough to actually upset the predetermined line-up at the beginning of the year. Smithen got jack for time this year, pretty much a wasted year, meanwhile we let Deion and Trey play huge major roles despite lack of any type of semblance of an offensive game. And anyone who thinks Deion is some type of great defender is not watching very closely. He had a few great plays against UMASS and VCU down the stretch, but if a guy for the other team is making a clutch shot in crunch time, you get almost bet who was supposed to be guarding them.
Things like:
1. Not have guys in the game that can execute our offense
2. A overly strong tendency to reward guys for good defense vs. guys who are good offensively
3. Continual missing out on big name recruits
4. Continued long standing inability to close games effectively ( I suspect this is a combo of mental and the offense/defense substitution that again always rewards defense on the court longer than offense)
5. Alliegence to seniority over development of new players or allowing new players to play enough to actually upset the predetermined line-up at the beginning of the year. Smithen got jack for time this year, pretty much a wasted year, meanwhile we let Deion and Trey play huge major roles despite lack of any type of semblance of an offensive game. And anyone who thinks Deion is some type of great defender is not watching very closely. He had a few great plays against UMASS and VCU down the stretch, but if a guy for the other team is making a clutch shot in crunch time, you get almost bet who was supposed to be guarding them.
Wasn't a fan of the weaving offense and switching defense but as time goes on I like it more and CM did have the team jelling with it as the season went on ......
but points 1, 2, 4, and 5 from 97 I agree with completely. Not knowledgable enough to take 3 into account.
Might have been mentioned here already, but what clinched the great probability of a RPI win over Dayton? When Smart came out of the TO and went zone and totally confused the Flyers that caused a TO and easy layup to put them up 4. I doubt CM would have came up with that on the fly adjustment.
Like CM but his game and game-to-game adjusting could improve for my taste. He's still a young guy, hopefully he gets better as a coach ..... but I still rather go to bed at night and have CM than have a sleaze like Boeheim coaching the team.
This post was edited on 3/16 4:04 PM by SouthJerseySpiderFan
but points 1, 2, 4, and 5 from 97 I agree with completely. Not knowledgable enough to take 3 into account.
Might have been mentioned here already, but what clinched the great probability of a RPI win over Dayton? When Smart came out of the TO and went zone and totally confused the Flyers that caused a TO and easy layup to put them up 4. I doubt CM would have came up with that on the fly adjustment.
Like CM but his game and game-to-game adjusting could improve for my taste. He's still a young guy, hopefully he gets better as a coach ..... but I still rather go to bed at night and have CM than have a sleaze like Boeheim coaching the team.
This post was edited on 3/16 4:04 PM by SouthJerseySpiderFan
I can only think of 5 or 6 right off, who are very vocal about wanting to fire Chris Mooney. Can you name any others?
1 & 2) I love the talent on this roster going forward. we "only" lose Kendall and we add a lot. the question many have here and I agree with is can we balance the line-up? I disagree with posters calling out DT or Trey. they're very good players and exceptional defensively. no, they don't shoot well. my question in bringing back Zo for the tournament wasn't whether his talent helps us. it does. but we have problems offensively when ZO, DT and Trey are on the floor together. and that will get magnified even more next year when one of the other 2 players isn't Kendall.
3) CM hasn't landed the big NAME players, but nobody has at UR. the biggest name guys we've landed never became the players we hoped anyway. rankings don't seem to prove much here. and of the biggest name guys, what have we missed out on? not a whole lot from AW who moved on and will try again next year in Nebraska. gun charges and a transfer for Terry Henderson. we missed on Marshall Wood the 1st time, but now he's here.
5) he's not playing anyone as an allegiance to seniority. experienced guys get it better. in the rare case, a kid like Kendall is relied upon heavily as a freshman. Kadeem wasn't ready. Josh wasn't ready last year, but took on a larger role this season. Fore was the most ready of the freshman and saw early time, but got hurt. and as I said I disagree with the many about DT and Trey. those two get bashed here way too much considering they bust it every time on the floor. we need to rethink how we show our appreciation, fans.
3) CM hasn't landed the big NAME players, but nobody has at UR. the biggest name guys we've landed never became the players we hoped anyway. rankings don't seem to prove much here. and of the biggest name guys, what have we missed out on? not a whole lot from AW who moved on and will try again next year in Nebraska. gun charges and a transfer for Terry Henderson. we missed on Marshall Wood the 1st time, but now he's here.
5) he's not playing anyone as an allegiance to seniority. experienced guys get it better. in the rare case, a kid like Kendall is relied upon heavily as a freshman. Kadeem wasn't ready. Josh wasn't ready last year, but took on a larger role this season. Fore was the most ready of the freshman and saw early time, but got hurt. and as I said I disagree with the many about DT and Trey. those two get bashed here way too much considering they bust it every time on the floor. we need to rethink how we show our appreciation, fans.
Re: I can only think of 5 or 6 right off, who are very vocal about wanting to fire Chris Mooney. Can you name any others?
I gave him the benefit of doubt and tripled it, but still way too high.
I gave him the benefit of doubt and tripled it, but still way too high.
spiderman, no one is bashing DT or TD for not busting it. They do. The criticisms are that they too frequently deliver results on offense. It's not good enough to try hard. This isn't 6-year-old girls' soccer. I would have tried hard too had I played D-I basketball, but the results would have been hideous.
I will say that Trey got a lot better at the dribble-drive, spin-to-the-basket move. Would like to see him use that more next year.
I will say that Trey got a lot better at the dribble-drive, spin-to-the-basket move. Would like to see him use that more next year.
I know nobody's bashing their effort. but they still bash.
CM obviously values them a lot. they're important players and they're going to play a lot next year. I can't think of any other Spiders with nearly so many negative posts about them in all the years of this board. it's non-stop. and that's in a year when we were apparently 1 win away from an at large bid.
we talk about how they shouldn't be on the floor together, but it was fine when ANO was out. all 3 together? I agree I hope we can find a rotation where all 3 won't be out there together. but they're all good Spiders.
CM obviously values them a lot. they're important players and they're going to play a lot next year. I can't think of any other Spiders with nearly so many negative posts about them in all the years of this board. it's non-stop. and that's in a year when we were apparently 1 win away from an at large bid.
we talk about how they shouldn't be on the floor together, but it was fine when ANO was out. all 3 together? I agree I hope we can find a rotation where all 3 won't be out there together. but they're all good Spiders.
