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Homer has vision while the rest of the world wears bifocals.

he made a statement that you think he only made to save his job. as if that would do it. fine. whatever. you say it's a fact so who am I to argue.

do you disagree with the statement?

next year's junior class. Golden, Gilyard, Cayo, Sherod and Francis. could that be the most talent we've had in a class? take into consideration that ...
I AM NOT SAYING MOONEY HAS TO COACH THEM.

that's irrelevant to the statement, which I happen to agree with and I get blasted for agreeing with.

No, I don't think this class is suppossedly the best ever. Here is why:

I would still take the Anderson, Harp, Geriot, Smitty class and here is why:

1. Defense: All of those guys could and would defend. Golden and Sherod are sub-par defenders, which detracts from their really good offensive abilities.

2. Toughness and heart: Geriot and Smitty were tough players and played with heart. Gilyard plays that way as well, but the rest of our team plays soft (that is not a criticism of their personal attributes but just how I see them play 0N THE COURT). They don't contest drives to the hoops, they get dunked on frequently, they aren't out there physically leading their teammates when they other team makes a run etc... Geriot would tag a guy in the nads at least once every other game just to show him whose boss. Was that dirty, yeah maybe a little, but man was it effective. Whoever had to guard Geriot knew they were leaving that game bruised and hurt.

3. Kevin Anderson: Guy is in our rafters for a reason. Gilyard and Golden might be the stars on this team, but Anderson is a legend at UR. He made every single guy on his squad so much better. We aren't hanging Gilly or Golden jersey in the rafters.

4. Athletic ability: Harp and Smitty could dunk on and over you. KA could make you look silly in any number of ways. That team also had Garrett as back up in the middle another really intimidating player. We have no one that is physically intimidating on this current group of players. That matters, a lot in my opinion.

The 2011 team would beat next years squad by double digits, nine out of 10 times.[/QUOTE]
That class had something that next years class will never have, mental toughness. When the going got tough they got going and pulled out a lot of really big wins for us. All of those guys, Anderson, Harper and I think Geriot and Smith especially had a ton of mental toughness. Throw in Gonzalez in there as well. No one on this team has any mental toughness except for Gilyard. I also don't see anyone on this team being a leader, once again except Gilyard. His comments after the URI game say a lot about this team to me. I'm glad he isn't afraid to share those comments.
 
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We will not make the NCAA tournament until Mooney is gone. That is a fact. If we get a new coach next year then I think we actually have a shot of getting back there. Also as someone on here said before don't discount the possibility of players transferring out after this year because if we keep Mooney IT WILL HAPPEN. What do you have to say about that VT? I guess keeping Mooney and as a result being competitive and contending for the NIT is good enough for you and the rest of the truthers.

So what's with the attitude and insults? Sure, someone will transfer, though no one of consequence. Mooney will be here another year and the expectation will be set that it's the NCAA's or he's out. Hardt releases Schafer and that squelches people who think he won't make a move.

This whole "truthers" thing is beyond ridiculous. We all want the Spiders to win (well, most of us anyway :D), though have different opinions on the coach and his tenure. He's under contract, and unless you and others are going to pony up a whole bunch of dough to cover it, "keeping Mooney" is the reality for now. Not speaking for VT, though that's what I have to say about that.
 
Mooney will be here another year and the expectation will be set that it's the NCAA's or he's out. Hardt releases Schafer and that squelches people who think he won't make a move.

This, I fear, is the likely outcome. People like me will be left to decide if it annoys us enough that we "write off" Richmond athletics altogether since this action will sort of announce to the market that UR puts a very low value on winning on the field.
 
This, I fear, is the likely outcome. People like me will be left to decide if it annoys us enough that we "write off" Richmond athletics altogether since this action will sort of announce to the market that UR puts a very low value on winning on the field.

I was just about to write something similar to this. It's just not going to be fun watching us lose to 2 Big South teams and an OVC team in non-conference year after year, and have people say everything is fine. If Queally loves Mooney so much, he can watch his team in an empty arena, because we're headed that way.
 
This whole "truthers" thing is beyond ridiculous. We all want the Spiders to win (well, most of us anyway :D), though have different opinions on the coach and his tenure. He's under contract, and unless you and others are going to pony up a whole bunch of dough to cover it, "keeping Mooney" is the reality for now. Not speaking for VT, though that's what I have to say about that.
I agree with you mostly Pride. I am not as happy with Mooney as you would seem to be, but I do think some circumstances outside of his control may have negatively impacted our NCAA bids since 2011. I do think he fully deserves another year. Not the greatest class ever, I don't like that talk as it is a mish mash of classes compiled into one. They will have some impressive offensive fire power, and I think we have a shot to go dancing in 2020. If we can achieve a top 4 seed in the A10 this season, I really think Gilyard can lead us on a magic run. I vote for a coaching change after this year, but if Chris can pull this off I will be psyched for the possibilities and attention for next year.
 
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We all understood why we had crappy seasons in Mooney's first two years. There is literally no excuse for having two of them now, in his 13th and 14th seasons. Allowing him to remain would be one thing if we had seen some upward trend the past couple seasons. We have seen the opposite.

Retain him and you might as well just disband the basketball program, because it would be loud statement that we don't care at all.
 
BSH, I'm certainly not comparing our next year's team to the 2009/10 or 2010/11 teams.

just saying on paper, next year's juniors are an impressive bunch. we'll see what they accomplish.
 
This, I fear, is the likely outcome. People like me will be left to decide if it annoys us enough that we "write off" Richmond athletics altogether since this action will sort of announce to the market that UR puts a very low value on winning on the field.

I mentioned thoughts similar to these in the Duquesne forecast thread. Seems to be some alignment in our thought process about the path forward
 
Look, in all fairness, I'm not happy with Mooney's performance. Like many on here, I do like the guy and believe he is a good reflection of our program. Winning of course is of paramount importance. I know for a fact that he will not be as hampered as he has in the past with recruits that were on the margin academically. The whole Malcom Bernard debacle is a prime example. I seriously believe that if he was allowed to stay that we would have made the NCAA's that year and then half these conversations would be moot. Malcom over Kwesi is a huge difference maker. Having Hardt in his corner will help and I think it's reasonable (at this point) to afford him that opportunity.
 
We will not make the NCAA tournament until Mooney is gone. That is a fact. If we get a new coach next year then I think we actually have a shot of getting back there. Also as someone on here said before don't discount the possibility of players transferring out after this year because if we keep Mooney IT WILL HAPPEN. What do you have to say about that VT? I guess keeping Mooney and as a result being competitive and contending for the NIT is good enough for you and the rest of the truthers.

Well, what I have to say is your saying we will not make the tourney with Mooney still here is your opinion, not a fact. I realize message boards are full of opinions, but I thought I would clear that up since you said it was a fact. It is not.

As far as transfers are concerned, they happen everywhere, and we have probably had as few meaningful transfers as anyone over the years, so I am not at all worried about that.

I, like anyone, prefer an NCAA bid over the NIT. I have never stated competing for NIT bids was what I wanted.
 
I know for a fact that he will not be as hampered as he has in the past with recruits that were on the margin academically.

Care to elaborate? If true, would be at least one sign of a positive direction our program is making in addition to the practice facility
 
Care to elaborate? If true, would be at least one sign of a positive direction our program is making in addition to the practice facility
Without revealing sources it was told directly to me, "that will not happen again".

Speaking of the practice facility - For those who think Mr. Quelly is fine with the status quo, that isn't necessarily the case. I had an opportunity to thank him for his major donation to the practice facility and his immediate reply (after being gracious) was, "Now we have to start winning". He's obviously a competitive guy and wants to see us win as much, if not more, than the next person.

Keep the faith!
 
My opinion on here has been pretty consistent. I am not for or against Mooney inherently, but just want to see results being produced. If Mooney can do that, then he deserves to stay longer. If he cannot do it and has been given ample opportunity to do so (which he has), he should be fired. As things currently stand, I am in the position that Mooney should be fired. Again, if Mooney can win the A10 tournament I will change my mind.

Unfortunately, I have the same feeling that many of you here have regarding Mooney staying here another year. Like others have said, Hardt will more than likely fire Schaeffer to show that he can fire under performing coaches to hopefully deflect the fact Mooney hasn't been fired. I remain hopeful that Hardt will still fire Mooney at the end of this year - if results play out like the first half of the season - because there will be many good coaches on the market.

I don't know what Hardt is thinking so this is complete conjecture on my part. I still think that there remains some possibility of Hardt firing Mooney this year, but it'll require an atrocious A10 record like 3-5 wins to finish out the year with a total record of about 10-12 wins. However, that won't likely happen since we will beat enough of the bottom feeder teams to finish A10 play with at least 7 wins. So with a record of 14-17 wins, even with an overall losing record, will be enough to justify the same old "improvement" "wait for next year". Especially if Mooney has more leniency with recruiting, the new practice facility being built, etc.

If this were to be the case that Mooney has one more year and Hardt came out and publicly stated that next year is NCAA tournament or be fired, I won't be terribly disappointed (but still disappointed to some degree) in keeping Mooney another year. But I really mean Hardt stating that it is NCAA tournament or fired. I don't mean just "improvement" or "being competitive" and I don't mean losing in the A10 championship and being first four out. At the end of the day,it is either we make the NCAA tournament or Mooney is gone, no ifs or buts. This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but it'll at least be nice for Hardt to set objective goals and publicly holding himself accountable to make the necessary changes if we don't meet those objective goals
 
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Without revealing sources it was told directly to me, "that will not happen again".

Speaking of the practice facility - For those who think Mr. Quelly is fine with the status quo, that isn't necessarily the case. I had an opportunity to thank him for his major donation to the practice facility and his immediate reply (after being gracious) was, "Now we have to start winning". He's obviously a competitive guy and wants to see us win as much, if not more, than the next person.

Keep the faith!

Thanks SpiderPride, sounds like a lot of good news coming out of our athletic department. I am glad to hear that there are tangible efforts being made to move our program in the right direction. Also, Queally has done a lot to help our program and I don't think he is appreciated enough for it. Sure he's friends with Mooney, but I'd like to think that even he has a point where enough is enough - whether this year or next year. He does strike me as a competitive guy and it seems that everyone from the AD to the school to the fans to the major donors all have that fire in our bellies to strive for greatness. Even if Mooney ends up staying another year, it sounds like there is some effort being made to get us onto that path!
 
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But I really mean Hardt stating that it is NCAA tournament or fired. I don't mean just "improvement" or "being competitive" and I don't mean losing in the A10 championship and being first four out.
What if I were to tell you we are "competing" for championships right now?
How about: "The good fans in Iowa come out to all the games and cheer their A$$ off no matter the product"
Is that something you might be interested in?

 
Also, Queally has done a lot to help our program and I don't think he is appreciated enough for it. Sure he's friends with Mooney, but I'd like to think that even he has a point where enough is enough
If we win 12-14 games that is were the rubber meets the road. In that case, we should not retain Mooney, and if we do so it would be squarely on PQ's backing. I don't know PQ's net worth exactly but from what I believe, his practice facility donation and buying out the rest of Moon's contract really does not impact him. Probably loses or gains way more than that ~ 10 mill on slight market movements.
 
It is good to hear that we hopefully don't have these supposed academic restrictions in place any longer. That should help in general. Again, I have never said we should go after thugs and derelicts, but we should definitely be able to go after fine players and citizens like Marquis and Malcolm for sure.
 
If this were to be the case that Mooney has one more year and Hardt came out and publicly stated that next year is NCAA tournament or be fired

Is this something an AD would even do? Is there any precedent for this? Asking honestly because nothing is coming to mind.

To me an ultimatum like that is just a bad idea, stated publicly at least.

In my opinion, if Hardt thinks Mooney is the right guy for the job he has 13 years of evidence to look at. Why would only next year's results determine if he is the right coach for us going forward?

Similarly, if he doesn't think he's the guy for the job, he should have plenty of evidence (2 seasons of watching in person plus 11 years prior) to base his decision off of and not have to rely on the performance of only one season.
 
If this were to be the case that Mooney has one more year and Hardt came out and publicly stated that next year is NCAA tournament or be fired, I won't be terribly disappointed (but still disappointed to some degree) in keeping Mooney another year. But I really mean Hardt stating that it is NCAA tournament or fired. I don't mean just "improvement" or "being competitive" and I don't mean losing in the A10 championship and being first four out. At the end of the day,it is either we make the NCAA tournament or Mooney is gone, no ifs or buts. This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but it'll at least be nice for Hardt to set objective goals and publicly holding himself accountable to make the necessary changes if we don't meet those objective goals

To qualify my post, I am agreeing with everything you say here.

The part about it that gives me such indigestion is that everyone with more than a couple brain cells knows we won't be anywhere close to an NCAA bid again next year. We are a bottom of the table team in the A10 this year. We will be fortunate to be in the top half of A10 teams next year... and the A10 will only send 3 teams to the NCAA at most. We know it, Mooney knows it, the team probably knows it. Hardt and Queally probably even know it. They just aren't ready to go to our BOT with their hats in hand yet.

Essentially, Hardt and Queally are telling us to take a nap until the A10 tournament in March of 2020. The problem is there's no guarantee anybody wakes up from their nap from Spider Basketball then.
 
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Is this something an AD would even do? Is there any precedent for this? Asking honestly because nothing is coming to mind.

I was told in the parking lot at a football game this fall that Hardt met with an alumni group last year. The group was all over him about Mooney's lack of performance and Hardt told them that Mooney had been given a 2 year "go to the NCAA or else ultimatum".

I'm hearing this 2nd or 3rd hand but it did come from someone that I trust.

My hope was that the Oral Roberts, Longwood, and Hampton disasters accelerated the timetable but I have reason to believe that it has not.
 
I don't think Mooney is a good representative of our University and here is why.

Accountability and Leadership: I want an accountable leader as our men's basketball coach. He has proven beyond any shadow of doubt in my mind that he is not accountable and does not have good leadership abilities. He sets no external goals for our program, he ignores a large number of his constituents and doesn't accept responsibility when we don't meet expectations.

Results and alienation of fan base and donors: He has led our basketball program into obscurity and alienated a good portion of the fan base and donors due to the results of him doing his job. He is making his boss and our entire athletic departments job so much more difficult. I don't think someone who is mediocre to poor at his job is a good representative of our University.

Public Speaking/Personality: In terms of being a good face for the program. He is a substandard public speaker for a D-1 men's basketball coach. Go listen to Bennett for a few minutes and his values, listen to James Franklin up at Penn State. These guys inspire and offer great incite and leadership as to how they want to mold not just their programs but the young men they are charged with leading. Listening to Mooney for longer than 5 minutes and you get the same recycled coach speak he said last press conference. I have had numerous interactions with people who he has interfaced with in the local community and the consistent feedback I hear is that he is not very personable and kind of forgettable.

I think a lot of us confuse the fact that Chris is a nice human being and the fact that he does not get in any trouble or scandals with being a good representative of our men's basketball program. I consider those things prerequisites for anyone we would employ, not deliverables that point to their excellence.
 
Homer has vision while the rest of the world wears bifocals.

he made a statement that you think he only made to save his job. as if that would do it. fine. whatever. you say it's a fact so who am I to argue.

do you disagree with the statement?

next year's junior class. Golden, Gilyard, Cayo, Sherod and Francis. could that be the most talent we've had in a class? take into consideration that ...
I AM NOT SAYING MOONEY HAS TO COACH THEM.

that's irrelevant to the statement, which I happen to agree with and I get blasted for agreeing with.

No, I don't think this class is suppossedly the best ever. Here is why:

I would still take the Anderson, Harp, Geriot, Smitty class and here is why:

1. Defense: All of those guys could and would defend. Golden and Sherod are sub-par defenders, which detracts from their really good offensive abilities.

2. Toughness and heart: Geriot and Smitty were tough players and played with heart. Gilyard plays that way as well, but the rest of our team plays soft (that is not a criticism of their personal attributes but just how I see them play 0N THE COURT). They don't contest drives to the hoops, they get dunked on frequently, they aren't out there physically leading their teammates when they other team makes a run etc... Geriot would tag a guy in the nads at least once every other game just to show him whose boss. Was that dirty, yeah maybe a little, but man was it effective. Whoever had to guard Geriot knew they were leaving that game bruised and hurt.

3. Kevin Anderson: Guy is in our rafters for a reason. Gilyard and Golden might be the stars on this team, but Anderson is a legend at UR. He made every single guy on his squad so much better. We aren't hanging Gilly or Golden jersey in the rafters.

4. Athletic ability: Harp and Smitty could dunk on and over you. KA could make you look silly in any number of ways. That team also had Garrett as back up in the middle another really intimidating player. We have no one that is physically intimidating on this current group of players. That matters, a lot in my opinion.

The 2011 team would beat next years squad by double digits, nine out of 10 times.[/QUOTE]
97 I would tend to agree with you on the 2011 squad with also adding Martel coming off the bench and of course Gonzo. This team was not intimidated by anyone and even when the lost to Kansas in the Sweet 16, they did not give up and came out the second half and fought hard even game was over at half time and did not hang their heads. This team had 8 strong players who did not hurt you when subbing.

Big change between these two teams is attitude and toughness. Now I will disagree that Gilyard and Grant will not make the rafters. Man this is their second year and a long ways to go. These guys have the potential and room to improve. I want to see their names in the rafters. Now if Geriot had not blown out his knee, his last two years, he would have been a lot stronger and his moves around the basket better since he lost some lateral movement. Yes now the 2011 would beat them a majority of the time, but let's compare them when these guys have two more years, and it might be more even match.
 
This class has good individual players but I don't think its constructed well to be a successful team to operate within the systems that the coach attempts to deploy - especially on defense, which is a pretty important part of the game.
 
Is this something an AD would even do? Is there any precedent for this? Asking honestly because nothing is coming to mind.

To me an ultimatum like that is just a bad idea, stated publicly at least.

In my opinion, if Hardt thinks Mooney is the right guy for the job he has 13 years of evidence to look at. Why would only next year's results determine if he is the right coach for us going forward?

Similarly, if he doesn't think he's the guy for the job, he should have plenty of evidence (2 seasons of watching in person plus 11 years prior) to base his decision off of and not have to rely on the performance of only one season.

It was probably more wishful thinking on my part, and you're more than likely right Hardt won't flat out say it like that. But I'd like to here something along the lines of "We have placed expectations squarely on making the NCAA tournament this year" from Hardt or something like that where it is clear to those involved that this is truly it. Again, may be wishful thinking on my part, but I think it would help quiet some part of the frustration with this fan base that feel as though our AD won't hold Mooney accountable for not achieving goals.

To address the second point, I'm right there with you. There has been 14 years of evidence (even more if you include Air Force and Beaver College record) that Mooney is not cut out for the job. If it were up to me, as things stand, Mooney should be fired at the end of the season because there has been ample evidence to suggest he can't turn things around. I'd like to think that Hardt recognizes this and his argument (which is understandable to some extent) to keeping Mooney another year is that Mooney has been tied back by administration and he didn't have the facilities (which make a huge difference. Just ask Huesman and our football staff). So Hardt might be saying to Mooney behind the scenes "Look, you now can recruit almost anyone you want and you will have a world-class practice facility to pitch to recruits" If you can't make NCAA with this, there is absolutely no more excuses. Or maybe Hardt does want to fire him now, but Queally wants to give Mooney one more chance with the new practice facility and more lenient recruiting measures. I have no clue. Again, this is simply conjecture.

To qualify my post, I am agreeing with everything you say here.

The part about it that gives me such indigestion is that everyone with more than a couple brain cells knows we won't be anywhere close to an NCAA bid again next year. We are a bottom of the table team in the A10 this year. We will be fortunate to be in the top half of A10 teams next year... and the A10 will only send 3 teams to the NCAA at most. We know it, Mooney knows it, the team probably knows it. Hardt and Queally probably even know it. They just aren't ready to go to our BOT with their hats in hand yet.

Essentially, Hardt and Queally are telling us to take a nap until the A10 tournament in March of 2020. The problem is there's no guarantee anybody wakes up from their nap from Spider Basketball then.

I agree that many fans know that Mooney more than likely won't do it next year either. Maybe Queally knows that too but because he's friends with Mooney is giving him one more year because of the facilities and lenient recruiting standards (see my post to gospidergo). But I'd like to think that if Mooney fails to make the NCAA tournament next year with all the other improvements, he will have exhausted all his "free passes" from Queally/Hardt and they'll then write him a nice check to buyout the rest of his contract. I wish the administration would do it now 1) to speed up the process and 2) there will be a lot of good coaches on the market this season. However, I don't call the shots.

I really think this boils down to the fact that Queally is friends with Mooney, Mooney has been limited by facilities & recruiting standards in the past, and I am sure that Mooney is a likable guy with the team and his coworkers, which makes it harder to fire him. So Hardt is giving him every possible reason to keep his job, which in this case is the practice facility and recruiting leniency. Plus to be fair to Mooney, we were first four out of NCAA about 5 years ago and like I just said, there were several strong players we should have landed that the administration screwed us over on - no fault of Mooney. Given that, do I think this absolves Mooney from the fact we haven't made the NCAA in 8 years and likely won't this year or next year? No. Like you said, I think it is clear to almost everyone that Mooney should be fired because he cannot coach at this level. However, there have been some grey area things that haven't gone Mooney's way, he is friends with Queally, and because of this, he may be given one more year with the recruiting leniency, facilities, chartered planes, and any other thing that was held as an excuse holding him back in the past. However, I'm sure that this will be the final straw for even Queally/Hardt.

Bottom line. I wish Mooney is fired at the end of the season if things continue the way it has the first half of the season. However, because of the reasons I alluded to above, my gut feeling is that he will likely be given one more (and final) chance.
 
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I really think this boils down to the fact that Queally is friends with Mooney,

Your entire post make sense but it really all boils down to this, like you say.

Can someone that bothers to attend the game tonight give the all important halftime update... Does Paul walk around the court to give Lia a big hug?

That's pretty much the only suspense left in attending a game in the Robins Center.
 
How about: "The good fans in Iowa come out to all the games and cheer their A$$ off no matter the product"
Is that something you might be interested in?
The part he left out of his Iowa analogy was that it was the beginning of the Hayden Fry era. Would the fans have kept coming out if Iowa hadn't moved on from Commings?
 
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Spiderstudent 17 said[

'Plus to be fair to Mooney, we were first four out of NCAA about 5 years ago and like I just said, there were several strong players we should have landed that the administration screwed us over on - no fault of Mooney. Given that, do I think this absolves Mooney from the fact we haven't made the NCAA in 8 years and likely won't this year or next year?'

Please someone help me find the I WANT TO BARF EMOJI

 
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Spiderstudent 17 said[

'Plus to be fair to Mooney, we were first four out of NCAA about 5 years ago and like I just said, there were several strong players we should have landed that the administration screwed us over on - no fault of Mooney. Given that, do I think this absolves Mooney from the fact we haven't made the NCAA in 8 years and likely won't this year or next year?'

Please someone help me fine the BARF EMOJI


I don’t know maybe try this one :confused:. Looks like the emoji is about to barf at least.

You also cut out the very next thing I said after I ask whether it absolves Mooney from not making the tournament which is “No”

My point isn’t whether I think Mooney should be fired or not. I’ve stated that as things stand right now, Mooney should be fired at the end of the season. My point is that Mooney has been close in making it within the past 8 years and has had several recruiting misses that were no fault of his own. This, along with the new facility and more recruiting leniency may be enough that the powers at be give him one final chance. Again, I hope that this isn’t the case and that Mooney will be fired if we don’t win the A10 tournament this year because there are a lot of great coaches out there for us to hire right now. I’m just coming to grip with the fact that unless we have a disastrous A10 record, he may be given another year and these are some of the reasons why
 
I also think if Mooney is brought back next year and given this ultimatum to make the NCAA's or else that it says a lot about who the next coach will be. To me this screams that Hardt is going to bring in Nathan Davis and I'm not sure that's who we want as our next coach.
 
I don’t know maybe try this one :confused:. Looks like the emoji is about to barf at least.

You also cut out the very next thing I said after I ask whether it absolves Mooney from not making the tournament which is “No”

My point isn’t whether I think Mooney should be fired or not. I’ve stated that as things stand right now, Mooney should be fired at the end of the season. My point is that Mooney has been close in making it within the past 8 years and has had several recruiting misses that were no fault of his own. This, along with the new facility and more recruiting leniency may be enough that the powers at be give him one final chance. Again, I hope that this isn’t the case and that Mooney will be fired if we don’t win the A10 tournament this year because there are a lot of great coaches out there for us to hire right now. I’m just coming to grip with the fact that unless we have a disastrous A10 record, he may be given another year and these are some of the reasons why
My point is you are making over $1mil a year- get a set baXXX and pound your fist on whomevers desk- AD's, Queally, Crutcher's etc if you think you are being screwed-but no he sat there FAT,DUMB AND HAPPY with his fat contract- I don't see much in leaderhip qualities there! No self respect!
 
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My point is you are making over $1mil a year- get a set baXXX and pound your fist on whomevers desk- AD's, Queally, Crutcher's etc if you think you are being screwed-but no he sat there FAT,DUMB AND HAPPY with his fat contract- I don't see much in leaderhip qualities there! No self respect!
Amen. I've said the same thing before. He's basically the second-highest paid employee of the university. If he thought he deserved to have more leeway with recruits, he should have fought like hell for it. If Gill wasn't helping, go public with complaints if you need to until things are resolved. What was going to happen? They weren't going to fire him, obviously. Instead, he did nothing.
 
Amen. I've said the same thing before. He's basically the second-highest paid employee of the university. If he thought he deserved to have more leeway with recruits, he should have fought like hell for it. If Gill wasn't helping, go public with complaints if you need to until things are resolved. What was going to happen? They weren't going to fire him, obviously. Instead, he did nothing.
Yes, made the same point. He just didn't care enough to rock the boat. Fat and happy is right.
 
Pretty sure that most ADs would not paint themselves into a corner like this.

I agree, and I think if we end up with another bad year this year, it would not be hard to figure out that next year better be a real good one whether the AD speaks up or not.
 
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