So you don’t care about trying to win titles? That’s what it’s about at the end of the day. Have to just think of you as a loser if you don’t care about trying to win.
Spider football to the Patriot League in 2025
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If we hadn’t really had any success then I’d agree with you. Once again we have won a national title and have a bunch of conference titles, playoff appearances and playoff success in the last 2 decades. You don’t make this move if you’re a program that has had the level of success we’ve had.
Anyone know if it is true that we canceled plans for a football conference with Villanova, Delaware, VMI, JMU, W&M, UR, Furman and The Citadel, so we could move to the A10? Back in 2000…
All true. But the good CAA teams have already left. This conference is a shell of it''s old self. Let's see what Villanova does! Who cares about western Carolina does or ut chatt or wofford. Furman only school we've had with a past. Hell, the good teams from the Southern conference have moved on well. We aren't going FBS. Never happen
Mo, you’re handling this well. I will follow your lead. So what are your drinking?
Ok and all those programs you named are still far better than anyone in the patriot league. I’m just guessing here but I think there’s a pretty good chance that since 2005 when we really took off that we have more playoff wins than the entire patriot league does in that time. Patriot also is a regular one bid league while the SoCon gets 3-4 in a year. It’s not even close to the level we need to be at.
Think what you want.
We will win plenty of Patriot League titles. We will win plenty of Patriot League games. We will have a better chance of winning in the Patriot League than we did winning the CAA because we will be competing apples-to-apples with our conference competitors.
That's not true now, given the financial and admission advantages the public schools in the CAA have over us. It certainly wasn't true when ODU, JMU and Delaware were in the league.
If your only measure of success is winning FCS national titles, if "that's what it's about at the end of the day," then you are almost, almost always going to be disappointed; in fact, you'd be disappointed with every single year in the 100+ season history of Spider football, except for one.
Contrary to your belief, college athletics is about far, far more than winning titles.
And the fact "we have plenty of money" does not mean we should spend it foolishly. Part of the reason we have "plenty of money" is we don't spend it foolishly.
I was hoping for losing the home opener to Delaware in basketball Mo today.
You do know we’ve won a national title right? And also been a few plays away from winning at least one more. Even in 2016 there’s a good chance that if the roster didn’t fall apart due to injuries that we win one that year. You’re acting like we can’t compete at the level we’re at when we quite literally were one of the best programs in our conference over the last 2 decades. By my count only jmu has more league titles than us in that span. We actually had more success when the CAA was even tougher than it is now so to say that we can’t win in at this level unless we drop down to the patriot league means you’re a moron. Also I doubt we win Anything in the patriot league because now that we’re in it we’re just gonna use that as an excuse to take football even less seriously.
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Gonna need to up our spelling and grammar game in the Patriot.
I believe they allow non med redshirts now. But they do have an Academic Index that affects recruiting but idk if much different than our own standards. I know little about it their rules fwiw I'm just going by a few comments of Pat League posters over on AGS when I glanced at reactions over there.
CAA turned into a bummer! Socon didnot fit our profile.
Overall, Patriot league is a good decision and better than Socon. Hoping Villanova will join and possibly W&M.
Overall, Patriot league is a good decision and better than Socon. Hoping Villanova will join and possibly W&M.
- 63 scholarships
- Academics
- Travel
- Majority students & alumni from NE
- Must win to bring fans back
- Espn+
- Recruiting still has great facilities, best geographic location and academically the U of R diploma!
- Stepping stone to NFL or pro football doesn't change
So based on this we would be 3rd in the Patriot in ratings and in the middle of the pack in the SoCon.
Based on Playoff Bids in 2024:
MVFC - 6
Big Sky - 4
CAA - 4
SoCon - 3
The other 6 conferences competing - 1 each
Of course Delaware has one of the bids and we had another, so that's 2 leaving from the CAA. I don't see how the CAA can keep getting multi-bids the direction the conference is taking.
Hoping Nova comes over to Patriot and maybe the Patriot can get more than one bid.
Are redshirts permanent or was that only for duration of Covid. I don’t know and we will see.
If no redshirts, that does make it difficult.
This is about money. The NIL requirements for the Patriot League are much lower than the CAA. This is designed to cut the monetary support for football at UR. Richmond will never get top flight quality players in football- like Tim Hightower, Kyle Lauletta, Reece Udinsky, Jacob Herres or Shawn Barber.
who's their rival now? Delaware is gone. Maybe they'd rather play Georgetown? but hey, There is always Bryant Monmouth Hampton and NC a&t
Besides Villanova. Are there any other available private northeastern academically elite schools that also do well at FCS football the PL can add?Gonna need to up our spelling and grammar game in the Patriot.
If Richmond is smart, they become the bell cow and drive the other schools to keep up and strengthen the league. The CAA is very steadily headed in the wrong direction and the PL just got stronger. All it would take is for Nova and WM to leave and that would be the end of the CAA. It would not surprise me to see WM go FBS in the footsteps of JMU, ODU and Liberty. It's just going to keep changing. This could be an okay stopping off place.
The $5 million FBS buy-in wasn't.
NCAA committee considers increasing transition cost to FBS from $5,000 to $5 million
Football Championship Subdivision schools soon could be paying a lot more to play at the NCAA’s top level.
apnews.com
W&M is not going FBS. It can't afford it.
As I said on one of the other discussions, I'm not sure how I feel about this medium and long term. Short term it might be a convenient placeholder while we wait to see how the FCS landscape shakes out. And at least initially, we should be able to win quite a few games, so the first few years we might actually have a better W-L record. After that, we'll see.
How many players will we lose off this roster? How many NFL players have come out of the Patriot League?
Plus William & Mary singularly sucks at all things athletic.The $5 million FBS buy-in wasn't.
NCAA committee considers increasing transition cost to FBS from $5,000 to $5 million
Football Championship Subdivision schools soon could be paying a lot more to play at the NCAA’s top level.
W&M is not going FBS. It can't afford it.
I'm sure the ticket office would refund your money if you asked them.
BTW, the "high school conference" you'll be watching this year is the CAA. Unless you paid a year in advance for your 2025 season tickets.
Patriot is the high school conference. How many playoff wins and national titles do they have? Even if you take just us, unh, William and Mary, nova, and Elon it’s a far better league. Hell even if it’s just us as a program we have accomplished far more than the entire patriot league combined.
Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Perhaps you should read the post I quoted again.
I would add W&M, UNH, ME, RI, Elon and Albany to the PL, if they are serious about football.
So, remove UR and Delaware from the CAA and put UR in the Patriot League and they essentially are even-steven.
Change the out of conference scheduling to drop the Morgan States and Howards of the world and replace them with the likes of Furman and UTC and the overall schedule strength will be okay.
