Smoke or Fire?
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My only disagreement was that you said he had 0 atheletism. Which is your opinion. I completely disagree.
I’ve been to practices. I observed a young freshman trying to make the jump to division 1 ball. But at no time did I think he had zero atheletism.
Maybe your unaware. But when you transfer to another division 1 school you have to sit a year. That would be 2 years of sitting. Putting him in college for 6 years. Sound illogical for a KID that’s trying to get an education ang play ball don’t you think?
By no means am I suggesting he would have been the Richmond savior. However I believe he could have matured into a contributor.
As far as your snarky why are you his father comment. Totally irrelevant. In full disclosure I’ve met his dad. And he’s a nice guy. So no. I’m not his father.
I’ve been to practices. I observed a young freshman trying to make the jump to division 1 ball. But at no time did I think he had zero atheletism.
Maybe your unaware. But when you transfer to another division 1 school you have to sit a year. That would be 2 years of sitting. Putting him in college for 6 years. Sound illogical for a KID that’s trying to get an education ang play ball don’t you think?
By no means am I suggesting he would have been the Richmond savior. However I believe he could have matured into a contributor.
As far as your snarky why are you his father comment. Totally irrelevant. In full disclosure I’ve met his dad. And he’s a nice guy. So no. I’m not his father.
Only way to get 6 years is with an injury redshirt. Transferring to another D1 school means 5 years total. If you have already had a redshirt you will only get to play for 3 years total.
This goes to the discussion about athleticism vs. being a purist basketball player. If you can recruit a great athlete who is also a great basketball player then make it happen. They will be first choice. Problem is though, the Spiders haven't been able to get enough of these on a consistent basis.
On the other side, a lot of schools are excluding talent because of the athlete only philosophy. Interesting that every year many schools in the NCAA tournament are doing quite well with players who were passed on by the big boys. Of course, every player evaluation is individual, but I think blinders and preconceived notions can play a significant role.
There is no doubt that UR's staff (like a lot of others in the country) prefers the athlete to the basketball savvy. Deion Taylor, Trey Davis, Phoenix Ford, and MANY others make this point. Maybe a school like Richmond would be wise to open their eyes to a different style of player. If you make good choices you can be rewarded. Many Euro players and Australians fall into this category. A lot of them can flat out play, but if they are compared on an athletic scale many fall short.
You also said it was the most inaccurate thing you read in the thread. I went ahead and elaborated for you that athleticism is relative and he has 0 athleticism to contribute to this program for us to compete in the A10. If you don't think so that's fine too. As for the snarky comment, perhaps don't grandstand off my comment and you wont get one?
Also, as a former student-athlete (An unathletic one I might add) I know you have 5 years to complete 4 seasons of eligibility at the division I level unless there is a medical exemption. You can also transfer after graduating without sitting out. Although he probably would of sat on the bench for an extra year after transferring anyway because he wasn't good enough to play/succeed/contribute at the mid major (or low major) D1 other then shooting.
Khwan will start here and play 35 minutes a game. Guess if he leaves it’s just chasing a NCAA sure thing.
Especially important to recruit for system fits if you're trying to run particular systems.
Khwan would be very sought after in the grad transfer market. I couldn't blame him for wanting to go home and play for Auburn/Alabama and make the NCAA for one time in his college career.
When ANO left we had a senior laden team ready to make an NCAA run, that is not what we have next year.
we're not senior laden, but we're experienced. and pretty talented. I'm not betting my ranch or anything, but I could see the biggest turnaround we've had. the off-season has to go well, though. we can't be replacing Khwan.
Think that this is highly unlikely. As has been demonstrated, Fore will play large minutes and have a big role at Richmond. If he went to most schools with an NCAA lineup, he would be coming off the bench in spot duty, exploit advantage situations. Though you point is solid, my guess is that he would not like the trade-off.
13, cannot imagine anyone leaves; they really are a close knit group. Moreover, as Kevin Steenberge once told me about his UR experience, “What’s there not to like?”
The people suggesting we may lose key payers this offseason are likely the same ones suggesting Cline would likely transfer for his senior year. Completely unsubstantiated and nothing more than wishful thinking for those that want the program to suffer so there is additional cause to fire Mooney.
Speaking of players with 0 athleticism, didn't they claim that Larry Bird was a slow motion white guy that couldn't jump?
yeah if he had any athleticism at all, he'd have been pretty good.
I would agree with all this about how bad the hedge is etc. but would note that its 50/50 to me about how much of this is coaching vs. effort. My point here being - - Many teams hedge all ball screens and thus drill it to death and players are unconflicted about what they have to do and go full out after it. Our reads are far more complicated and clearly lead to lack of understanding, hesitation, lack of commitment (but its lack of confidence in what one is doing not lack of effort that causes it) and even frustration. As a coach I have often (not as much anymore I hope) mistaken lack of confidence in what you are doing as lack of effort and its unclear from the video (and more importantly from extended viewing of our team) the true origin of much of what I see.
One thing I feel like is clear that we are bad in many ways defensively and don't seem to have anyone capable of coaching us up to be better. Offensively, I think we got much better as the season went along - - - defensively, not so much. Same problems with execution, same fundamentals lacking, same techniques employed and certainly the same defense stubbornly played.
Great article here:
http://www.greensboro.com/sports/co...cle_5dc698d2-1ee4-5391-903d-c039b83c6b0e.html
Talk about how Miller at UNCG stubbornly stuck to what he knew defensively (which is what he learned at UNC with Dean and Roy) when he was hired. And how he lost a lot doing that. And finally, fearful of being fired, stepped back and analysed that and realized he had to change and changed his defensive philosophy. After being below .500, he has gone 52-17 since changing that philosophy three years ago and improved three years running. Saw similar articles posted recently in coaching blogs about Martelli and Coach K similarly abandoning stubbornly held on to defensive philosophies in the face of unacceptable results. This is the kind of self-evaluation I hope our coach can undertake!!
Interestingly, we actually used to recruit just that kind of guy, kids who were “under-athletic” but were sound players (Geroit, Butler, Brothers, even KA due to being undersized).
After we had NCAA trips we went with higher profile athletes. You have seen the result. Recently we seem to have recruited some guys who were neither real athletic nor that fundamentally sound.
So go figure.
In that particular game the only 2 players that ironically look like they have been coached/taught any defensive fundamentals are GG and PF. Maybe Cayo. The rest look like they have only been playing organized ball for a couple of years. I can see why they don't play man either. No fundamentals at all. The effort comment is aimed at 2 players that were dogging it in defensive transition. One slowed up at half court early in the game before the break had even fully developed. It cost his team a bucket. He learned from it and hustled the rest of the game. The other player(in that game) appeared to be dogging it a lot on the defense end/defensive transition in part because he was struggling on the offensive end. That attitude has to change or it affects the rest of the players on the team. You have to put your best effort forward on both ends of the court no matter how the game is going. You can't sulk or hang your head. When the opponent puts up a shot, we won't even discuss what happens or doesn't happen then.
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