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Smoke or Fire?

when you say their bench, that's one player! If you want to say you think Griffin beat us, fine. he was very good, other than his foul shooting.

but he's really their 5th starter. they choose to bring him off the bench but he plays starters minutes (30 mpg). that's doesn't make him a one man bench.

and Mobley was the catalyst.
 
spiderman said:
when you say their bench, that's one player! If you want to say you think Griffin beat us, fine. he was very good, other than his foul shooting.

but he's really their 5th starter. they choose to bring him off the bench but he plays starters minutes (30 mpg). that's doesn't make him a one man bench.

and Mobley was the catalyst.
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Our 5th starter quit and our 8 points came from one guy. I do understand what you are saying though.
 
There are some pretty compelling reasons to NOT transfer too, and these should be given consideration, even if things did not "feel" very good this season.

1. Most transfers have to sit out a season and lose a season of eligibility. For real players who love the game, sitting out a year can be VERY tough. Ask our red-shirts.

2. Most of our transfers have had very negative overall outcomes. Just look at ANO, and some of the transfers who did not work out for academic or skills reasons, who went to worse programs and were never heard from again. We have lots of posters here who can give names and transfer destinations.

3. Finally, sometimes you don't realize what you have until you lose it. For example, if you like your teammates, and get along well with the coaches, generally, there are some really toxic team "cultures" out there and they are looking hard for transfers. Jumping from the smoke into the frying pan, is not what any player expects happen, but there are lots of +s to staying at UR too.

4. You also have to be just a bit "tone-deaf" to not see that this team does have a lot of talent and the potential to be really good. Transferring to a program like Pitt, for example, may look like a step upward, but in many cases it is not.

Hope this is just some "smoke" being spread by trolls, that will blow over soon. Bottom line: It is sometimes hard for players (and others) to appreciate what they have until they lose it....
 
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Great points. Could it be the coach is taking away from these players the very attributes that they saw when they loved them and brought them to Richmond only to change the way they play for the “weave”? Last time I post for a few weeks. Until the smoke settles. Where there is smoke. There is fire.
 
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I know the weave annoys a lot of you, but we have a very effective offense. it took a while but these guys are good at it now. nice ball movement leading to clean outside shots, while still getting the ball to the block. offense was not our problem.

on transfers, have we had any big time players transfer out ... ever? all I can think of is ANO as a grad transfer, and he had already lost his starting spot to TJ.
Stephens and Cunningham didn't come back, but didn't go anywhere I don't think. I guess Daon, but not sure how that went down. was that his choice?
 
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Great points. Could it be the coach is taking away from these players the very attributes that they saw when they loved them and brought them to Richmond only to change the way they play for the “weave”? Last time I post for a few weeks. Until the smoke settles. Where there is smoke. There is fire.
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Interesting observation. Are you referencing specific player or players with this point?
 
spiderman said:
I know the weave annoys a lot of you, but we have a very effective offense. it took a while but these guys are good at it now. nice ball movement leading to clean outside shots, while still getting the ball to the block. offense was not our problem.

on transfers, have we had any big time players transfer out ... ever? all I can think of is ANO as a grad transfer, and he had already lost his starting spot to TJ.
Stephens and Cunningham didn't come back, but didn't go anywhere I don't think. I guess Daon, but not sure how that went down. was that his choice?
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Daon was asked to leave and had an altercation with a female, if I remember right.
 
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I know we've had a few players transfer who looked like they were potential key contributors off the bench. First was Kadeem Smithen who looked like he could have been a very good ballhandler, but the injury came and he was then at the bottom of the rotation. We students on campus were actually excited about him due to how he looked in early games.

Jesse Pistokache is next. I always thought he looked scared whenever he got the ball but he was only a freshman. Then came the incident on campus where at a Women's Rights get together in the Forum he yelled "F**K her right in the p***sy" along with a few other things (His twitter account shows he is definitely right wing so what he yelled went along with that) and as soon as that happened he never played another game for UR. Guess he preferred sitting out a year somewhere else over a very lengthy suspension.

These are two guys who would have still been here and looked like they were capable of at least giving us 5-8 minutes off the bench which would have been really big.

Oh yeah, I think the highest profile transfer along with Ododa would have been Wayne Sparrow. Ironically his UMBC Retrievers are in the dance before we are!

Then, not a transfer, but Derrick Williams being suspended and eventually kicked from the team. This one is interesting because there was a very big rumor going around campus that he failed a drug test due to one of the players (not going to name a specific name) disliking him or having a feud with him. It was alleged at the time that this one player took all of the drug tests for the team due to being the only player clean from any illegal drugs. Don't know what the truth behind it was, but every student on campus knew the rumor.
 
spiderman said:
I know the weave annoys a lot of you, but we have a very effective offense. it took a while but these guys are good at it now. nice ball movement leading to clean outside shots, while still getting the ball to the block. offense was not our problem.

on transfers, have we had any big time players transfer out ... ever? all I can think of is ANO as a grad transfer, and he had already lost his starting spot to TJ.
Stephens and Cunningham didn't come back, but didn't go anywhere I don't think. I guess Daon, but not sure how that went down. was that his choice?
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Didn't we already mention Varga & Bacote? https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/william-herndon-1.html to Umass?

As for the weave, the vast majority of the time it looks like they are just going through the motions. But there was an analysis of a play from one of our games in DC, where the announcer counted 7 or 8 passes and each player made a valid attempt at creating his own offense. Maybe first half vs Bonnies? First time I ever saw what they were attempting...
 
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I know we've had a few players transfer who looked like they were potential key contributors off the bench. First was Kadeem Smithen who looked like he could have been a very good ballhandler, but the injury came and he was then at the bottom of the rotation. We students on campus were actually excited about him due to how he looked in early games.

Jesse Pistokache is next. I always thought he looked scared whenever he got the ball but he was only a freshman. Then came the incident on campus where at a Women's Rights get together in the Forum he yelled "F**K her right in the p***sy" along with a few other things (His twitter account shows he is definitely right wing so what he yelled went along with that) and as soon as that happened he never played another game for UR. Guess he preferred sitting out a year somewhere else over a very lengthy suspension.

These are two guys who would have still been here and looked like they were capable of at least giving us 5-8 minutes off the bench which would have been really big.

Oh yeah, I think the highest profile transfer along with Ododa would have been Wayne Sparrow. Ironically his UMBC Retrievers are in the dance before we are!

Then, not a transfer, but Derrick Williams being suspended and eventually kicked from the team. This one is interesting because there was a very big rumor going around campus that he failed a drug test due to one of the players (not going to name a specific name) disliking him or having a feud with him. It was alleged at the time that this one player took all of the drug tests for the team due to being the only player clean from any illegal drugs. Don't know what the truth behind it was, but every student on campus knew the rumor.
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Smithen transferred to Siena and did nothing. He scored like 3 points a game this year as a fifth-year senior. Pistokache is playing at some D2 school doing nothing of note. Sparrow was a huge bust here, went to UMBC and did ok, then got hurt and was done. We never should have been recruiting any of those guys, much less signing them.

I have heard similar drug-related issue rumors about previous players from students who would know, but nothing I could ever confirm as fact.
 
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Smithen transferred to Siena and did nothing. He scored like 3 points a game this year as a fifth-year senior. Pistokache is playing at some D2 school doing nothing of note. Sparrow was a huge bust here, went to UMBC and did ok, then got hurt and was done. We never should have been recruiting any of those guys, much less signing them.

I have heard similar drug-related issue rumors about previous players from students who would know, but nothing I could ever confirm as fact.
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I thought the story line was Williams was caught with possession during a traffic stop back home. Waited 2 months until after the court case before telling the staff, and then suspended indefinitely.
 
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Eight Legger said:
Smithen transferred to Siena and did nothing. He scored like 3 points a game this year as a fifth-year senior. Pistokache is playing at some D2 school doing nothing of note. Sparrow was a huge bust here, went to UMBC and did ok, then got hurt and was done. We never should have been recruiting any of those guys, much less signing them.

I have heard similar drug-related issue rumors about previous players from students who would know, but nothing I could ever confirm as fact.
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I'm not disagreeing that they did poorly elsewhere. I'm just saying that in their limited time off the bench here they looked better than what we had coming off the bench this year. And hell, I would have rather had two more Julius Johnson/Joe Kirby's off the bench so that we could have had a little more flexibility and depth, even if the depth was only a few minutes per game.
 
Well, at least we know Jesse P's story. Maybe something similar happened to SS. One of Ol Jer's recruits transferred to Dayton, I think. First or last name started with an A? Williams had something else in addition to what has been mentioned.

Who can forget Tim Mayes and his eventual career ending hip problem? Not a transfer, but never did pan out. I had high hopes for him.
 
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I thought the story line was Williams was caught with possession during a traffic stop back home. Waited 2 months until after the court case before telling the staff, and then suspended indefinitely.
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That’s what really happened.
 
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Interesting story on Jesse. That makes sense on a number of levels, particularly why he just stopped playing his freshman year and got buried on the bench.
 
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That’s what really happened.
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Always figured that the story of the failed drug test was a bit far fetched, especially with the circumstances surrounding it. But did think that it involved drugs in some manner.
 
holy crap, plydogg. that's some stories I never heard. dang. and some names I haven't heard in a while. I'll throw out a few more names to see if anyone remembers anything:
Nick Patrick - didn't he get caught with a dog on campus or something?
Will Holloman - went to Stetson
Michael Stringer - I thought he was going to be a Gilyard
Drew Crank - switched to tennis
Bradley Nanney -
Jason Morton - did well at Davidson
Monty Sanders - did little at Elon
David Brewster - did little at Towson
Courtney Nelson - left for Rutgers, then spent his last year at DIII William Paterson
Jose Garcia - supposed to be a stud, transcript problems
Chris Richard -
Josh Jones - suspended indefinitely, never returned. story?
Tim Singleton -
 
Jones was in the same situation as a certain backup football player was last year, except he was removed from the university.
 
My roomate was the Orientation Advisor for Tim Singleton as well as Shawndre. So we were extra excited during Shawndre's first games. I don't really remember what happened with Singleton though
 
Singleton just was not good enough to play D1 basketball at this level. He transferred to a D2 school.
 
Octapod said:
Well, at least we know Jesse P's story. Maybe something similar happened to SS. One of Ol Jer's recruits transferred to Dayton, I think. First or last name started with an A? Williams had something else in addition to what has been mentioned.

Who can forget Tim Mayes and his eventual career ending hip problem? Not a transfer, but never did pan out. I had high hopes for him.
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Andres Sandoval...
 
How did Sandoval transfer within the league? We were both in the A10 at the time. Was there no sit-two-years rule back then?
 
I forgot that Brewster story.
Sandoval seemed to find a loophole. instead of transferring in conference and sitting two years, he transferred to a JuCo playing right away, then signed with Dayton the next year. thought he was going to be really good but he never really took the next step.
 
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I forgot that Brewster story.
Sandoval seemed to find a loophole. instead of transferring in conference and sitting two years, he transferred to a JuCo playing right away, then signed with Dayton the next year. thought he was going to be really good but he never really took the next step.
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I was at my son's AAU tournament - probably about 4 years ago and wearing a Richmond basketball shirt. Sandoval's mom and dad came up and talked to me and said they really liked Richmond, seemed like very nice people. His little brother was in high school at the time playing in the tournament. I looked him up, but lost track, not sure if he ever was a D1 recruit.
 
always heard Sandoval liked UR, and was well liked, but did not do well in the classroom and that is why he left UR
 
One of my best friends has a son (Matt Panaggio) who played with Josh Jones at Henderson State. HSU gets a lot of transfers from D1 programs, Matt played at Mercer before transferring to Henderson. Josh Jones will likely be HSU's go-to guy next season.
 
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2016-17- Second-team all-MIAA … named the team’s Most Valuable Player … ranked 90th in NCAA Division II in field-goal percentage … ranked eighth in the MIAA in scoring, 11th in rebounding, third in field-goal percentage, and also in the top-30 in free-throw percentage, assists, and blocks … led the team in scoring, free-throws made, and minutes … second on the team in rebounds, assists, blocks, dunks, and field-goal percentage, and third in steals … appeared in 32 games and started every contest but one … shot 52.5 percent from the field, 32.9 percent from three-point range, and 72 percent from the free-throw line … collected 69 assists, 25 steals, and 15 blocks … made 24 three-pointers … averaged 13.1 points and 5.2 rebounds a game in MIAA contests … scored in double figures in 24 games, including nine games with 20 or more points … led the team in scoring in 15 contests … also led the team in rebounds 10 times, in assists eight times, in steals in six games, and in blocks in eight contests … had a season-high 30 points against Robert Morris-Springfield, making 10-of-16 from the field and 10-of-11 from the free-throw line … made 13 field goals and had 29 points in the win over Missouri-St. Louis … had four double-doubles on the year … had a season-high 16 rebounds versus Truman … other season-highs include three three-pointers, six assists, four blocks, and three steals … scored three points during a late 9-0 run to help the Lions defeat NCAA Tournament qualifier Truman … in the overtime win over Missouri Southern, helped the Lions overcome a late six-point deficit with a free throw and assisting on a three-pointer in back-to-back possessions … named to the MIAA Academic Honor Roll.

Wasn’t going to post but since we are off the topic of the smoke and fire. This transfer had a shot. Only went to Divison 2 because he already redshirted his freshman year. Mooney tied his hands. Forced him to division 2.
 
Sandoval was involved with a girl on campus. Has a beautiful daughter now.

Garcia didn't have a transcript issue. He was a Wainwright recruit that had a serious attitude problem. Guys on the team told Mooney they didn't want him after his OV. Mooney pulled the offer as a result.

S-man, that's one hell of a memory.
 
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Sandoval was involved with a girl on campus. Has a beautiful daughter now.

Garcia didn't have a transcript issue. He was a Wainwright recruit that had a serious attitude problem. Guys on the team told Mooney they didn't want him after his OV. Mooney pulled the offer as a result.

S-man, that's one hell of a memory.
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Involved with a girl - that's enough to get you kicked out at Liberty :p

And after his OV? What's that?
 
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