How can we have the lineups we have and no one other than Burton can hit an outside shot. We sub someone like Wilson for Goos and still no outside threat.
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Crabtree is one of the best shooters and he doesn't get many minutes. Gustafson had an off night no doubt, but there is no way that a competent coach thinks Wilson will be better. Shooting and ball handling, I'll take Crabtree 10-1.
Wilson has had two years and is getting worse every game he plays.
It's been hard to understand how bad our team's outside shooting has been this season. Last season was nothing to cheer about either, but since we weren't in the stands, hard to really judge. I've truly wondered how much of a difference it's made with having the new practice facility rather than being in the RC every day. Not sure of the routine they follow prior to home games, but just putting the thought out there.
We're now ranked 175th in 3pt shooting percentage...can't get much more average than that.
We shot 44% 26% from 3 and 61% from the foul line. Never beat anybody with those shooting numbers
unless you play lock down D
exactly, but how we get into a place where as a team that has an offense based around shooting 3s, we have a person who logs a ton of minutes who is such a bad shooter that he won’t even attempt one in 30 games?
Cayo is a solid finisher around rim but its an issue no doubt. Another secondary one is look at the guards coming up. Wilson & Bailey don’t look like they can knock anything down. Not a lot of reps but combined 8/41 from 3 on season and 1/15 in A10 play. These r guards. Why the reps r down. Not sure Nelson is known for it either.
Agree about Cayo. One of my biggest frustrations about Mooney is that he has ONE way of doing things. He fails miserably when the pieces that he recruited don't fit his one way. Really good coaches play to their strengths and mitigate their weaknesses. He does neither. Fire Mooney.
Mooney’s offense is almost totally dependent on the point guard scoring. Kevin, Cedric, Kendall, Jones, Gilyard. When Gilyard stopped
scoring we were done. He quit driving to the basket and has doubted his outside shooting for two years. I am not blaming him, but the only other starter that should shoot a 3 was Tyler. If Crabtree, Nick or Grace made their first shot you could get a little more out of them. Wilson, Goose, Grant and Cayo had no business ever taking a 3.
I get what your saying 0-5 from 3 in 16 games def isn’t good but if we are using your same logic 9-14 fg is 64% 🤷🏼♂️ That isn’t bad… Zay was was 8-36 in 3s with tons more time. Dji was not recruited as a 3 pt specialist so let’s keep that in mind as well. We do agree he has to shoot it better but to shoot it better you have to play. He’s not the type of player that comes in and goes into scoring mode in the 3-4 min stretch you have him in and if anyone thinks he should be then you don’t really know or understand his game. Nelson I think is a playmaker as well and can score but we all agree we as a team have to shoot the ball better no matter who’s on the floor. 🕷🏀
Not talking 2s, we shoot 2s well now. It was about 3s. The context was about Moon offensive system and having guys at all positions who can shoot it, yet Cayo is a clear non shooter. I was responding to ur2k. Go reread it. I even brought up the game reps myself. small sample for sure but do think part of why they don't get more time now is they don't shoot it well. Tho I expect those guys to get better at it, its hard not to. Certainly don't expect those guys this year with their roles to come in and rain 3s. My point is its hard to identify the 3 ball shooters coming up in this system for future even from the guards. And for Moon system that's also odd.
Wasn't this supposed to be the year we had a high-powered offense and should be able to outscore anyone?
A lot of that was predicated on the thought that Sherod would come back as his 2019-20 shooting self. In reality, he’s having his worst shooting season since his freshman year, and has lost any threat of scoring inside the 3 point line.
If you look at our starting lineup after Sherod was pulled, we really only have 2 guys capable of shooting well from 3 on the floor. Goose has never been an above average shooter, Wilson has been a bad shooter, Cayo can’t make anything outside of 6 feet, and Grant’s 3 point shot never became consistent. The formula to beat us should be to pack the paint and eliminate 3/5 of our guys from scoring
The way to beat us is to call timeout and have Mooney talk to the team
Yes, I surely expected the best Mooney offensive unit ever. No way occurring but at times Jacob dribbling down court thought a basket could be imminent every time. No doubt I was expecting/dreaming too much! IMO the amount of 3PTA along with the % being so low hurt this team considerably.
Spiders shot 33.7% from beyond the line for the season. Lowest number other than 2013-14 and 17-18 in 17 seasons along with first Mooney year. Team 3PA/FGA was 42.9% the highest % tied with 2012-13 along with lowing than Mooney's first season.
A10 play they hit rock bottom at 31.4% and 41.5% for 3PA/FGA. The lowest 3PTA% since 2013-14 and of course Mooney's first season. Highest 3PA/FGA% since Mooney's first year.
I'm no coach but if following any stats might/would be inclined to adjust offensive strategy as the season progressed. Not to beat a dead horse but we all know adjust isn't in Mooney's playbook.
The center position taking too many 3PTA was my pet peeve for this team. With little height inside never liked Grant attempting so many 3PTA from even his frosh year. Attempted 134 (80+54) first two years shooting 28%. Couple under .500 seasons but young team and second year Nick injury.
Next two seasons Grant only 37 (19+18) attempts shooting 38%. We know two very good years that had Blake for both along with Nick first year and Tyler performing well in 2020-21. Included was the COVID shorten season.
Have no idea what happened this season but between GG and Grace 152 3PTA while shooting 30%. We know Grant seem to get the yips with that shot while Matt having such a smooth stroke from deep though more often than not he took them relative to being an uncontested FTA.
This number amazed me but in A10 play center(5) position shot 20-90 from deep for 22%. I kid you not. Broken down Grant 7-42 17% and never perceived Matt being 13-48 27%.
Maybe other coaches said let's keep Golden away from the basket shooting the 3s and Grace's actual numbers say he's not going to hurt us. Don't know but I do know I want this coach gone ASAP!
Our “shooters” must be absolutely still to make a shot. None of them can be moving left or right an inch and make the shot. They must be set, because that’s the way they practice.
Standing pretty still when they're clanking fts in the last 5 minutes of pretty much any game.
Lol true about their feet, but they have so many kinks and gyrations in their arms shooting a ft that they may as well be shooting during an earthquake.
Good metrics south jersey. Grant started the season really looking good from 3 and then lost confidence. And wow, it seems like Grace makes a higher %, but apparently not. Again, I would love to have a couple 6'8 or 6'9 athletic guys on the roster every year , one area Mooney has really failed badly in recruiting last 10 years. So many misses.
Hunger, Schieffelin, Justyn Mutts twice, Gianni Thompson, Riley Abercrombie, several NMH and NE prep school prospects, long list. As sman likes to point out they all had very good options, but again Mooney is not very good at winning these battles, and that has been about as big a shortcoming as his many others.
also Avila and now add Buchanan to the list of big forwards we don't have.
we focus our energy on other problems (mainly defense), but shooting well would cover a lot of that up. we're currently a poor shooting team. I guess stats say "average", but we're not average for a good team. Burton's our best 3 point shooter. he'd rank 6th on the 2010-11 team behind Harper, KA, Geroit, Brothers and FCM.
I think Noyes is our only hope for a true shooter in the next class.
I think if he had continued his pre A-10 shooing from this season Burton would be better than 6th (shooting 77.6%FT, 61.6% from 2, 44.9% from 3).
Are you counting Randolph in the next class , or not because he burned this year?
I have seen Richmond players miss more 3s in a single game than Dji has missed all season. Cant read too much into 0-5.
I wasn't. since he didn't redshirt, he's in the class with Dji and Isaiah.
I'm not sure if he's a true shooter or more of a scorer. he is shooting a blistering 50% from 3 though! I'd like to see more of him in the CBI.
Burton, Sal, Grace, Cayo and Golden have not improved much in the past 3-6 years. They are a little stronger and more experienced, but not much better than when they first arrived. Mooney has put all the rebounding pressure on Burton because the rest just won’t or can’t do it. Mooney ragged on Burton for getting two early fouls in the Dayton game on Black’s show. Obviously defense is frowned upon by Mooney. Golden has about 1.2 fouls per game. By the way Mooney, every team in the world has cut off our back door cuts!
that's crazy talk.
Cayo's shot regressed but he's a good player.
Burton was already "most improved" in the conference. and he's in the discussion again.
Grant's only a 2,000 point, 1,000 rebound guy. he didn't come in as a 4 star recruit.
and Grace might have improved more than any of them. he's become a real asset after being mocked as a wasted scholarship on this board.
some here create things to be mad at Mooney for. focus on what's real. we haven't danced in a decade and results matter.
