Victory yesterday over Presbyterian hurt! Spiders drop to #73 in RPI: OSC
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ODU who we just shellacked beat Rhody yesterday at ODU. The loss of EC Mathews seems to have really hurt them. While I want Rhody to be good for the league sakes, Danny Hurley is a straight up d-bag, so I don't get all that sad when they lose, especially to a team that we beat.
Yeah, that ODU result was what we wanted. We're more likely to end up on the bubble with URI than with ODU. If that happens, the fact we destroyed ODU and URI lost to them could factor in. And if ODU somehow ends up on the bubble, we already killed them.
The RPI spots that we lost yesterday should be regained by playing at the #10 RPI team next Tuesday night. And if we win that game, even better. Honestly, if we win that one, we would have to really self-destruct in league play to miss the tournament, IMO. We'd have five likely top-100 wins, probably 3 of which stand a good chance to be top-50 wins when it's all said and done.
The RPI spots that we lost yesterday should be regained by playing at the #10 RPI team next Tuesday night. And if we win that game, even better. Honestly, if we win that one, we would have to really self-destruct in league play to miss the tournament, IMO. We'd have five likely top-100 wins, probably 3 of which stand a good chance to be top-50 wins when it's all said and done.
The problem I still see is where the great in-conference wins are going to come from. Couple of wins over ranked VCU last year did wonders for us, but where are those opportunities going to come from this year?
Dayton looking strong, but GW (our one ranked team until they got shellacked by DePaul last night), St. Joe's, and Davidson are in danger of falling back into the 50-60 RPI range with us if they don't win a boatload of A-10 games. All of these programs need to end up with 12-13 wins or better in conference to stay Top 50.
Dayton looking strong, but GW (our one ranked team until they got shellacked by DePaul last night), St. Joe's, and Davidson are in danger of falling back into the 50-60 RPI range with us if they don't win a boatload of A-10 games. All of these programs need to end up with 12-13 wins or better in conference to stay Top 50.
We don't need great in-conference wins – we just need some solid ones, especially if we beat Texas Tech. I would argue that a win over Texas Tech on the road is worth two league wins. Between GW twice, Davidson twice, St. Joe's once, VCU twice, Dayton once, Rhody once...that's most likely 9 opportunities for top-100 wins. If we beat Texas Tech and even go 5-4 in those games, we're in.
The reason we needed the VCU wins last year was that we didn't have any other decent OOC wins. We already have what I would consider the equivalent of those two VCU wins in our wins over Cal, Wake, and UNI (the ODU win may end up looking good as well, we will have to see). We will be sitting pretty if we can beat Texas Tech at their place, that would give us 4 strong OOC wins. If we can win all of our A10 home games, and about half of the road games, I think that puts us squarely inside the bubble.
Wish I had as much confidence as some of the others on this thread. 
Cal is likely to be a bubble team when all is said and done, unless they really click. UNI probably needs 13 wins in conference after last night's stumble, even with some extra credit for the UNC and Iowa St. wins. Wake isn't fooling anyone...they'll be borderline Top 100. Looks ok to the casual fan due to the name and conference, but not going to carry a ton of weight with the committee.
I think people are underestimating how much of a boost we got from two later-season wins against a ranked VCU team that ended up with an RPI in the teens.
Cal is likely to be a bubble team when all is said and done, unless they really click. UNI probably needs 13 wins in conference after last night's stumble, even with some extra credit for the UNC and Iowa St. wins. Wake isn't fooling anyone...they'll be borderline Top 100. Looks ok to the casual fan due to the name and conference, but not going to carry a ton of weight with the committee.
I think people are underestimating how much of a boost we got from two later-season wins against a ranked VCU team that ended up with an RPI in the teens.
Cal is a really young team that I think will get better as the season moves forward. Several polls project them between 4th and 5th in the Pac12 this year, as I think outside of Arizona, Utah, and Oregon there are not a ton of strong teams. Wake could go either way, but again they are a young team that should improve with time. UNI will win at least 10 games in their conference and will be a tough out in the MVC tournament. Not sure how ODU will do this year, but they are a very good defensive team, and could have ~20 wins at the end of the season.
Any way you cut it, we are in a better spot right now that we have been in several years at this same juncture.
Any way you cut it, we are in a better spot right now that we have been in several years at this same juncture.
GW has already played more sub-200 teams than we have, it's just that Longwood and Presbyterian are pretty much at the very bottom of Division I teams RPI-wise right now, therefore dragging out RPI down about 10-15 spots lower than it would be otherwise. It will all even out at the end, and IMO it will look better to have played two really awful teams than 5 or 6 mostly awful ones, even if RPI punishes us more.
We play the #6 and #37 RPI teams in our next two games. Regardless of what we do, that will give us a nice boost.
We play the #6 and #37 RPI teams in our next two games. Regardless of what we do, that will give us a nice boost.
Not that there is anything to be done about it (since the RPI is here to stay), but the overnight plunge after pounding Presbyterian exposes a flaw in the RPI model. Logically, UR was expected to crush Presbyterian, and since we did the model should treat it like confirmation of the relative rankings of the teams (and there should be little to no change in the rankings). Obviously, the model doesn't really work that way, and strength of schedule is factored into them model more bluntly than it should be -- that's disappointing.
You mean both the Richmond Professional Institute and the Rating Percentage Index?
Obviously the Richmond Professional Institute sucks much more than the Rating Percentage Index!
I think we can all agree that bb3831's RPI sucks equally badly with the Richmond Professional Institute, as if they were one and the same....
Personally I like school on broad street (SOBS) because they are likely to be doing a lot of sobbing this season -- of course some people could think it means something else
Green Dragons? Maggie Walker's mascot? We used to have UCLA (university college of Lombardy Ave)
Green Devils was the mascot for RPI before their merger with MCV and subsequent change to Rams.
According to CBS, Spiders are now #70 in rpi ranking. Of course would like to be higher, but think we can move up enough in conference for an at large bid if necessary. OSC
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lack of 13th OOC game hurts that was my fear all along because the schedule was always a bit overvalued. we needed another solid rpi game. At our level where you have to grind to get in going with less than max games is a risk. I'd love to have a BYU win on 9-4 resume right now. BYU couldn't have been the only option anyway. in better spot than last few years no doubt and have some nice wins but we need a top 3 A10 finish. let's go get it.
So we kill the 340th RPI team and fall 20 spots but we lose to the #6 RPI team and move up only 6 spots? Makes total sense.
Yes, a BYU win would look great now, an 8-5 record with a BYU loss probably not as good. Ideally, we play 13 games and don't schedule any sub 250 games, but alas it is tough to pull everything off perfectly with scheduling.
However, while not perfect, it was leaps and bounds better than the schedule we had last year.
However, while not perfect, it was leaps and bounds better than the schedule we had last year.
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