Roster 25-26
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Guard 1 - Johnston
Guard 2 - Tyne (Thomas )
Wing - Lopez (Tanner / McGlothin competing for minutes)
PF - Daughtry (Robinson/ Roumoglou competing for minutes)
Center - Walz / Beagle
I thought 2 out of 3 from Glou, Tanner and Beagle would transfer. Wrong about that. Good that we did bring in Lopez and Daughtry at wing and PF - think that helps and I see those guys as likely starters based on their production at mid major D1 level last seaon.
At Guard - I think a lot will hinge on whether either A) Tyne can step up to sman's expectations or B) Thomas can be so good he is a legit top line A10 starter. A lot if's here. Need one of these guys to be good this year to have a chance. I lean more to Thomas being that guy - as Tyne has had a ton of opportunity to show already - though he did have better numbers with high usage down the stretch. If one of the freshman are so good to play this season, even better for the rotation.
Wing - I think Lopez is the guy here. Good numbers on a good Main team last season. Only red flag is 2 rebs/game. I know Mooney doesn't emphasize rebounding - that's why even more imperative to have a guy that is pre-wired to do so. And we don't know about defense. McGlothin real wild card - was he just taking a gap year to get stronger and not lose PT, or was he not as good as Tanner/AP. Will be interesting to see if Moon goes with Lopez from day 1 or starts with Tanner.
PF - Like the looks of Daughtry, but defense/rebounding are concern. ISU board highlighted lack of athleticism leads to him being average defender. That is why I am hoping Robinson can be impactful here, and play 15 minutes/game. Glou is a wild card. Was last year shaking off rust, or is what we see what we get?
Center - Was high on Walz going into last season - but he did not back up the talk. Looked better down the stretch, and can look real good in stretches and then real bad in stretches. Need a consistent 30 minutes of effort and look to score.
My X factor group is Thomas, Robinson, and McGlothin. If these guys are legitimate contributors I think we can be decent. Also, I feel like they have the athleticism and/or length (Bryson) to be good defenders - which is a major concern after last season.
Guard 2 - Tyne (Thomas )
Wing - Lopez (Tanner / McGlothin competing for minutes)
PF - Daughtry (Robinson/ Roumoglou competing for minutes)
Center - Walz / Beagle
I thought 2 out of 3 from Glou, Tanner and Beagle would transfer. Wrong about that. Good that we did bring in Lopez and Daughtry at wing and PF - think that helps and I see those guys as likely starters based on their production at mid major D1 level last seaon.
At Guard - I think a lot will hinge on whether either A) Tyne can step up to sman's expectations or B) Thomas can be so good he is a legit top line A10 starter. A lot if's here. Need one of these guys to be good this year to have a chance. I lean more to Thomas being that guy - as Tyne has had a ton of opportunity to show already - though he did have better numbers with high usage down the stretch. If one of the freshman are so good to play this season, even better for the rotation.
Wing - I think Lopez is the guy here. Good numbers on a good Main team last season. Only red flag is 2 rebs/game. I know Mooney doesn't emphasize rebounding - that's why even more imperative to have a guy that is pre-wired to do so. And we don't know about defense. McGlothin real wild card - was he just taking a gap year to get stronger and not lose PT, or was he not as good as Tanner/AP. Will be interesting to see if Moon goes with Lopez from day 1 or starts with Tanner.
PF - Like the looks of Daughtry, but defense/rebounding are concern. ISU board highlighted lack of athleticism leads to him being average defender. That is why I am hoping Robinson can be impactful here, and play 15 minutes/game. Glou is a wild card. Was last year shaking off rust, or is what we see what we get?
Center - Was high on Walz going into last season - but he did not back up the talk. Looked better down the stretch, and can look real good in stretches and then real bad in stretches. Need a consistent 30 minutes of effort and look to score.
My X factor group is Thomas, Robinson, and McGlothin. If these guys are legitimate contributors I think we can be decent. Also, I feel like they have the athleticism and/or length (Bryson) to be good defenders - which is a major concern after last season.
Good stuff, 23. I will see what I can add here.
I think Lopez could be a 2, giving us a taller and more productive Johnston/Lopez lineup at guard, but of course, he could play with 2 guards as well. Most teams go with 3 guards now.
I kind of thought we would see 1 or more of Tanner, AP and Beagle transfer as well, but it likely would have been down, so if they can make the rotation this year, good for them to stay. Beagle seems set with time backing up Walz. The other 2 need to beat some guys out. Nothing will be given to them. They need to earn it.
I also see Lopez and Daughtry as starters.
At guard, I don't see your A or B happening, but both could be in the rotation. My big guard lineup with Johnston and Lopez could be our best lineup, then Tyne and Thomas would have to compete with the wings/forwards for time. So, we would then need to find 1 starter out of Tyne, Thomas, Tanner, AP, McGlothin, Robinson, or a freshman to go with what should be Johnston, Lopez, Daughtry, and Walz.
I agree AP and Robinson could be back ups to Daughtry, but could see 2 of these 3 on the floor at times too.
Agree on Walz. Same with Beagle backing him up. Both show signs, but need to be more consistent. We don't need all A-10 guys here, but their low production games really hurt our chances to win.
Good call on the x factors. I could see Thomas getting some productive minutes, and I hope my fear of Robinson and McGlothin not being that good because of redshirting goes away early and they can show some positive impact.
If Lopez is starting at guard in this scenario, hoping McGlothin can be the guy at the wing. He has a lot of size/length for that position - remains to be seen if he has that type of lateral movement to guard the position at this level. His HS highlights certainly look like he can shoot over guys and get to the rim - but GWIII's were pretty spectacular as well. Really hoping McGlothin's game translates at this level.
VT4700, I know that CM is very positive on Robinson and McGlothin and expects them to play major minutes next year. In addition, one of the true freshman could see major minutes. There will be a lot of competition to start at most positions.
Welcome back! Any news on MTE or other OOC games for us this upcoming season?
Would be huge if they can be impact players. I liked the looks of them coming in last year, and was really frustrated that they redshirted. Then, as poorly as we played last year, I went from excitement about them to concern because I wondered how or why they couldn't even be good enough as freshmen to be part of the rotation. I was even thinking McGlothin could possibly start last year because the wing spot was wide open for someone to grab. This year, it is wide open again. Maybe he is ready to grab it.
Which freshman are you talking about? It would be really good to start getting some freshmen in here who can play right away.
Welcome back, I have missed your insight. My observation of Robinson and McGlothin make me believe they can help. I also believe all of the FR have strong skills, just depends which one(s) fill our needs.
I’d love to see both redshirt frosh do it and a true frosh. But it’s almost impossible to see that happening. it’s good Moon is getting 14 bullets w ships because he shoots too many blanks. But if Moon & staff foresaw both the two redshirts playing major minutes I don’t think we’d have been as heavy in portal OR u would have seen Tanner or AP transferring. We had neither. AP shot horribly and beat his chest a lot whenever he did anything well, but I thought he moved decently on court, offers positional versatility & was more athletic than I thought. If he can shoot better he’s going to have a role.
100% we should have open comp but the numbers don’t work. Jrob and Bryson I think got blocked to some extent & u don’t do that imo if expected them to be major min guys. Also if u add all transfers, returners & 2 redshirts who would Moon say would not play major mins? Probably nobody. But he’d be wrong on at least 3 of those 11, or 4 if a true freshman is playing. I’d take 1 true frosh having role because I’d hold the bet that at least 2 of 3 redshirt.
we have neither the NIL money or program cache or magnetic coach to get those guys. in HS recruiting you can find guys. Because its harder, we have a better chance (even if its just a better chance to get lucky)
Agree.
The offseason chatter as well as a few lines attributed to Mooney is expected. We have a numbers game here, and we’ll see how the reality shakes out. Some of these guys just aren’t going to get many minutes. There just aren’t enough mins to go around, and historically CM doesn’t play a deep bench.
I agree, hopefully competition brings out the best in each one.
While I’m hoping for this to be true, it doesn’t track. This suggests that those two guys are going to beat out both Tanner and AP and new wings/forwards?
I’m interpreting major minutes to be at least 20mpg per guy or 40mpg+ combined.
What’s changed other than they are no longer redshirts? which then raises other questions.
Again, I hope it’s the case, we need some HS recruits to pan out.
Lol. Do you really expect him to tell you, yeah we completely missed on those guys? Of course, this is what he is telling you and all of your NIL buddies. Just like he told you last year that we had one of the best shooting teams ever at UR and Tanner had made this huge leap.
Come on, 97. Why get on him? He is just sharing what Mooney said. Get on Mooney if u want for saying it, but all 80s is doing is sharing info here. And the NIL buddies comment is pretty low class...I appreciate all the NIL people who give their money to try to make us better.
Well cause he comes on here with all of his "Mooney" insights, lecturing fans and posters that don't have his "high" class connections. And then the minute things that Mooney told him are proven wrong on the court, he just disappears only to pop up on the offseason to do it again. There is no value in his statements, none at all.
I appreciate all insider info. To VTs point, it will serve a purpose one way or another. But it’s also fair to question the accuracy of the original source.
I disagree. I am glad he shares the info he does. I hope he gives us more scheduling news like the Auburn nugget last year. And, he likely leaves the board at times bcause of all of the crap he gets on here.
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Sman, I have to ask if u have seen Duke Miles' portal news this spring. Then, u can let me know if u still think coaches "don't recruit over transfers".
Miles, a guard, transferred from Oklahoma to UVA. UVA then brought in transfer guard Dillan Hall from BYU and Miles asked for and got a release from UVA.
He then transferred to Texas A&M, but A&M then brought in guard Rylen Griffin from Kansas, so Miles asked for and got a release from A&M. He is now at Vanderbilt. LOL.
Miles, a guard, transferred from Oklahoma to UVA. UVA then brought in transfer guard Dillan Hall from BYU and Miles asked for and got a release from UVA.
He then transferred to Texas A&M, but A&M then brought in guard Rylen Griffin from Kansas, so Miles asked for and got a release from A&M. He is now at Vanderbilt. LOL.
My question would be is, how good can he be if he does not believe he can beat out amy of the other guys for the position?
Right - if a guy decommits every time his team tries to get better that's not a good look.
There are 15 roster spots. There's got to be some overlap on the roster.
not at all familiar with UVA's or Texas A&M's rosters, portal gains, portal losses, etc ...
please feel free to educate me.
?? I just did. UVA and A&M both recruited over Miles, getting players at the same position after he transferred to them. This caused Miles to leave. You were pretty adamant that coaches don't do this. I still can't figure out why you think coaches wouldn't want to improve their teams by doing this.
It's his last year, and he likely wants a lot of playing time, but there are no guarantees. He could maybe beat them out, but wants more of a sure thing? Maybe he should have transferred down if he wants to be sure of a lot of minutes.
you didn't give me portal details. obviously a team has to replace whatever they lose in the portal. did UVA lose multiple guards? if so, they get replaced. normally that all gets explained to a recruit. no idea why Miles would be caught off guard about that, if it's the case.
LOL. I just gave you specific examples of teams recruiting over transfers and you still can't admit you were wrong. This happens all over college basketball, but u still are gonna hold onto your thinking here? Hilarious.
I'd like to apologize to anyone I confused, as there may be others besides 4700.
UVA had 13 kids transfer out. it was not my intent to imply in this situation that they would only bring in 5 guys from the portal and opt to play short handed next season. I should have clarified that schools will replace all of the spots they lost. same with A&M. same with UR.
it's my understanding coaches are typically clear with recruits on their plans to fill all of their roster spots. not knowing Miles, I can't speak to his understanding of these roster situations and his reasons for transferring.
UVA had 13 kids transfer out. it was not my intent to imply in this situation that they would only bring in 5 guys from the portal and opt to play short handed next season. I should have clarified that schools will replace all of the spots they lost. same with A&M. same with UR.
it's my understanding coaches are typically clear with recruits on their plans to fill all of their roster spots. not knowing Miles, I can't speak to his understanding of these roster situations and his reasons for transferring.
Prime example of why the Portal has to have a strong transfer rule that limits how many times you can transfer or only gives you a free ride once and then if you leave you must sit a season before playing. Also there should be a clause on NIL money that you must stay a certain length of time or return all or a portion of that money.
On our HS recruits, I do hope that one or two of them will be an integral part of our first 8 this year. The three redshirts have experienced practice and have no idea how well they did against Mooney's best shooting team in practice.
On our HS recruits, I do hope that one or two of them will be an integral part of our first 8 this year. The three redshirts have experienced practice and have no idea how well they did against Mooney's best shooting team in practice.
Why do u think coaches are clear about roster spots? Teams do not have this set number of guards, forwards, and 5s every year like u think they do. You act like all players are like robots and all will provide the same thing at a position. "Lose a guard, get a guard, lose a wing, get a wing". It just doesn't work that way, Sman. I think u r the only one who thinks this and all the data of transfers and recruitng cycles shows how wrong u are.
Coaches don't know exactly what positions they will add. They have a plan, but if u can improve your team at a position, you do it. Every coach does this, and every recruit and every transfer knows they could get recruited over. After GW3 went to the portal, are we supposed to replace him with a guard just because he is a guard? Or should we get the best player possible? And what exactly do u think coaches are telling players? None are promised minutes. They are told how they can fit, but every transfer knows they can possibly be recruited over because every coach does it and it happens all the time. I don't know what else to add here, but sorry, u could not be more wrong here. It's amazing to me that u can go on and on about how coaches will not recruit over transfers, and when I give you the Miles example, you won't change your thinking at all. Wow.
Coaches don't know exactly what positions they will add. They have a plan, but if u can improve your team at a position, you do it. Every coach does this, and every recruit and every transfer knows they could get recruited over. After GW3 went to the portal, are we supposed to replace him with a guard just because he is a guard? Or should we get the best player possible? And what exactly do u think coaches are telling players? None are promised minutes. They are told how they can fit, but every transfer knows they can possibly be recruited over because every coach does it and it happens all the time. I don't know what else to add here, but sorry, u could not be more wrong here. It's amazing to me that u can go on and on about how coaches will not recruit over transfers, and when I give you the Miles example, you won't change your thinking at all. Wow.
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Quite honestly, I don't think you, I, or anyone else on here knows what is said. It is very, very possible that once we got Johnston and Thomas, we affirmatively told other recruits who are traditionally categorized as "guards" that we have generally filled the spots that we intended to fill, and that we'll be looking to use our other open scholarships for other spots on the court traditionally labeled as "wings" or "post players".
Coaches recruit for positions. It happens in baseball recruiting. It happens in football recruiting. It happens in soccer recruiting. It happens in lacrosse recruiting. It happens in hockey recruiting. I think it's naive to think that it doesn't happen in basketball, and basketball everywhere is so positionless that we can just take any five best guys we can and throw them on the court. If you think that is what is happening, you haven't been watching the same Chris Mooney that I've been watching for 20 years.
At this point, "Fight Club" has more rules than Division 1 college athletics.
you've obviously talked to different people than I have. and that's ok. maybe there are a lot of schools that do things the way you say.
yeah as big fans we all want some insider info and I think we encourage all to share. lot of ppl have added insider info or stories. then it falls on rest of us to call out the bs, that's normal too. imo there is a lot of propaganda on those collective calls. to be expected tho. Mooney saying "X Y Z all stink but thanks for the $ to help get them" doesn't go over super well. as I mentioned above who of the 11 returners/redshirts/transfers is not viewed as a double digit min guy. hard to choose. so that's not a bad thing. but we know if it won't be close to the case. I was more hopeful about the two redshirts both playing a lot before our transfer season, now I'm less hopeful based on staff's approach. I hope UR80s continues to share & I gave him credit on Auburn. To 97's point nothing else hit, we were even told we were in a good MTE.
I never said we would just take the 5 best guys regarldless of size and position. You again are putting a lot of words in my mouth. I simply said we would not always replace a specific spot for a specific spot for every guy or transfer we recruit. Mooney doesn't do that. No coach does.
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You just can't admit when you are wrong about something, but whatever. "Coaches don't recruit over transfers with other transfers". LOL. "We are done recruiting guards". LOL.
I'm wrong about a lot of things. but unless you say you know some people, I'm going to assume I've talked to more people who know recruiting than you.
