the A10 has had multiple bids 18 of the last 19 years. it's a very good conference.
parity this year might hurt it.
Revenue sharing in A10?
- Thread starter spiderstudent17
- Start date
parity this year might hurt it.
I don’t know what the Patriot League allows and doesn’t allow as I don’t really care but I thought I heard that they made some recent adjustments for football so perhaps other adjustments are made that allow some amount of NIL for its basketball players if there isn’t already. I don’t think all players will jump for increases in NIL as degrees matter for an extremely high number of D1 athletes. I would think most Juniors would stay and get the degree and maybe they leave after graduating with this new 5th year (or more as Mooney was saying), but at that point the team has gotten the stability it needs. I see a high school focused recruiting and you are selling player development and a degree. Will the skill and athleticism level be lower? Perhaps, but that same level beat this year’s powerful A10 roster multiple times. I just don’t get the A10 love. The games are competitive in conference, but at the end of the day it is a 1-2 bid league.
Rose colored glasses. I get it. 2 is multi-bid. Yippee. That wasn’t what was being sold when UR joined the A10.
You can hide a 20-year head coach who doesn't win a lot in the Patriot League. No one will ask question as long as he graduates players and they're good kids, and you win more games than you lose. It's basically Mooney's dream league.
Would we still pay Mooney $1.5m+ in a league where coaches make $400k–$500k? 🥴
Interesting conversation. But there are some important parts you guys are missing and some things you are coming at from the wrong angle.
First, the money. VCU will eliminate their Collective and include that money in the AD budget. For the donor, that makes the NIL money tax deductible. The only restriction on deductibility is the part of the deduction that is required to maintain your seats (something UR does not require). So, instead of me having a donation to VCU (partially non-deductible) and to the Collective (non-deductible), I make one donation and subtract the part connected to my seats. As expected, they have stepped up the fund raising efforts to get people to donate more. But it does make it easier and makes it a bit more plausible for a donor.
Remember also that most schools have student fees that are tacked onto the tuition. Usually it is a per credit fee, because it is easier to hide that way. When you compare two schools, one with 30,000 students and one with 5000, you see that one has an advantage in raising money there. We have been told that student fees will go up.
But the biggest thing most people are missing about all of this is how it will shake out for the conferences. Face it, schools with football are going to be at a real disadvantage when it comes NIL funding. Sure, any schools could use up the entire $21MM and split it anyway they want. But most smaller schools with football are going to be a a real disadvantage to schools that DON'T have football. Say a smaller school decides they want to set a spending limit of $6MM. If they have football, that money is going to be pretty thin when it gets to the other sports. Just too many athletes and not enough money. Now compare the money available for players if the $6MM is mainly paid to basketball players. Which team has the advantage?
So, will small schools have to move down a level for basketball? Well, maybe not. Maybe the non-football schools will just move up. If they don't, you could see some mid-major conference where one or two schools dominate. Think Gonzaga and St. Mary's. I think a couple of the A-10 schools are headed in that direction. Remember the comment by the VCU AD about having NIL at the Top 35 level? Also, Odom's contract contains a clause that lets him re-negotiate his contract if VCU moves to a new conference. While they won't admit it, I think it is in the back of their heads.
All of this is very fluid and changing daily. My guess is that it is going to be a very different landscape in college basketball five years from now.
For the record, I am no long a season ticket holder at UR. After looking at the schedule, I saw no way that I could even breakeven this year. In the past I always made a profit on selling the tickets while keeping the VCU game for myself. So, for the first time in 8 years, I did not buy season tickets. But don't worry, I bought tickets two rows in front of my old tickets for the VCU game. I'll be there right behind the VCU bench.
First, the money. VCU will eliminate their Collective and include that money in the AD budget. For the donor, that makes the NIL money tax deductible. The only restriction on deductibility is the part of the deduction that is required to maintain your seats (something UR does not require). So, instead of me having a donation to VCU (partially non-deductible) and to the Collective (non-deductible), I make one donation and subtract the part connected to my seats. As expected, they have stepped up the fund raising efforts to get people to donate more. But it does make it easier and makes it a bit more plausible for a donor.
Remember also that most schools have student fees that are tacked onto the tuition. Usually it is a per credit fee, because it is easier to hide that way. When you compare two schools, one with 30,000 students and one with 5000, you see that one has an advantage in raising money there. We have been told that student fees will go up.
But the biggest thing most people are missing about all of this is how it will shake out for the conferences. Face it, schools with football are going to be at a real disadvantage when it comes NIL funding. Sure, any schools could use up the entire $21MM and split it anyway they want. But most smaller schools with football are going to be a a real disadvantage to schools that DON'T have football. Say a smaller school decides they want to set a spending limit of $6MM. If they have football, that money is going to be pretty thin when it gets to the other sports. Just too many athletes and not enough money. Now compare the money available for players if the $6MM is mainly paid to basketball players. Which team has the advantage?
So, will small schools have to move down a level for basketball? Well, maybe not. Maybe the non-football schools will just move up. If they don't, you could see some mid-major conference where one or two schools dominate. Think Gonzaga and St. Mary's. I think a couple of the A-10 schools are headed in that direction. Remember the comment by the VCU AD about having NIL at the Top 35 level? Also, Odom's contract contains a clause that lets him re-negotiate his contract if VCU moves to a new conference. While they won't admit it, I think it is in the back of their heads.
All of this is very fluid and changing daily. My guess is that it is going to be a very different landscape in college basketball five years from now.
For the record, I am no long a season ticket holder at UR. After looking at the schedule, I saw no way that I could even breakeven this year. In the past I always made a profit on selling the tickets while keeping the VCU game for myself. So, for the first time in 8 years, I did not buy season tickets. But don't worry, I bought tickets two rows in front of my old tickets for the VCU game. I'll be there right behind the VCU bench.
Why would a school have to give the money to their football program? I can see P5 schools and even G5 schools having that pressure, but not at any other level. I would imagine a school can choose to put that money where’d they like. Also, what about the Title IX implications of money coming directly from AD to student athletes? Recent news from Department of Education. Different argument if NIL came directly from collective that was not affiliated with the university than from the university directly.
Well, at least one good thing came from our lousy schedule, you are no longer a season ticket holder.
It's okay, his current contract runs through 2029. He'll be fine.
Then it becomes an interesting conversation.
Yeah I don't think he's talking about Richmond here. But it wasn't written too well and he usually comes here to tell us about UR so who knows. Gonzaga will have advantage over the new Pac 12 with hoops spending, of course. maybe those r his smaller football schools examples. FCS football isn't going to spend more on football except those power mid/northwest teams. UR isn't going to spend revenue sharing $ on Patriot League football. His premise about having $6M to spend well if we had that it's going mainly to hoops too not football. Our disadvantage is we still have heavy costs & expenses from football unlike a VCU, so in theory we have less to spend on "revenue sharing", the disadvantage is current expenses not that we're taking additional available $ and giving it to football players. Our big advantage is we have $ to siphon from other sources, should we choose.
If not maybe you'll be donating to VCU before too long.
Donating to VCU comment was made tongue-in-cheek. Though the greater sentiment of not following, caring, or donating to this university in anyway would hold true if Richmond were to do that. Still, I don't see why we talk in hypotheticals when to me its clear that we do prioritize basketball. It's just not done in the way you or other posters would want, which is firing Mooney.
Made a reference to it in your last sentence. You also replied “what” to my initial comment of that so I thought I would respond there. I didn't have any additional comment to make about your main reply. Perhaps quoting that sentence would’ve been better.
Last edited:
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
either spiderstudent is off his meds or a new person has taken on the posting duties for this account because these type and tone of replies are nothing like what we have been accustomed to in months prior.
thought my reply was more or less agreeing with u.
what sentence...still don't see any reference to Mooney fwiw
Miscommunication. I was referencing the comment that you made saying “you’ll be donating to VCU not too long” which I’m sure was in reference to the comment I made in another post. I was expanding on my sentiment about my comment and adding the fact that other than firing our coach, I’ve felt UR does prioritize basketball. While you didn’t reference Mooney in this post, I think it’s fair to say from your other posts that you would want him fired lol. Unless someone has hacked you account and changed your tune too 😉
Imagine that guys, vcu is among the best-positioned D1 schools in the nation to take advantage of this new ruling, even morseo than Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Kansas and others… I’m glad I happened to read this thread or else I never would have known.
Yea, but the best thing for me is, since you don't require donations to buy season tickets, UR will be calling me next year offering me seats again. Then I just pick up where I left off.
Article by JOC...1st of 3 part series....but it basically rehashes what Mooney said last week...and adds some current spending budget #'s including UR football.
Nothing on the record from Hardt. He needs more time per JOC.
Again it all presumes we are part of the ncaa settlement but it just seems weird that wouldn't be stated/confirmed.
Nothing on the record from Hardt. He needs more time per JOC.
Again it all presumes we are part of the ncaa settlement but it just seems weird that wouldn't be stated/confirmed.
Ivy League opting out. They r a true amateur model. Nobody surprised by that. If there is 1 other league that opts out completely it’s probably the Patriot.
Expected result and the big question is how many other conferences, if any, agree with this path. Then the next question is how many individual schools decide to opt out.
If you read the Woj article, he is basically working so St. B can be a feeder program to the power conferences. Basketball is the differentiator for this small private NY school and he wants to do everything he can to keep it that way.
Does UR see itself as a younger Ivy school or a school with a basketball identity? Seems pretty obvious to me which is the correct answer.
I don't see UR wanting to get in this new world of College athletics where players may be eligible for 5+ years and the average kid will demand pay from the school of 100K or more, especially more for your better players. The big thing to remember about the current lawsuit is this will allow the SCHOOLS to pay the kids directly and the NCAA can limit and structure those payments - such as roster limits, salary caps, years of eligibility, etc.
BUT - what I don't think the NCAA will be able to manage is those outside NIL Payments. These would be payments from outside companies and collectives. I think those payments are where kids and lawyers will argue - I should be able to make whatever some outside entity is willing to pay me. And I don't disagree with that. Would you tell a non-athlete Math major that they can't make more than $15 an hour tutoring local HS kids in math? No. If someone wants to pay them $100 an hour, they can accept and take it. So why should an athlete be stopped from doing the same? I think that given the current NIL - this will continue - in addition to the payments, which can be controlled by the NCAA, from the school.
But do you really think UR - a school known be near the back of the line on these things, a school that eliminated sports recently because of two main reasons - it would cost too much, and they didn't want to dumb down the student pool with more athletes, and a school that in its own mind - believes it doesn't need the marketing sports provides because right now it accepts only 23-24% of applicants, so there is never a shortage of applicants. Not to mention - go to any mens basketball game, football game, and even this year - womens basketball game with the best team in maybe school history - students don't go to these events.
Yet - we are currently in a league with large institutions - more focused on sports - such as VCU, GW, St. Louis, Dayton, etc. Unless the A10 puts more stringent rules on its conference affiliates, such as lower salary caps, or I think UR is searching for a conference that better aligns with our administration. I don't expect the A10 to go that route, they should be pushing their schools to pay as much as possible to have the best teams possible and bring light to the conference.
I just don't see UR wanting to partake in this world based on everything we have seen the last 15-20 years or so since we moved to the A10.
BUT - what I don't think the NCAA will be able to manage is those outside NIL Payments. These would be payments from outside companies and collectives. I think those payments are where kids and lawyers will argue - I should be able to make whatever some outside entity is willing to pay me. And I don't disagree with that. Would you tell a non-athlete Math major that they can't make more than $15 an hour tutoring local HS kids in math? No. If someone wants to pay them $100 an hour, they can accept and take it. So why should an athlete be stopped from doing the same? I think that given the current NIL - this will continue - in addition to the payments, which can be controlled by the NCAA, from the school.
But do you really think UR - a school known be near the back of the line on these things, a school that eliminated sports recently because of two main reasons - it would cost too much, and they didn't want to dumb down the student pool with more athletes, and a school that in its own mind - believes it doesn't need the marketing sports provides because right now it accepts only 23-24% of applicants, so there is never a shortage of applicants. Not to mention - go to any mens basketball game, football game, and even this year - womens basketball game with the best team in maybe school history - students don't go to these events.
Yet - we are currently in a league with large institutions - more focused on sports - such as VCU, GW, St. Louis, Dayton, etc. Unless the A10 puts more stringent rules on its conference affiliates, such as lower salary caps, or I think UR is searching for a conference that better aligns with our administration. I don't expect the A10 to go that route, they should be pushing their schools to pay as much as possible to have the best teams possible and bring light to the conference.
I just don't see UR wanting to partake in this world based on everything we have seen the last 15-20 years or so since we moved to the A10.
Tough times for fans who have enjoyed UR and ACC basketball and football since the 1960s.
I agree that it appears Richmond has begun trending towards the more traditional near amateur model. The House Settlement decision will probably be the last draw . We’ll have to decide who we want to be in the new era and take the steps necessary to succeed at whatever level we reside.
Go Spiders!
Similar threads
