the A10 has had multiple bids 18 of the last 19 years. it's a very good conference.
parity this year might hurt it.
Revenue sharing in A10?
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parity this year might hurt it.
I don’t know what the Patriot League allows and doesn’t allow as I don’t really care but I thought I heard that they made some recent adjustments for football so perhaps other adjustments are made that allow some amount of NIL for its basketball players if there isn’t already. I don’t think all players will jump for increases in NIL as degrees matter for an extremely high number of D1 athletes. I would think most Juniors would stay and get the degree and maybe they leave after graduating with this new 5th year (or more as Mooney was saying), but at that point the team has gotten the stability it needs. I see a high school focused recruiting and you are selling player development and a degree. Will the skill and athleticism level be lower? Perhaps, but that same level beat this year’s powerful A10 roster multiple times. I just don’t get the A10 love. The games are competitive in conference, but at the end of the day it is a 1-2 bid league.
Rose colored glasses. I get it. 2 is multi-bid. Yippee. That wasn’t what was being sold when UR joined the A10.
You can hide a 20-year head coach who doesn't win a lot in the Patriot League. No one will ask question as long as he graduates players and they're good kids, and you win more games than you lose. It's basically Mooney's dream league.
Would we still pay Mooney $1.5m+ in a league where coaches make $400k–$500k? 🥴
Interesting conversation. But there are some important parts you guys are missing and some things you are coming at from the wrong angle.
First, the money. VCU will eliminate their Collective and include that money in the AD budget. For the donor, that makes the NIL money tax deductible. The only restriction on deductibility is the part of the deduction that is required to maintain your seats (something UR does not require). So, instead of me having a donation to VCU (partially non-deductible) and to the Collective (non-deductible), I make one donation and subtract the part connected to my seats. As expected, they have stepped up the fund raising efforts to get people to donate more. But it does make it easier and makes it a bit more plausible for a donor.
Remember also that most schools have student fees that are tacked onto the tuition. Usually it is a per credit fee, because it is easier to hide that way. When you compare two schools, one with 30,000 students and one with 5000, you see that one has an advantage in raising money there. We have been told that student fees will go up.
But the biggest thing most people are missing about all of this is how it will shake out for the conferences. Face it, schools with football are going to be at a real disadvantage when it comes NIL funding. Sure, any schools could use up the entire $21MM and split it anyway they want. But most smaller schools with football are going to be a a real disadvantage to schools that DON'T have football. Say a smaller school decides they want to set a spending limit of $6MM. If they have football, that money is going to be pretty thin when it gets to the other sports. Just too many athletes and not enough money. Now compare the money available for players if the $6MM is mainly paid to basketball players. Which team has the advantage?
So, will small schools have to move down a level for basketball? Well, maybe not. Maybe the non-football schools will just move up. If they don't, you could see some mid-major conference where one or two schools dominate. Think Gonzaga and St. Mary's. I think a couple of the A-10 schools are headed in that direction. Remember the comment by the VCU AD about having NIL at the Top 35 level? Also, Odom's contract contains a clause that lets him re-negotiate his contract if VCU moves to a new conference. While they won't admit it, I think it is in the back of their heads.
All of this is very fluid and changing daily. My guess is that it is going to be a very different landscape in college basketball five years from now.
For the record, I am no long a season ticket holder at UR. After looking at the schedule, I saw no way that I could even breakeven this year. In the past I always made a profit on selling the tickets while keeping the VCU game for myself. So, for the first time in 8 years, I did not buy season tickets. But don't worry, I bought tickets two rows in front of my old tickets for the VCU game. I'll be there right behind the VCU bench.
First, the money. VCU will eliminate their Collective and include that money in the AD budget. For the donor, that makes the NIL money tax deductible. The only restriction on deductibility is the part of the deduction that is required to maintain your seats (something UR does not require). So, instead of me having a donation to VCU (partially non-deductible) and to the Collective (non-deductible), I make one donation and subtract the part connected to my seats. As expected, they have stepped up the fund raising efforts to get people to donate more. But it does make it easier and makes it a bit more plausible for a donor.
Remember also that most schools have student fees that are tacked onto the tuition. Usually it is a per credit fee, because it is easier to hide that way. When you compare two schools, one with 30,000 students and one with 5000, you see that one has an advantage in raising money there. We have been told that student fees will go up.
But the biggest thing most people are missing about all of this is how it will shake out for the conferences. Face it, schools with football are going to be at a real disadvantage when it comes NIL funding. Sure, any schools could use up the entire $21MM and split it anyway they want. But most smaller schools with football are going to be a a real disadvantage to schools that DON'T have football. Say a smaller school decides they want to set a spending limit of $6MM. If they have football, that money is going to be pretty thin when it gets to the other sports. Just too many athletes and not enough money. Now compare the money available for players if the $6MM is mainly paid to basketball players. Which team has the advantage?
So, will small schools have to move down a level for basketball? Well, maybe not. Maybe the non-football schools will just move up. If they don't, you could see some mid-major conference where one or two schools dominate. Think Gonzaga and St. Mary's. I think a couple of the A-10 schools are headed in that direction. Remember the comment by the VCU AD about having NIL at the Top 35 level? Also, Odom's contract contains a clause that lets him re-negotiate his contract if VCU moves to a new conference. While they won't admit it, I think it is in the back of their heads.
All of this is very fluid and changing daily. My guess is that it is going to be a very different landscape in college basketball five years from now.
For the record, I am no long a season ticket holder at UR. After looking at the schedule, I saw no way that I could even breakeven this year. In the past I always made a profit on selling the tickets while keeping the VCU game for myself. So, for the first time in 8 years, I did not buy season tickets. But don't worry, I bought tickets two rows in front of my old tickets for the VCU game. I'll be there right behind the VCU bench.
Why would a school have to give the money to their football program? I can see P5 schools and even G5 schools having that pressure, but not at any other level. I would imagine a school can choose to put that money where’d they like. Also, what about the Title IX implications of money coming directly from AD to student athletes? Recent news from Department of Education. Different argument if NIL came directly from collective that was not affiliated with the university than from the university directly.
Well, at least one good thing came from our lousy schedule, you are no longer a season ticket holder.
It's okay, his current contract runs through 2029. He'll be fine.
Then it becomes an interesting conversation.
Yeah I don't think he's talking about Richmond here. But it wasn't written too well and he usually comes here to tell us about UR so who knows. Gonzaga will have advantage over the new Pac 12 with hoops spending, of course. maybe those r his smaller football schools examples. FCS football isn't going to spend more on football except those power mid/northwest teams. UR isn't going to spend revenue sharing $ on Patriot League football. His premise about having $6M to spend well if we had that it's going mainly to hoops too not football. Our disadvantage is we still have heavy costs & expenses from football unlike a VCU, so in theory we have less to spend on "revenue sharing", the disadvantage is current expenses not that we're taking additional available $ and giving it to football players. Our big advantage is we have $ to siphon from other sources, should we choose.
If not maybe you'll be donating to VCU before too long.
Donating to VCU comment was made tongue-in-cheek. Though the greater sentiment of not following, caring, or donating to this university in anyway would hold true if Richmond were to do that. Still, I don't see why we talk in hypotheticals when to me its clear that we do prioritize basketball. It's just not done in the way you or other posters would want, which is firing Mooney.
Made a reference to it in your last sentence. You also replied “what” to my initial comment of that so I thought I would respond there. I didn't have any additional comment to make about your main reply. Perhaps quoting that sentence would’ve been better.
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either spiderstudent is off his meds or a new person has taken on the posting duties for this account because these type and tone of replies are nothing like what we have been accustomed to in months prior.
thought my reply was more or less agreeing with u.
what sentence...still don't see any reference to Mooney fwiw
Miscommunication. I was referencing the comment that you made saying “you’ll be donating to VCU not too long” which I’m sure was in reference to the comment I made in another post. I was expanding on my sentiment about my comment and adding the fact that other than firing our coach, I’ve felt UR does prioritize basketball. While you didn’t reference Mooney in this post, I think it’s fair to say from your other posts that you would want him fired lol. Unless someone has hacked you account and changed your tune too 😉
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