We shot 29 percent from 3. We won’t win many games when that happens. We are and will always be more of a precision/finesse team under Mooney. And I like Golden and Cayo but we got out rebounded by 9 tonight. Still will be a 19-22 win season and many more good moments than the last few years. When I say finesse I’m not saying we are “soft” or not tough or that our guys don’t play hard...we just aren’t built to win many games when our perimeter shots aren’t falling. We have enough really good shooters that tonight should be the outlier but Mooney’s tenure tells us what happens when we have a bad shooting game.
Radford vs. Richmond
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Same coach overcomes all positives.
They ara all Mooney loses!! Radford stinks. Figure out a way to motivate and strategize to beat a team like this. It is imperative to the season.
A team of 20 year olds should be consistent, not full of ups and downs.
Id agree if we are playing against a top 25 opponent but The coach needs to figure it out against a team the caliber of Radford. Get the ball inside more, attach the offensive glass more, play much more pressure D to force turnovers. Sometimes you cant just go status quo and need to get creative when the norms arent working. Damn this was Radford we are talking about.
I mean really, Radford! This is acceptable to some? This is the culture we want? It’s ok to lose to Radford?
Not even a good Radford team, a 3-7 Radford team. Maybe there was too much talk from Mooney about kids catching flights, instead of focusing on the opponent.
And just like that, there goes any realistic opportunity to get an at large bid. So basically, this year won't be any different than any other year...our only chance to the NCAA tournament is to win the A10 tournament. In that respect, nothing has changed.
And just like that, there goes any realistic opportunity to get an at large bid. So basically, this year won't be any different than any other year...our only chance to the NCAA tournament is to win the A10 tournament. In that respect, nothing has changed.
Because you openly state let's play in DC so our young student athletes can have a head start on Christmas break and beat the crowds. Should have had their minds on beating Radford. Yep, Radford. Next year they better be playing in Bumfruck, Egypt and hitchhiking home for that performance.
Heard this before?
“I think they just played a lot tougher than us, honestly,” said Richmond freshman forward Tyler Burton, who scored eight on three-of-four shooting.
https://www.roanoke.com/sports/coll...cle_9343a92b-b509-5b2e-9811-a0806f4e91ed.html
“I think they just played a lot tougher than us, honestly,” said Richmond freshman forward Tyler Burton, who scored eight on three-of-four shooting.
https://www.roanoke.com/sports/coll...cle_9343a92b-b509-5b2e-9811-a0806f4e91ed.html
Everyone has an off-game my friend. In reality it was a bad game for every player. That's why the loss can be explained. Four guys who could off for 25-30 on any given night but when none of them do, well that's trouble.
Anyway JG is 46% with 3PTAs, 83% FTAs. In the country 2nd in steals%, 21st in ORating, and 31st in minutes. Pointing the finger at Jacob isn't necessary. Let's keep the finger pointing in Mooney's direction for the most part.
After all the loses to bad cupcakes during the past two years, THIS team should never take any game lightly and NEVER have a problem getting up for any game. This team is leaderless.
There were no runs in 2nd half. Not sure we scored consecutive baskets on any 2nd half possessions. Down 7 at half & don’t believe we got any closer, if so maybe 5 or 6 at best for a possession.
Radford came out w ton more energy. You are right about that tho. Very evident from warmups on. We had chances to get early lead golden missed a couple bunnies. Wish Gilyard would look for his shot more. Burton too athletic not to get more time. Increase his minutes.
Radford had more fans there.
We better hope Radford wins that league to at least make the loss look respectable. And we also better beat Alabama by 10+ points next week to show that this game was a fluke, if it was. Our A10 schedule is tough at the beginning, with Rhody, SLU, Davidson and Mason in our first five games. If we lose to Bama and then stumbled out of the A10 gate, the 10-1 start is a distant memory.
I have taken a look back at last year's NCAA tournament to see if there was anyone on the bubble that was in a similar situation to us. I found Belmont who was an eleven seed.
Belmont started the year off 6-0 and then proceeded to lose a few bad games.
Vs Green Bay loss 100-92. Green Bay finished the year 17-16 and played in the CIT tournament.
Loss at Purdue by 11(A loss similar to Auburn)
Loss at Jacksonville st by 11. Their final record was 24-9 but their record looks a lot better than it actually is as the best team they beat was Belmont by a long shot.
Another loss to Jacksonville st in overtime.
Loss to Murray st by 12 to finish out the year.
signature wins include UCLA who was 17-16 that year and Murray st the first time they met.
Their final record is 26-5. This year we already have more good wins than they did last year. The conference that they played in is much weaker than the a-10. They have Multiple losses that look very bad, similar to Radford. All of this is to show that we are certainly not out of the race for an at large bid. This team had a good amount of bad losses and few good wins but managed to make it in. I hope Richmond finds a way to make a huge run in a-10 play and get an at large.
NCAA or bust.
Belmont started the year off 6-0 and then proceeded to lose a few bad games.
Vs Green Bay loss 100-92. Green Bay finished the year 17-16 and played in the CIT tournament.
Loss at Purdue by 11(A loss similar to Auburn)
Loss at Jacksonville st by 11. Their final record was 24-9 but their record looks a lot better than it actually is as the best team they beat was Belmont by a long shot.
Another loss to Jacksonville st in overtime.
Loss to Murray st by 12 to finish out the year.
signature wins include UCLA who was 17-16 that year and Murray st the first time they met.
Their final record is 26-5. This year we already have more good wins than they did last year. The conference that they played in is much weaker than the a-10. They have Multiple losses that look very bad, similar to Radford. All of this is to show that we are certainly not out of the race for an at large bid. This team had a good amount of bad losses and few good wins but managed to make it in. I hope Richmond finds a way to make a huge run in a-10 play and get an at large.
NCAA or bust.
I didn't feel like we played well vs Charleston or ODU, I was hoping we would shake it off after exams, but we did not. We'll see how the guys respond after some time away.
Good comparison 2005, I was wondering the same thing as Fan1, assuming at large?
I am going to try to dig up the win loss prediction thread, curious what most of us thought and how we predicted the A10 games to go.
I am going to try to dig up the win loss prediction thread, curious what most of us thought and how we predicted the A10 games to go.
Bad loss, no two ways about it, but the sky isn’t falling. So many CB teams take one of these (which is why the transitive property doesn’t work in CB). This loss doesn’t end our NCAA dream, but it certainly shrinks our margins dramatically.
I’m very interested to see how this team responds. A good team comes out the next game with something to prove, and bad team gets into a funk.
With so many "stars" on this team, how do they all manage to have back to back poor games at the same time? It's like they were all on an adrenaline rush for a month after winning those two overtime games, and now they're all crashing.
Rick, yes, this is mental/motivation. Either need A) a handful of Gonzo/K Smitty/Dan Geriot types to drive the bus in this atmosphere, or B) Head Coach needs to grab hold of the situation early and motivate.
I can recall in high school, there were a couple schools my team always played down against. Human nature and happened every time. My coach was ready for it too. First time out: Blankety Blank Blank blank blank. Blank Blank, BLANK! Who wants to run suicides tomorrow morning 7AM?? Blank blank blank.
Seemed to work pretty good.
They lost in conference championship but won the regular season title. And went 27-6
I don't understand why this loss is so surprising. Yes - it was a game I thought we should have won when it came on the schedule, but all along I thought this would be a tough game for 2 reasons.
1) Neutral site right before break - games before break and right after break are hit or miss. Sometimes kids are already thinking of the 2-3 days they get off, other times they come back to campus and it takes a game or two to get back in rhythym. And throw in the fact this game was away from the Robins Center - where historically under Mooney we don't play well - I was already worried.
2) Radford guards - Radford was an NCAA team 2 years ago, and was 1 game away last year and won 22 games. They have struggled this year so far but they have experienced guards. Carlik Jones is a 1000 point scorer for them and a leader of their team. He has been there the past 2 seasons. Fields has been there the last 2 seasons and will likely reach 1000 this year in terms of points.
Sure - Greene came off the bench and caught fire, but Fields and Jones controlled the game. Fields had 17 points on 7 shots and 6-8 from the line. Jones was off shooting, but made up for it with 11 assists, 1 turnover, and 6 rebounds, and was 8-8 from the line.
We lost the rebounding battle, but only gave up 7 offensive rebounds - which is fine by me. We shot poorly, but some of that is on UR and some of that is because of Radford. We got 8 points off the bench to their 27.
I am not trying to say this is a good loss by any means. Losing to a Big South team is never a good loss. But this is not overly surprising. I thought we would win by 10, but the cold shooting did us in and their guards outplayed our guards.
1) Neutral site right before break - games before break and right after break are hit or miss. Sometimes kids are already thinking of the 2-3 days they get off, other times they come back to campus and it takes a game or two to get back in rhythym. And throw in the fact this game was away from the Robins Center - where historically under Mooney we don't play well - I was already worried.
2) Radford guards - Radford was an NCAA team 2 years ago, and was 1 game away last year and won 22 games. They have struggled this year so far but they have experienced guards. Carlik Jones is a 1000 point scorer for them and a leader of their team. He has been there the past 2 seasons. Fields has been there the last 2 seasons and will likely reach 1000 this year in terms of points.
Sure - Greene came off the bench and caught fire, but Fields and Jones controlled the game. Fields had 17 points on 7 shots and 6-8 from the line. Jones was off shooting, but made up for it with 11 assists, 1 turnover, and 6 rebounds, and was 8-8 from the line.
We lost the rebounding battle, but only gave up 7 offensive rebounds - which is fine by me. We shot poorly, but some of that is on UR and some of that is because of Radford. We got 8 points off the bench to their 27.
I am not trying to say this is a good loss by any means. Losing to a Big South team is never a good loss. But this is not overly surprising. I thought we would win by 10, but the cold shooting did us in and their guards outplayed our guards.
That was my original point though. Mooney's "system" does not focus on those things (inside play, hitting the offensive glass). We've had 15 years to see that we are never going to attack the offensive glass and we are never going to physically dominate teams inside. Grant is a very good college player and Cayo has been incredibly consistent and efficient this year but when we run into a team with good guards who can negate our guards then the flaws of Mooney's system get exposed. I'm not jumping off a cliff...we still have a lot to play for as we enter A-10 play... but I'm not surprised that these issues came up last night and we couldn't adjust. It would be like expecting Army or Navy to come out throwing 50 times a game in football, it's just not their system.
I didn't see the game but I watched us play a crappy 3 win ODU team on Wednesday, toe to toe for minutes. We had basically zero energy the entire game, save some inspired play by Francis. Our leader, Gilyard, played like he had lead in his underwear. Sounds like we played the same way, except Radford is better than ODU and thus handed us our ass.
Dude, come on. Belmont only lost 4 games in the regular season last year. The only "bad" non-conference loss was Green Bay. They didn't lose a "few" bad games. Their in-conference sweep by Jacksonville St. is a head-scratcher, but the away game was Quad 2. Their only other loss in the regular season was to Purdue.
They won a Quad 1 game and 2 Quad 2 games in their non-conference schedule last year. We do not have more good wins than they did. We have Wisconsin.
This is our first bad loss - it can be overcome - but let's dial back the revisionist history.
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I look at it simplistically. Out of our starting 5, we have 2.5 guys who I think should be able to score consistently, regardless. We have 2.5 who can light it up and be on fire at any time and make us impossible to defend.
Grant and Cayo need to put up 30 ppg between them in those games when we are cold from the outside. Where does my .5 come from? Sherod. He is our most pure outside shooter, but he can take it inside too. If it isn’t working from the outside, be a little more flexible, a little more dynamic, and get him posting up or playing a mid range game. He needs to be our “flex” guy going inside or out, and finding ways to score, regardless of the circumstances.
The more we rely on the 3, the more we get stuck. As the season progresses and we get more tired, I think the longer distance from 3 is going to make us play “heavy.” We need to establish more inside game, even from our guards, to make up for this.
Grant and Cayo need to put up 30 ppg between them in those games when we are cold from the outside. Where does my .5 come from? Sherod. He is our most pure outside shooter, but he can take it inside too. If it isn’t working from the outside, be a little more flexible, a little more dynamic, and get him posting up or playing a mid range game. He needs to be our “flex” guy going inside or out, and finding ways to score, regardless of the circumstances.
The more we rely on the 3, the more we get stuck. As the season progresses and we get more tired, I think the longer distance from 3 is going to make us play “heavy.” We need to establish more inside game, even from our guards, to make up for this.
Oh I blame Mooney too, but Gilyard is the leader on the court. Bad games do happen, but not against a 3-7 Radford team. He should have taken over and he didn’t.
Football and basketball are entirely different animals. Small adjustments can be made in BB to make a huge difference. Many here have criticized CM for the fact that he can never adjust from his "system" and that is why he is not a very good coach. This is a perfect example and you outlined it very well. You pretty much drew up a perfect defensive game plan for any team playing the Spiders moving forward... stop guards from scoring and the game is very winnable. Historically we have found that other coaches figure out Mooney and have great success against him. Sadly, after last night, I don't see that changing during conference play. If he can't adjust his "system" in a game when everything isn't going just right, we are in for a bunch of losses.
I need one of you smart guys to look at this for me. We committed 19 fouls and our two centers combined for 0 fouls. I did not see the game, but was Grant playing Ole’ defense again? We have 10 fouls to waste in the rim protector category, somebody should level the first guy who comes inside and set the tone!.
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I, unfortunately (fortunately?) missed the game, but...
Radford seems one of the best teams at not getting the ball stolen since Gilyard, Francis, Goose, and Cayo combined for 15 fouls, I wonder how many were attempted steals?
So far we are 0-2 in games I haven’t watched. I shall make every effort to watch each game going forward.
I must admit to a bit of a perversion to the inevitable meltdown on the board when we lose a game we should win, followed by the invariable defense of said letdown. It’s close to death and taxes in terms of dependability.
I must admit to a bit of a perversion to the inevitable meltdown on the board when we lose a game we should win, followed by the invariable defense of said letdown. It’s close to death and taxes in terms of dependability.
That’s not part of the moondogs system. It may stop the other team from going for an offensive rebound, and he can’t allow that.
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