Having 40% of your seasons be inevitable down seasons is perfectly normal!
OOC Grade is in!!! No surprise, it's an F
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Having 40% of your seasons be inevitable down seasons is perfectly normal!
Sure, they'd love to retain these coaches, but the point is they hire the best available coach that they can get. We were talking about Odom a few years ago. They're not necessarily getting poached by "better" teams, just richer ones. These schools have accepted the reality that when 8 figures get waved in front of their coach's family, they're gone.
I don't want to derail a basketball thread with football talk, but I was certainly not disparaging our current football program. Very happy that Russ has seemingly turned it around - see you Saturday! But there is no comparison to a National Championship, a semifinal appearance, and two quarterfinals in a 5-season span, in a much more competitive FCS landscape.
After Jimmye Laycock's last game (a Spider win!), Russ said he wanted be to that kind of coach here. Essentially, a CFL. That's kind of what we seek - coaches who don't aspire to higher levels. That's not a knock on RH, it's just what we are.
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Damn, I know I've been away a while, but we really haven't won a single D1 game since this?
This reminds me of when I beat my son years ago 1 on 1 hoops. 21-0. We came inside and his mom was like how was the game? I replied "21-0 but it wasn't as close as the score indicates"
F grade. and not as good as the F indicates.
F grade. and not as good as the F indicates.
I thought this story was going in a very different direction at first.
Our MTE participation grade as a program is actually worse than our overall results grade but zero minus zero is zero.
well we know how your mind works! & yeah perhaps defeated would have been a better word choice.
It was an F on November 13 and it remains an F on December 28, even though the intervening 6 weeks have made it much, much worse.
It would go from “F” to “G” except we’ve run out of OOC games to play.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
what happened to all the essays propping up your guy Moonie, cmon don't give up the fight now!
What I shared was my assessment of our performance the past several years that overall have been very solid and I stand by that. I have also acknowledged that this year we are very bad. Next off season will be a big one in terms of how well Mooney can navigate NIL/transfer era. I still think this suits us well, but we will have to see. Right now we have 1-1 record.
Really strong. Buy games galore for opponents.
He's like 4700 - its the time frame, c'mon. We can't hold mooniocrity accountable for the whole period can we?
And last year was a GREAT year, even though we crapped the bed in the OOC to take ourselves out of bid contention, and 0-2 in the post season. That was squarely on moon, we all saw it coming but just like this last press conference, no need to adapt. Just focus on what we do.
Both NIL and transfer era. I think last year was a perfect example of how we can find good players for 1-2 years who can fit our system and play well together. Problem is we shouldn’t rely on it too much. Ideally we would have 2-3 players from high school recruits and then supplement with transfers. This year our entire team is basically transfers and when you miss on talent, like we have, then we’re in for a very bad season. So it’s a double edge sword in a way but if done effectively can be great for us. Jury is still out on that one though. So this is a big offseason for us. If it’s another dud like this year than I’m going to shift my thinking that maybe last year was more of the exception. But right now I am still giving Mooney credit for last year’s success and thinking we can find the right guys for next year.
I am also in let's see what happens next year mode. We lost 4 starters last year, our recruiting has been bad lately, and we missed some needed athletic guys in the portal this year. That equals a bad roster, and when you have a bad roster due to recruit misses and a bad portal year, that is 100% on the coach.
Basketball can give you a quick fix if you have some freshmen recruits who can be a factor right away and land an impact player or players in the portal. So, the program is far from dead, but it will be important not only who we land in the portal, but what these recruits the past 2 years show us. It's hard to be high on McGlothin and Robinson anymore, so if they are Tanner and Noyes types, as I now expect, and we continue the path of not playing next year's freshmen guys, that would be frustrating and make it hard to turn things around.
Well 17 u & 4700 were a must reward performance of the last TWO years. Those unbelievably strong 2 years of going 0-1 in the NIT. Must extend for that kind of performance even tho the coach already had 3 seasons left on contract. And if not for performance then for recruiting! These r musts. 40% .500 or below seasons, 15% ncaa make rate, 25% win rate vs vcu. Embarrassingly bad but we must ignore in order to must reward.
The problem is that yes, hs recruiting by Mooney has been bad. And have very little faith in hitting big in the portal next season. Mooney has already flied the flag in interviews that he wants to go back to more emphasis on hs recruiting. So not seeing a path to some magical roster build next season. Only possibility in my mind is to go out and get two Jordan King types in the portal. But even the guys that possibly looked like those types this year ( guy Deuce from USD) are not doing that great. So even our portal misses were not big time talents. May depend on 80s fan and PQ and whether they want to offer over market value for some p5 guys. But I don't see Mooney going that route.
Yes, crazy. If Mooney was a state school there would be a ton of tax payers pissed off. Instead there are only a few of us disgruntled fans and we are told that he is doing great and we are a bunch of complainers , because what can you expect from lil ol itsy bitsy Spiders. And he gets extended for idiotic reasons.
I don't think it is as much a recruitibg problem as it is a utilization problem.
But, look at where our guys transferred to. Pretty much all have transferred down, and haven't done great at lower levels either. How would you have used guys like Nelson, Noyes, and Tanner?
Not going to debate recruiting our hs recruiting in particular has been basically non existent for at least 5 years.
But how about 2 of those 3 beating out Dji? that’s utilization.
He's a bad HS recruiter and a bad portal recruiter on average. He's fundamentally a poor coach. Any coach who devalues rebounding and defense for pretty basketball just doesn't get it.
Assuming this season is a losing record - a pretty safe assumption - the following will all be true:
4 of the past 8 seasons have finished with a losing record.
1 NCAA tournament appearance in those 8 years.
The infrequent highs don't justify the regular lows. Appearances in the NCAA tournament is the metric to gauge success in college basketball. I hardly agree that UR has a great run of recent success. Richmond has the resources that it should not have to expect at least 1 losing record in exchange for an NIT level season.
(also brilliant job by student17 misidentifying this as only the 2nd year of the portal era and creating a new category that fits his narrative. It's the 3rd. Moon has 2 losing seasons in 3 in the portal era.)
4 of the past 8 seasons have finished with a losing record.
1 NCAA tournament appearance in those 8 years.
The infrequent highs don't justify the regular lows. Appearances in the NCAA tournament is the metric to gauge success in college basketball. I hardly agree that UR has a great run of recent success. Richmond has the resources that it should not have to expect at least 1 losing record in exchange for an NIT level season.
(also brilliant job by student17 misidentifying this as only the 2nd year of the portal era and creating a new category that fits his narrative. It's the 3rd. Moon has 2 losing seasons in 3 in the portal era.)
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
don't forget 24-7! We count that as an NCAA season around here for some reason
FIFY
don't forget 24-7! We count that as an NCAA championship season around here for some reason
don't forget 24-7! We count that as an NCAA championship season around here for some reason
What I don’t understand is as coach that runs a system, it doesn’t seems like we recruit every year to run those systems - Princeton O and switching defense. This year we have bigs that can’t pass to facilitate the offense, a whole bunch of nonshooters, guys not athletic enough to defend multiple positions, and we don’t have a guard who can score when the offense isn’t working which has been a staple of the good Mooney teams.
That plus a coach that can’t get out of his box to do something different when the systems aren’t working is a recipe for a season like this one.
That plus a coach that can’t get out of his box to do something different when the systems aren’t working is a recipe for a season like this one.
This is completely inaccurate; he took off his sportcoat for almost the entire second half last night.
It was last 8 mins of the game....about the time we walked out
Unfortunately, we already know what is going to happen next year. The Spiders will have a young team and will experience the usual growing pains. We will see another super light OOC schedule just like most of the A10. Hopefully the team gets better as the year goes on and “buys in” on being the next super class.
Which is why so many posters on the Forum are upset with the current coach and staff
I think the last few years have already proven that there is no such thing as a quick fix in the Mooney system.
Before I get the full 4700 treatment, I will add that I am looking forward to next year and hopefully the next couple years because I am a fan of developing a team. The NIL “buy a player” model is counter to my love of college athletics, which used to mean teams comprised of student athletes. If I wanted to watch professional athletes that are the best basketball players in the world, I would tune into the NBA. What I want to see are players that love the game of basketball and know that their time playing it is limited.
Is Mooney the right coach to build such a team? Unfortunately, this is a pointless question because he is going to be the coach for the foreseeable future. The administration has been satisfied with his performance over the past 20 years including a horrendous 2 season stretch when most schools would have parted ways (of course then there is the “end justifies the means” result as the team then rallied to make the NCAAs and win a game). So we are going to get to see how all this works out again.
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