Stop with the A10 title already. UR tied for a regular season best record… tied. The A10 Champs are the team that wins the A10 tourney.
OOC Grade is in!!! No surprise, it's an F
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Just for reference
VCU is currently 3-0 with a convincing win over BC.
Dayton is 3-0 with a 5 point over Northwestern.
Loyola is 4-0 with a 5 point over Princeton (FYI - Princeton finished 55 in the NET last year).
So yes it is possible to build on the momentum, and I thought UR did with the transfers we brought in - especially when we started to get guys from UCONN and Michigan. But so far, Michigan has been seated on the bench and UCONN helped Marist win with a late tech.
Not likely we win 15 in a row. But I think likely we have some form of repeat from last year. We struggle in OOC until about the W&M, where I think we win that game, then we beat VMI, FGCU and open with 3-4 wins in the A10, maybe more as our opening schedule is not too terrible in the A10. Maybe we string together a few games like we did last year where we won last 3 OOC games and then won the first 8 A10 games before falling to VCU (of course). Not sure we could open up with 8 A10 wins, but I didn't see that coming last year - but our schedule could easily produce 4, maybe 5 wins to start the A10 season. But then again - we would be in same position as last year - even if we won the A10 regular season with our poor OOC, we would need an A10 tourney win to make the dance.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
the curse of the big exhale, after ruminating on it I wouldn't be surprised if this was partially caused by Moon knowing that he had done enough to fight off any substantive hot seat talk and with another 4-5 years of check cashing coming his way could relax again.
Mooney sucks. He gets lucky every several years and it's a big celebration. He is not in Beilein or Tarrant's league.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Any average coach could have reached 3 NCAA's in 20 years here. Or are we supposed to believe this is as good as it gets?
So true. But yes, I think so. Or forced as Captain A said. Really rough feeling. But they’ve reconditioned things to make you think his tenure is top success and great performance and made us “one of the top basketball programs in the nation”. We were better pre Mooney. It now gets u minimum 24 years job security.
I made this comment in another thread because I had to LMAO after student17 said a down year is inevitable. Mooney has them 40% of the time. 40! IF if this year is another non winning .500 or below season that will be 8 out of 20 years for Moon. That’s insane for a vet coach. If he gets swept by vcu he’ll be at 25% win. 25! Look at those numbers. One would then think he’s crushing it the rest of the time. Nope. 3 NCAAs.
You know how many inevitable down .500 or below years coaches Tarrant and Beilein had at U of R in 17 combined years?
One.
Mooney has definitely lowered the bar. It's crazy to think about, the excuse mongering and woe is me messaging this dude generated over the years. Just wild.
Take for instance the fact that we can't win an OOC road game. Not like we are playing juggernauts, but moon is always whining about how hard it is to win on the road. He again sets the bar low.
Take for instance the fact that we can't win an OOC road game. Not like we are playing juggernauts, but moon is always whining about how hard it is to win on the road. He again sets the bar low.
Competing is all that matters, no matter the level of the opponent.
Yup. To use 4700’s constant timeline just bc he uses it to prove success. I see it differently (note this is not a jab at 4700 just my differing view of what he uses as a successful program period. If you expand the view even more as GK did, it looks even worse.)
Legendary 24-7 year. Very good year, no doubt. Likely in ncaa but still close to the cut line bc of things like getting shelled by Radford in the OOC. If had lost first A10 tourney game things may have been dicey. Will never know but it was a fun season.
Following year, same exact veteran team, 14-9, inexplicable losses, SLU abandoned a game against UR bc of lack of program control, an NIT loss. Anyone who think that season was a success is has vastly low expectations since it was a team full of upperclassmen called the best class ever by the coach.
Following year, team of all upperclassmen many taking 5th years, underachieved to 6th in A10 with little consistency, but Gilyard got piping hot in A10 tourney and Grace and Burton made big plays late against Davidson. Big upset of Iowa in NCAA, total egg game vs Providence. Still, an NCAA and a win. Successful season of the kind I personally want and expect bc I use NCAAs as my metric.
Following year, transfer portal haul looks great, team plays with no cohesion and it’s a losing season despite A 10 being nothing special. A10 POY candidate starts out on fire until teams game plan him, then makes A10 2nd team. Absolutlely disappointing season. Lost to W&M by scoring in the 50s. Again, a losing record with veteran players and 5th year program returnees as starters. Really bad.
Last year, weak OOC results doom any shot at an at large bid. Despite team gelling once the best players started, and a program best result in A10 play, team had to win A10 tournament to sniff NCAAs. Despite having #1 seed, zero wins achieved in A10 tourney, followed by a blowout loss in NIT. Nice season, ultimately unsuccessful by the only real metric that matters (NCAA bid) as UR was nowhere near the at large conversation or the auto bid and ultimately irrelevant to the landscape.
This year. transfer portal haul looks great, team plays with no cohesion. Has the program had a worse 3 game stretch? Has a Moon team ever blown a 21 point lead? Miami NIT was 17 I think. Either way, it’s not good. These are hand picked upperclassmen players plucked from the portal. Zero cohesion and the eye test is really bad.
I just believe that hoping for one above average season in exchange for a losing season the next is not this program’s ceiling.
In this time frame one season of six in at large consideration. only one actual NCAA.
This is not sustained success and regular greatness and a program reaching its potential. It’s mediocrity and disappointing results with tons of resources.
Legendary 24-7 year. Very good year, no doubt. Likely in ncaa but still close to the cut line bc of things like getting shelled by Radford in the OOC. If had lost first A10 tourney game things may have been dicey. Will never know but it was a fun season.
Following year, same exact veteran team, 14-9, inexplicable losses, SLU abandoned a game against UR bc of lack of program control, an NIT loss. Anyone who think that season was a success is has vastly low expectations since it was a team full of upperclassmen called the best class ever by the coach.
Following year, team of all upperclassmen many taking 5th years, underachieved to 6th in A10 with little consistency, but Gilyard got piping hot in A10 tourney and Grace and Burton made big plays late against Davidson. Big upset of Iowa in NCAA, total egg game vs Providence. Still, an NCAA and a win. Successful season of the kind I personally want and expect bc I use NCAAs as my metric.
Following year, transfer portal haul looks great, team plays with no cohesion and it’s a losing season despite A 10 being nothing special. A10 POY candidate starts out on fire until teams game plan him, then makes A10 2nd team. Absolutlely disappointing season. Lost to W&M by scoring in the 50s. Again, a losing record with veteran players and 5th year program returnees as starters. Really bad.
Last year, weak OOC results doom any shot at an at large bid. Despite team gelling once the best players started, and a program best result in A10 play, team had to win A10 tournament to sniff NCAAs. Despite having #1 seed, zero wins achieved in A10 tourney, followed by a blowout loss in NIT. Nice season, ultimately unsuccessful by the only real metric that matters (NCAA bid) as UR was nowhere near the at large conversation or the auto bid and ultimately irrelevant to the landscape.
This year. transfer portal haul looks great, team plays with no cohesion. Has the program had a worse 3 game stretch? Has a Moon team ever blown a 21 point lead? Miami NIT was 17 I think. Either way, it’s not good. These are hand picked upperclassmen players plucked from the portal. Zero cohesion and the eye test is really bad.
I just believe that hoping for one above average season in exchange for a losing season the next is not this program’s ceiling.
In this time frame one season of six in at large consideration. only one actual NCAA.
This is not sustained success and regular greatness and a program reaching its potential. It’s mediocrity and disappointing results with tons of resources.
It appears that losing 3+ starters -- regardless of how good the talent is that replaces them -- presents a situation that Mooney cannot figure out. Granted, that's tricky for any program but the good ones don't miss a beat anyway. We seem to miss every beat and start all the way over at square one. You can't build a sustainable program that way, you can only build very good teams from time to time.
Exactly. The 6 year time period shown shows there is little in the way of consistent greatness. On the contrary some nice minor achievements but little greatness overall.
The early results in the portal era show that the first year of a big group of new players is going to be a really disappointing, losing season.
Why UR can never build upon its success to have a sustained period of high level winning that becomes self-fulfilling - i.e. becoming the actual great program that it claims to be - makes no sense. Other programs do it. But UR has to go out to the wilderness and hope that year 4 or year 5 MIGHT bring something tangible following an NCAA appearance. Well this is year 3 and we're reaching new lows by the game.
March 2025 will be 3 years since the Iowa NCAA win. How has the program used that to elevate itself since then? With a losing season in year 1 afterward, and then - I'll be shocked if it's not - another losing season in year 3. How has the program followed up its first ever A10 regular season (shared) title? By losing 6 straight Division 1 games since claiming a share of that title.
The early results in the portal era show that the first year of a big group of new players is going to be a really disappointing, losing season.
Why UR can never build upon its success to have a sustained period of high level winning that becomes self-fulfilling - i.e. becoming the actual great program that it claims to be - makes no sense. Other programs do it. But UR has to go out to the wilderness and hope that year 4 or year 5 MIGHT bring something tangible following an NCAA appearance. Well this is year 3 and we're reaching new lows by the game.
March 2025 will be 3 years since the Iowa NCAA win. How has the program used that to elevate itself since then? With a losing season in year 1 afterward, and then - I'll be shocked if it's not - another losing season in year 3. How has the program followed up its first ever A10 regular season (shared) title? By losing 6 straight Division 1 games since claiming a share of that title.
So we have a large dataset to look at here and I think the answer is fairly straightforward. The “system” we run requires a lot of things to go right in order to win. It generally requires better than average 3pt shooting and low turnovers. Other things that could move the needle like suffocating defense, forcing turnovers, and rebounding margin are all de-emphasized if not a actively avoided.
CM seems unwilling to deviate from this strategy either in game or systematically. So I suspect we will never capitalize on a single years success because the success is inherently difficult to repeat given our system.
I rarely post though I have lurked on this board for 20+ years now since I was an undergrad.
I think what a lot of people are feeling and trying to find ways to say it, is how little FUN it is anymore.
We play a boring style of play (not getting into it here) and i would say 85% of the games we have played (win or lose) in the past 19 years haven't really meant much of anything. Almost every year we lose so many dumb OOC games, and literally never have any big OOC wins (that Kentucky team we hung our hat on in 2020 only won 9 games that year), and so the chances of an at-large bid become .01%. And that takes all the drama out of every game in Dec, Jan, Feb, until the A-10 tournament. What's the next game on the schedule that means anything? What games should we be hyped about? And it's not even Thanksgiving. Why does this feel normal now?
It's college sports. The ups and downs are what make it fun. In almost two decades, where is the drama? Where are the fun upsets? Where is a massive recruiting win for a program-changing player? Where is the swagger? Say what you want about ol' Jerry Wainwright, but those teams would punch a mf in the mouth, even if we lost (the win at Kansas in '04 is still a bigger non-NCAAT win than any win Mooney has had in 19 years and JW was only here 3 seasons).
I realize the A10 is a shell of its former self and we are a small school in an ever-changing landscape of college sports. But we used to be a David fighting Goliaths, now we are a David *regularly* losing to David Jrs in Nov/Dec and patting ourselves on the back for beating teams casual sports fans would have to google to find out who they are.
Make Richmond Basketball fun again. Make most of the season actually relevant most years. I don't care what cooked-up stats people throw at me or like, the mental gymnastics it takes to make some weird little moral victories fun for a random few people or to justify having a rebuild year after a season in which we had zero post-season wins. Just make it fun again.
I think what a lot of people are feeling and trying to find ways to say it, is how little FUN it is anymore.
We play a boring style of play (not getting into it here) and i would say 85% of the games we have played (win or lose) in the past 19 years haven't really meant much of anything. Almost every year we lose so many dumb OOC games, and literally never have any big OOC wins (that Kentucky team we hung our hat on in 2020 only won 9 games that year), and so the chances of an at-large bid become .01%. And that takes all the drama out of every game in Dec, Jan, Feb, until the A-10 tournament. What's the next game on the schedule that means anything? What games should we be hyped about? And it's not even Thanksgiving. Why does this feel normal now?
It's college sports. The ups and downs are what make it fun. In almost two decades, where is the drama? Where are the fun upsets? Where is a massive recruiting win for a program-changing player? Where is the swagger? Say what you want about ol' Jerry Wainwright, but those teams would punch a mf in the mouth, even if we lost (the win at Kansas in '04 is still a bigger non-NCAAT win than any win Mooney has had in 19 years and JW was only here 3 seasons).
I realize the A10 is a shell of its former self and we are a small school in an ever-changing landscape of college sports. But we used to be a David fighting Goliaths, now we are a David *regularly* losing to David Jrs in Nov/Dec and patting ourselves on the back for beating teams casual sports fans would have to google to find out who they are.
Make Richmond Basketball fun again. Make most of the season actually relevant most years. I don't care what cooked-up stats people throw at me or like, the mental gymnastics it takes to make some weird little moral victories fun for a random few people or to justify having a rebuild year after a season in which we had zero post-season wins. Just make it fun again.
Ding, ding ,ding. I reckon any really good high school coach with our resources, league affiliation, facilities and brand if we brought them into coach UR would be able to get us to 3 NCAA's in the span of 20 years. Mooney has been consistently average for the better part of 2 decades here and yet our powers that be would like us to believe that he is the best we can ever hope for. It is insulting to our intelligence to keep telling us that and those that firmly believe that it causes me to question theirs.
Mooney is not a bad coach, he also is not a great coach, he is according to his record a very slightly above average coach. UR as an academic institution would never accept a slightly above average anything but on the athletic side of the operation, that is celebrated.
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First time I haven't even bothered to watch. Ok, I saw maybe a couple minutes of 2 games, but way less than a full half. I'm mainly not interested because of the awful changes to college basketball because of NIL which results in total lack of loyalty and pride in the school. It is also a much easier decision to tune out knowing I won't miss anything with Mooney in charge. It takes all the stars to align to have an almost good season like last year.
That said, I'm all in on the women's team. They are kicking ass with a fantastic coach and have a great schedule to go with it! I see player pride in being Spiders with that team. Not as much NIL influence in women's sports and thus more pride. Way more fun. I encourage you all to skip men's games to show your dissatisfaction and spend your time attending women's games. They will appreciate your support, you'll have a lot more fun, and it will make a statement!
Like I said, I haven't watched much, but I can assure you from what I saw, we are no where in the ballpark of the team we were last year...and they ultimately failed.
A couple years ago I put together a breakdown on this board of Moon's records against the various A10 teams.
It showed that he feasted on the dregs of the league - as he should - but that the results against the better A10 programs, was where it all fell apart. The definition of sports mediocrity is mostly beating the weak teams and mostly losing to the good teams.
55% is the number that defines it all.
The sample size is going on 20 years. You don't need to know anything else.
It's clear the school would rather keep a barely winning coach that they don't have to think about or worry about, than to try to win on a regularly high level by moving on. The sample size is there. Nothing will change.
Hardt is absolutely the wrong person to think might make any move.
Nothing will change. Accept this the way the school accepts mediocrity in results in its flagship sport and you'll have much more peace of mind.
It showed that he feasted on the dregs of the league - as he should - but that the results against the better A10 programs, was where it all fell apart. The definition of sports mediocrity is mostly beating the weak teams and mostly losing to the good teams.
55% is the number that defines it all.
The sample size is going on 20 years. You don't need to know anything else.
It's clear the school would rather keep a barely winning coach that they don't have to think about or worry about, than to try to win on a regularly high level by moving on. The sample size is there. Nothing will change.
Hardt is absolutely the wrong person to think might make any move.
Nothing will change. Accept this the way the school accepts mediocrity in results in its flagship sport and you'll have much more peace of mind.
OK, to cite myself, as of February 2023, Moon's record was 34 games over .500 vs Fordham, Duquesne and LaSalle.
3-0 last year makes him 37 games over .500 against those 3 (note: I don't recall if I was originally including A10 tournament play, but let's ignore that for now bc it will be a small number of games regardless.)
If my quick calculations are correct, Moon's all time A10 regular season record (taking out Peter Thomas's 2-4 record from Moon's count) is 168 and 137. 31 games over .500 (and also exactly 55%, lol.)
Against non-Fordham, Lasalle and Duquesne teams, he is 6 games UNDER .500
What can you say?
(Hardt: "I'll say EXTENSION!!!!)
3-0 last year makes him 37 games over .500 against those 3 (note: I don't recall if I was originally including A10 tournament play, but let's ignore that for now bc it will be a small number of games regardless.)
If my quick calculations are correct, Moon's all time A10 regular season record (taking out Peter Thomas's 2-4 record from Moon's count) is 168 and 137. 31 games over .500 (and also exactly 55%, lol.)
Against non-Fordham, Lasalle and Duquesne teams, he is 6 games UNDER .500
What can you say?
(Hardt: "I'll say EXTENSION!!!!)
mr. spider, if I remember correctly, didn't u always say u were all in until we're mathematically eliminated from an At Large bid?
We are mathematically eliminated from an At Large bid
Yes, you are correct UNTIL the NIL corrupted all that was school pride in college basketball.
In any case, you're right, we are mathematically eliminated well before Thanksgiving!
Kind of a strange way to make a point. Any coach would have a way worse conference record if u didn't count wins against 3 of the worst conference teams.
Everyone loves drooling over Ryan Odom on here. VCU went 11-7 in the A-10 last year. 6-1 against the bottom 6 teams and 5-6 against the top 9 teams.
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And then to also add into the 55% is that we typically play 7-8 low mid major programs every year in the OOC. Schools that we have better talent, resources, league that for the most part of our easy W. So, then all Mooney has to do to get to his 55% is win another 7-8 games in conference. And again, half of our own league we have a tangibly better resourced program. So, most years he just has to fall forward to achieve his lifetime achievement mark of 55%.
Just ordered my MRBFA t-shirt. On the back is Hardt sleeping under the desk.
From what I've seen of both careers, I think I'd take Odom as a coach over Moon. Odom seems to have the potential & ability to get to the upside. Moon is Moon, & 20 years says so. What you've seen is all you are going to get.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
in a few years he will be at a P5 and Mooney will still be cashing checks here.
OK if that bugs you, I invite you to check Moon's record if you lop off Moon's record against the 3 bottom feeders (his record gets worse) but then also lop it off against the top 3 A10 teams (his record gets better) for fairness.
Some math guy here will tell me if that is correct methodology. I'm pretty sure that what you're going to get is a coach sniffing .500. He feeds on the bottom, loses to the top, trades with the rest. It's mediocrity.
I'll rehash this nugget that I posted back a couple of years ago. Tell me why we should expect anything different going forward from a Chris Mooney team. He's a nice guy, runs a clean program. But we know what we will get.
1st 6 year cycle (aka Geriot cycle) - Winning % .562
This is Year 1 through Geriot's graduation. bc year 1 was a massive program overhaul year, I extended it to 6 years to give Moon the benefit of his first recruiting class (which included Geriot) going all the way through to graduation.
2 NCAAs, 1 A10 Tournament title, 0 A10 Regular Season titles.
Key players: Geriot, Anderson, Harper, Gonzalvez, Butler, Brothers.
Note: NCAAs were in years 5 and 6 of the cycle.
2nd 5 year cycle - Winning % .548
5 years for a graduation cycle plus a redshirt/transfer in year.
0 NCAAs, 0 A10 Tournament titles, 0 A10 Regular Season titles.
Key players: Lindsay, Brothers, Anthony, Allen, Jones, Cline.
Note: 1st team left out of NCAAs in year 4 of the cycle.
3rd 6 year cycle (aka Golden/Sherod cycle) - Winning %.570
Extended to 6 years bc of COVID shortened year extended the graduation cycle by a year.
1 NCAA, 1 A10 Tournament title, 0 A10 Regular Season titles.
Key players: Cline, Jones, Buckingham, Sherod, Fore, Golden, Gilyard, Cayo, Burton.
Note: NCAA was in year 6 of the cycle.
4th cycle - started in 2022 (now in year 3) - Current winning % .570 (As of 11/18/24. does not include games coached by P. Thomas)
1 A10 reg. season co-championship
0 NCAAs
0 A10 quarterfinals wins
Key players: Burton, King, Quinn
Amazingly consistent. But unlike the last cycle, I don't see on the current roster the likes of Gilyard, Golden or Cayo as sophomores, rising talents that promise hope for the future.
We know what we have, we know what we will get. But cycles are shorter now because no one has to sit out after transferring. So this should only be a 4 year cycle. Next year is the final year of the post-NCAA cycle. What NCAA results will we have to show for it?
It doesn't bug me. Just saying you were getting on Mooney for something that would show most coaches out there doing the same....getting more of their wins against the bottom teams. Duh???
Okay, so u expect NCAA bids, A-10 regular season titles, and A-10 tourney titles, and say seasons are bad if this doesn't happen. I doubt a lot of coaches would do this a lot, but whatever. As good as Dayton has been, Grant has 1 regular season title, no tourney titles, and 1 NCAA bid ( 2 without covid) in 7 years. Odom didn't do any of these last year, Mooney did, but Odom still got all the praise and Mooney got criticized. It is what it is on here. You and others want to act like 2020 didn't exist. I really enjoyed that year. You and others want to act like 2022 was some lucky hot streak. Again, I enjoyed that year a lot. You and others want to act like last year was not successful and was meaningless because we didn't go dancing. I loved our season last year and really enjoyed watching our games. So, whatever, I have no desire to go back and forth here with you. I think we have had 3 successful seasons in the last 5. You obviously don't. I would take that 5 year stretch ( regular season title, tourney title, 24, 24, and 23 win seasons, dance win over Iowa) everytime. You obviously wouldn't. I don't whine and make numerous negative posts about our coach everytime we have a rough stretch, while never praising a great stretch. You do. So, we can just disagree on everything and move on.
Okay, so u expect NCAA bids, A-10 regular season titles, and A-10 tourney titles, and say seasons are bad if this doesn't happen. I doubt a lot of coaches would do this a lot, but whatever. As good as Dayton has been, Grant has 1 regular season title, no tourney titles, and 1 NCAA bid ( 2 without covid) in 7 years. Odom didn't do any of these last year, Mooney did, but Odom still got all the praise and Mooney got criticized. It is what it is on here. You and others want to act like 2020 didn't exist. I really enjoyed that year. You and others want to act like 2022 was some lucky hot streak. Again, I enjoyed that year a lot. You and others want to act like last year was not successful and was meaningless because we didn't go dancing. I loved our season last year and really enjoyed watching our games. So, whatever, I have no desire to go back and forth here with you. I think we have had 3 successful seasons in the last 5. You obviously don't. I would take that 5 year stretch ( regular season title, tourney title, 24, 24, and 23 win seasons, dance win over Iowa) everytime. You obviously wouldn't. I don't whine and make numerous negative posts about our coach everytime we have a rough stretch, while never praising a great stretch. You do. So, we can just disagree on everything and move on.
great stuff.
because I have high expectations that are in line with the entire industry that follows college basketball, doesn't mean I don't enjoy things that happen along the way.
I just happen to believe those things can and should be more frequent given the resources and commitment given to the coach. You can have your own goalposts and celebrate what you like however you like, you probably really enjoyed how the Bucknell game went to overtime because it was extra hoops. Great, good for you. Personally, I would enjoy things more if UR won at a higher clip and IMO there is no reason UR shouldn't win at that clip.
There is a clear pattern of mediocrity here. It's not going anywhere. You support it. You have no expectations. You are the issue.
Get ready for 2 ton 3 years of mooniocrity. If the sun and moon (pun intended) align in year three or four we will be decent. Dji and Bigs aren't walking through that door. And moon is not setting any expectations.
Has anyone been able to observe Mooney's demeanor on the sideline? Last season when we had players he was back to early years Mooney, on the refs, on the players, locked in from minute 1. Guessing this year he will be back to defeated Mooney sideline demeanor.
Has anyone been able to observe Mooney's demeanor on the sideline? Last season when we had players he was back to early years Mooney, on the refs, on the players, locked in from minute 1. Guessing this year he will be back to defeated Mooney sideline demeanor.
Let me explain the difference. U neglect to mention Dayton was a 1 seed and a national title contender in Covid year. That’s a pretty damn big deal. Also just 1 down year his first season & UD looks to be in mix again this season. Mooney has down years 40% of his tenure. 40%! But lastly and more importantly if Grant ncaa rate doesn’t improve he’ll be canned. I mean he’s better than Moon has been already but u think he’ll get 24 years without stepping it up a bit more? No way. They’ll move on to next guy, crazy thought.
And Odom had 4 returning players last season. 4. Arguably better season than us. No a10 reg season title but still split w us, better metrics, went to A10 title game & won 2 NIT games. We flamed out and started our d1 winless streak of currently 6 since our victory lap net cutting. And now vcu a possible top 25 team. He had to “rebuild” but no excuses that it takes a long time and u need 3 years + to learn a system. Just gets it done. Part of the culture.
Who is your next target…Tony Bennett?
I don’t know why this is even a debate, we have a large sample size and plenty of data to look at. The trajectory hasn’t drastically improved the last five years.
It really boils down to expectations. Some folks want more, others are happy with the status quo. So be it I guess.
It really boils down to expectations. Some folks want more, others are happy with the status quo. So be it I guess.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
This guy is a comedian. Thinks it's some huge enlightened point that the VCU coach in year one with a complete and total rebuild had a comparable season to Moonie's NINETEENTH season. Then if you actually stop and think about it, would we have preferred to win the A10 regular season title or gone to the A10 tournament title game? Would we have preferred to get blown out in the first round of the NIT or win a couple games there. So who really had the better season, the first year guy or the 19th year guy? Madness. Sick of the damn excuses.
