Official GW Game Thread - A10 Game # 2

[flyder19]

It's clear Mooney values the 2nd half over the 1st. If he really cared about getting out to a hot start, he would put Goose on Bishop. He's the one who can beat us, not Adams, no matter his size. Worse comes to worse, if Adams is going off, THEN you switch. Our team has been plagued by meh or bad starts all season, and Mooney chooses not to shut down their top scorer, the top scorer in the A-10, and the 7th best scorer IN THE COUNTRY. That's insane to me, and we almost lost because of that decision

 

[VT4700]

It's clear Mooney values the 2nd half over the 1st. If he really cared about getting out to a hot start, he would put Goose on Bishop. He's the one who can beat us, not Adams, no matter his size. Worse comes to worse, if Adams is going off, THEN you switch. Our team has been plagued by meh or bad starts all season, and Mooney chooses not to shut down their top scorer, the top scorer in the A-10, and the 7th best scorer IN THE COUNTRY. That's insane to me, and we almost lost because of that decision

??? So, we win by 10 and you are upset? Okay. And, why shouldn't we worry about Adams beating us when he had double figures every game coming in, including 6 with 18 or more points. We held him to 6, his only non double figure game this year, and you think we did something wrong out there?

 

[VT4700]

Interesting. I feel like we would have rather taken our chances with Adams torching us than Bishop, who is a top scorer nationally. I get what 4700 was saying above about not wanting to wear Goose out – that makes more sense than Mooney's explanation, although I would hope Goose could have defended him for the whole game regardless.

Sure, maybe he could have. And, I get what Mooney is saying here. I think as long as GW didn't get a decent lead, we were going to get it to halftime and then see which way we wanted to go. The thinking could have been Bishop might get his regardless, so let's keep Adams in check to start. Whatever the strategy, it's hard to say it didn't work out when we won by 10 and didn't have to sweat out the final few minutes.

 

[spider fan]

It really didn't make a lot of sense. Bishop was trying to get the shooting foul they give all the time in the NBA with the sweep into a shot, but she called it before the shot. That means it must have been when Tyler gently had his hand stretched out and tapped Bishop on the hip twice just before the sweep. Beyond weak as a call.

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Thanks for the video - originally thought it was after the shot because ref put her hand up then..................

 

[gospidersgo]

It's clear Mooney values the 2nd half over the 1st. If he really cared about getting out to a hot start, he would put Goose on Bishop. He's the one who can beat us, not Adams, no matter his size. Worse comes to worse, if Adams is going off, THEN you switch. Our team has been plagued by meh or bad starts all season, and Mooney chooses not to shut down their top scorer, the top scorer in the A-10, and the 7th best scorer IN THE COUNTRY. That's insane to me, and we almost lost because of that decision

This is a strange take. I'm all for ragging on Mooney when he has earned it. But we always fuss about him not making adjustments - he clearly did in this game and it paid off with a win.

Also it's quite the stretch to say we almost lost last night.

 

[Eight Legger]

I think flyder's point, which I echo, is why chance it by potentially allowing Bishop to go apeshit for a half while being defended by someone who is less likely to slow him down, when you could just put your best defender on him from the start? We won, so it's all water under the bridge, but it seems like a bit of an unnecessary risk, that's all. Maybe he wanted to challenge Nelson and see how he responded, who knows.

 

[spiderman]

I think flyder's point, which I echo, is why chance it by potentially allowing Bishop to go apeshit for a half while being defended by someone who is less likely to slow him down, when you could just put your best defender on him from the start? We won, so it's all water under the bridge, but it seems like a bit of an unnecessary risk, that's all. Maybe he wanted to challenge Nelson and see how he responded, who knows.

it's not like Adams isn't a scorer. we're arguing the point as if Adams wasn't a 17 ppg guy.
it made sense size-wise. he's also a higher percentage shooter than Bishop.

 

[97spiderfan]

This is a strange take. I'm all for ragging on Mooney when he has earned it. But we always fuss about him not making adjustments - he clearly did in this game and it paid off with a win.

Also it's quite the stretch to say we almost lost last night.

Mooney mentioned something about the size disparity and wanting Goose on Adams to start the game. I was just happy he made the adjustment when it became obvious that whatever their pregame strategy was not working.

Bigger issue for me is that Nelson couldn't guard either of those guys.

 

[97spiderfan]

It really didn't make a lot of sense. Bishop was trying to get the shooting foul they give all the time in the NBA with the sweep into a shot, but she called it before the shot. That means it must have been when Tyler gently had his hand stretched out and tapped Bishop on the hip twice just before the sweep. Beyond weak as a call.

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She must be watching the NBA, cause they call that a lot in the NBA. Embiid gets that call at least 3-4 times a game. As soon as the defender reaches their hand in, you sweep the ball and get the call. I don't really see it called in college though.

 

[8legs1dream]

??? So, we win by 10 and you are upset?

no different from you being upset about 80% of the stuff you see posted here

 

[VT4700]

I think flyder's point, which I echo, is why chance it by potentially allowing Bishop to go apeshit for a half while being defended by someone who is less likely to slow him down, when you could just put your best defender on him from the start? We won, so it's all water under the bridge, but it seems like a bit of an unnecessary risk, that's all. Maybe he wanted to challenge Nelson and see how he responded, who knows.

Adams scored 6 points last night. His previous low had been 12 this year. He was 3-13 from the floor. Why do you not think this is relevant when looking at what Bishop did?

 

[VT4700]

Mooney mentioned something about the size disparity and wanting Goose on Adams to start the game. I was just happy he made the adjustment when it became obvious that whatever their pregame strategy was not working.

Bigger issue for me is that Nelson couldn't guard either of those guys.

Bottom line is we are talking about 2 of the top scorers in the A-10 and we held them to about 7 points below their combined average. I don't care how they got them, but if you told me coming into the game that Bishop and Adams would combine for 31 points, I would take that every time. They are both shooting just under 50% from the field this year and both are over 30% from 3, but we held them to 12-35 shooting, including 1-15 from 3. As is usually the case with this board, I just don't understand the frustration here.

 

[Eight Legger]

Adams scored 6 points last night. His previous low had been 12 this year. He was 3-13 from the floor. Why do you not think this is relevant when looking at what Bishop did?

Bishop is a better player and a better scorer than Adams, that's all. He is clearly the best player GW has. He's scored 40 points TWICE this year already (!). If I am scheming how to beat GW, my plan would start with slowing down their best player, not with slowing down their second-best player. That's all I'm saying. But I'm not a head coach, either. And I'm really not trying to make a big deal out of this either way, I'm just telling you my opinion.

 

[SpiderGuy]

that was the strongest GW squad I have seen in quite some time, happy we put them away towards the end.

Totally agree. Was at the game and mentioned that to my wife at at 10 mins in first half. GW has some good pieces and looked they were coached reasonably well.

 

[GKiller]

Simplified…basically Goose shut down Adams 1st half which put him in such a mental fog he couldn’t recover rest of game. Meanwhile Bishop went off 1st half then at halftime goose told Moon “F you Jobu I do it myself!” then went out & shut down Bishop in 2nd half. That’s better than the 2 for 1 ticket sales we give out.

So in conclusion…eye test.

 

[brooklyn brownstone]

It really didn't make a lot of sense. Bishop was trying to get the shooting foul they give all the time in the NBA with the sweep into a shot, but she called it before the shot. That means it must have been when Tyler gently had his hand stretched out and tapped Bishop on the hip twice just before the sweep. Beyond weak as a call.

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So regarding the foul on Burton, I think most of you are not acknowledging that the NBA changed their rules on fouls like this to prevent guys like Harden gaming the system for free throws. These types of fouls are now side out in the NBA and if you watch the female ref who makes the call, she makes the gesture that NBA refs use (waves both hands downward to her side), that the foul is on the rip and not a shooting foul. Whether it is a foul is an entirely different thing, but the side out is the correct ruling, not fts.

Get Roche shots. I'll keep saying it, this thread and others. Agree that there were several times he was wide open in 2nd half and ball didn't get his way (most noticeably on Nelson's charge.)

Tyler is playing terrific ball. Still hope he can get a 2 minute rest in each 2nd half.

Grace interior defense needs to improve, be it in positioning or willingness to give fouls and make guys make 2 FTs or something. Felt like his guy got a decent number of easy buckets inside.

 

[RichmondNative]

Get Roche shots. I'll keep saying it, this thread and others. Agree that there were several times he was wide open in 2nd half and ball didn't get his way (most noticeably on Nelson's charge.)

Nelson has not passed out to a wide open Roche in numerous games. In this game, Nelson was swamped by the taller GW players. In other games, he has decided to take a shot versus passing it out. Definitely does not seem to look for assists.

Grace interior defense needs to improve, be it in positioning or willingness to give fouls and make guys make 2 FTs or something. Felt like his guy got a decent number of easy buckets inside.

I think Grace has been told to apply the “Grant Golden rule” (no interior fouls). In previous seasons, he would get beat, but would foul and make the opponent earn it from the line.

 

[SpiderK]

His First year was at LSU.

Bet his mother got a really good deal.