Nathan Davis
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What is the "winning" he speaks of? I just wanna see our players practice hard and compete.
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Randolph–Macon Yellow Jackets (Old Dominion Athletic Conference) (2009–2015)
2009–10 Randolph–Macon 26–7 11–5 4th NCAA Division III Final Four
2010–11 Randolph–Macon 25–5 13–3 1st NCAA Division III Second Round
2011–12 Randolph–Macon 21–7 12–4 2nd NCAA Division III First Round
2012–13 Randolph–Macon 21–10 11–5 3rd NCAA Division III Third Round
2013–14 Randolph–Macon 20–7 14–2 1st NCAA Division III First Round
2014–15 Randolph–Macon 28–3 16–0 1st NCAA Division III Elite Eight
Randolph–Macon: 141–39 (.783) 77–19 (.802)
Bucknell Bison (Patriot League) (2015–present)
2015–16 Bucknell 17–14 14–4 1st NIT First Round
2016–17 Bucknell 26–9 15–3 1st NCAA Division I First Round
2017–18 Bucknell 25–10 16–2 1st NCAA Division I First Round
2018–19 Bucknell 12–7 6–1
Bucknell: 80–40 (.667) 51–10 (.836)
Total: 221–79 (.737)
Randolph–Macon Yellow Jackets (Old Dominion Athletic Conference) (2009–2015)
2009–10 Randolph–Macon 26–7 11–5 4th NCAA Division III Final Four
2010–11 Randolph–Macon 25–5 13–3 1st NCAA Division III Second Round
2011–12 Randolph–Macon 21–7 12–4 2nd NCAA Division III First Round
2012–13 Randolph–Macon 21–10 11–5 3rd NCAA Division III Third Round
2013–14 Randolph–Macon 20–7 14–2 1st NCAA Division III First Round
2014–15 Randolph–Macon 28–3 16–0 1st NCAA Division III Elite Eight
Randolph–Macon: 141–39 (.783) 77–19 (.802)
Bucknell Bison (Patriot League) (2015–present)
2015–16 Bucknell 17–14 14–4 1st NIT First Round
2016–17 Bucknell 26–9 15–3 1st NCAA Division I First Round
2017–18 Bucknell 25–10 16–2 1st NCAA Division I First Round
2018–19 Bucknell 12–7 6–1
Bucknell: 80–40 (.667) 51–10 (.836)
Total: 221–79 (.737)
If Nathan Davis is a good recruiter then I'll take him. My biggest worry about him is that he might not have the best understanding of recruiting A10/High mid major guys because his only experience is at D3 RMC and Patriot league Bucknell. Guy knows how to win but with the state of our program right now we need someone who can bring in impact guys right away.
That is my fear as well. I don't know if he can recruit. These are all his guys this year at Bucknell, so I was waiting to see how this year played out. He did not have a good OOC results but has turned it on recently.
You can't argue that record though. That is mighty impressive. A far far better resume than Mooney had when he hired him.
I agree with the sentiment above. Our next coach needs to either be a great recruiter or hire someone on their staff that is a great recruiter. Coaching and player development is very important as well, but it is much easier to do if the coach can bring in very talented players to begin with.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be incredibly happy if Nathan Davis becomes our coach next year. He has a winning track record of success at Randolph Macon and Bucknell. I just hope that if he comes to UR, he doesn’t still recruit like he’s at Bucknell. It’ll be good enough to beat the Bonnies and Rhode Island in down years, but not good enough to win A10 championships and make consistent ncaa appearances, which is what we all want.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be incredibly happy if Nathan Davis becomes our coach next year. He has a winning track record of success at Randolph Macon and Bucknell. I just hope that if he comes to UR, he doesn’t still recruit like he’s at Bucknell. It’ll be good enough to beat the Bonnies and Rhode Island in down years, but not good enough to win A10 championships and make consistent ncaa appearances, which is what we all want.
Very valid points. Bucknell went 3-0 against the A10 this year.
how does Beilein recruit coming from Canisius?
You can really only judge a coach as a recruiter based on how he recruits relative to other teams in his league, IMO. He's not going to be recruiting at an ACC level because he's not in the ACC. If he became the head coach at Duke tomorrow, he probably wouldn't be recruiting Bucknell-level kids there.
Duke fans rightfully might wonder whether he could recruit the best kids in the nation, but that's because Duke is a big jump up from Bucknell. The A10 really isn't.
Duke fans rightfully might wonder whether he could recruit the best kids in the nation, but that's because Duke is a big jump up from Bucknell. The A10 really isn't.
It’s far more important to have a great coach than a great recruiter because great coaches can win with mediocre talent and winning is eventually the best recruiting tool.
The guys who have great systems and are great teachers and motivators are typically good enough at finding the right players for their systems to win. They teach and help these young men get better and the results show on the court, not necessarily the recruiting sites.
Look at coaches like Beilein and Bennett. Both are program builders. They come into a good program (resources, etc.) that have been down and revive them. They don’t do it by landing a top recruiting class the minute they get there. They eventually sign some great players but there rosters are far from lighting up the recruiting sites and message boards.
I don’t know enough about Davis to make this kind of decision. But his record of winning looks pretty good so far. Maybe he fits that same mold of a Beilein who is a winner no matter where he goes. If that is the case then he would be a great hire. The fact that he is from the area (born in D.C. and raised in VA), went to school in Richmond (RMC), has been successful at schools with similar characteristics to Richmond (Navy, Colgate, Bucknell), and been a winner everywhere he’s coached are all positives.
The guys who have great systems and are great teachers and motivators are typically good enough at finding the right players for their systems to win. They teach and help these young men get better and the results show on the court, not necessarily the recruiting sites.
Look at coaches like Beilein and Bennett. Both are program builders. They come into a good program (resources, etc.) that have been down and revive them. They don’t do it by landing a top recruiting class the minute they get there. They eventually sign some great players but there rosters are far from lighting up the recruiting sites and message boards.
I don’t know enough about Davis to make this kind of decision. But his record of winning looks pretty good so far. Maybe he fits that same mold of a Beilein who is a winner no matter where he goes. If that is the case then he would be a great hire. The fact that he is from the area (born in D.C. and raised in VA), went to school in Richmond (RMC), has been successful at schools with similar characteristics to Richmond (Navy, Colgate, Bucknell), and been a winner everywhere he’s coached are all positives.
Look at JB at Michigan. He was getting killed by the fans and media at first at Michigan. Now look at him. He kept winning and the recruits came.
I could get behind Nathan Davis. His record is impressive, and he has experience working at institutions that are academic peers of ours (Navy, Colgate, Bucknell who all have similar academic profiles and admissions criteria such as acceptance rate). Obviously, he would need to be able to step up recruitment of A-10 caliber talent, which he has not had to do up to this point. Our past recruiting has been VERY spotty with more recruiting "misses" than landing true A-10 caliber talent. I feel like recruiting and in-game tactical coaching (adjusting to game conditions) have been the Achilles heel of our program since CM came to town.
I would also support the hiring of Jason Williford, Wes Miller, Hubert Davis, or Dino. Heck, at this very point in time, I would take ANYONE other than Mooney to finish out this season. Then we could make a more calculated decision on our next permanent coach.
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I would also support the hiring of Jason Williford, Wes Miller, Hubert Davis, or Dino. Heck, at this very point in time, I would take ANYONE other than Mooney to finish out this season. Then we could make a more calculated decision on our next permanent coach.
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Nathan Davis is actually my preferred option of the names floated thus far. I realize that it my come across as the 'easiest thing to do' and 'predictable' given Davis and Hardt's connection but i like his experience and resume the most.
I completely agree with Vol's post above. I want someone with a command of X and O and some versatility with game planning. We have a lot to sell here at Richmond. Unfortunately, we've just had an awful sales team.
I completely agree with Vol's post above. I want someone with a command of X and O and some versatility with game planning. We have a lot to sell here at Richmond. Unfortunately, we've just had an awful sales team.
Nathan Davis during Bucknell intro press conference: "First and foremost our style will be to win. We're going to be versatile. We're going to do whatever we feel is best each particular year to get the most out of the players. We're going to be a tough, hard nosed defensive team. We're going to contest every shot, at any place on the floor. Offensively, we want to keep pressure on you. We don't want to give you a chance to set up your defense. We don't want you to give you a break -- we want to make you defend every pass, every cut. We want to share the ball, and we want to have balance, both inside and out."
OK, you guys are selling me on Nathan Davis. I have been a fan from day one, but do fall for the "sexy" up and coming choice.
Again, I am not a proponent of the guy that has only been an assistant. Take a look at our last hot name of a Tony Bennett assistant Ron Sanchez. Only in year one, I'll give him that - but just shows not the easiest fix. I am a believer in the saying about how far the distance is from the AC to the HC seat. I really like Hubert Davis, in fact played against him in 6th grade in the Fairfax County Travel league (this is where I peaked in my hoops career). But just no proof that he can take the next step. Wes Miller tried to implement the Carolina Way at UNC-G, and took a couple years to realize that he couldn't implement that, but found his way. That is the type of experience I want. Not the current assistant to Tony bennett or Roy Williams.
I do like Nathan Davis. Sign me up. I endorse the #NewTriumvirate of Davis, PQ, Hardt. Let's do it!!
Again, I am not a proponent of the guy that has only been an assistant. Take a look at our last hot name of a Tony Bennett assistant Ron Sanchez. Only in year one, I'll give him that - but just shows not the easiest fix. I am a believer in the saying about how far the distance is from the AC to the HC seat. I really like Hubert Davis, in fact played against him in 6th grade in the Fairfax County Travel league (this is where I peaked in my hoops career). But just no proof that he can take the next step. Wes Miller tried to implement the Carolina Way at UNC-G, and took a couple years to realize that he couldn't implement that, but found his way. That is the type of experience I want. Not the current assistant to Tony bennett or Roy Williams.
I do like Nathan Davis. Sign me up. I endorse the #NewTriumvirate of Davis, PQ, Hardt. Let's do it!!
It's more of a #Quadvirate because you can actually harness the FMM horsepower in a positive way too.
Yes, the FMM should always have a seat at the table as the acknowledged forward thinkers for Richmond basketball. This is not a pat on my back, I was hanging on as a semi-truther for a while. I was not on the early council of FMM, I give those guys credit.
23, we probably played against each other back in the day in one sport or another. Tommy Amaker was my coach at the Red Jenkins basketball camp.
Don't give up on Hubert. Not every first time head coach is going to be Bill Dooley. I just saw a mutual friend from Burke and he thought it was a great idea, and would love having Hubert here in Richmond....then he remembered he went to George Mason and suddenly thought it was a terrible idea. FWIW.
Good story. Ultimately whoever we hire will have some risk, as the future coach will be moving up conferences or coming from a different set of circumstances.
I moved from Springfield after 6th grade. I do remember going to a h.s game that year and watching Tommy Amaker (for Woodson maybe?) play against W. Springfield.
I moved from Springfield after 6th grade. I do remember going to a h.s game that year and watching Tommy Amaker (for Woodson maybe?) play against W. Springfield.
Yeah - Amaker played for Woodson. He kinda got "recruited" there in that his mom worked for Fairfax County so he could go to their pick of schools, and Jenkins was kind of a legend back then.
sorry for the hijack
sorry for the hijack
Bucknell
2016-17 RPI: 68 (lost by 6 to WVU in ncaa 1st rd) Beat Richmond 73-68
2017-18 RPI: 86 (lost by 4 to Mich St in ncaa 1st rd) Beat Richmond 86-78
Lost 3 starters from last years NCAA team.
As of 1/24/19:
NET Ranking - 167th
RPI - 111th
Kenpom - 147th
2016-17 RPI: 68 (lost by 6 to WVU in ncaa 1st rd) Beat Richmond 73-68
2017-18 RPI: 86 (lost by 4 to Mich St in ncaa 1st rd) Beat Richmond 86-78
Lost 3 starters from last years NCAA team.
As of 1/24/19:
NET Ranking - 167th
RPI - 111th
Kenpom - 147th
Played hs ball against Greg Williams from Woodson. No Amaker but Williams went on to U of Florida and had solid career. Most everyone knew Red Jenkins he was a coaching legend. I'm partial to Don McCool though.
Nathan Smith isn't my top choice but I realize he'll be up there and for good reason, and I'd get behind him as coach for sure. His credentials are there. 1 drawback is he hasn't had to rebuild a team. Basically kept Bucknell and RMC motoring along really well. But any coach will have some perceived drawback.
I've said this before but I just want to see a national search. There are too many out there not to do a legitimate search. If you land on Nathan Smith ok. But I mean look at Jim Miller and McKillop. If Miller fought harder and really tried harder on McKillop could have got him. Got to go after it. Call up Hubert Davis and Chris Fleming. Think a little outside the box and at least make an attempt. No reason those 2 are not contacted imo. With the way the Nets are killing it and him & Atkinson so respected in NBA circles Fleming will probably have decent shot at NBA head job but who knows what he's thinking. And then you have ALL these other legit D1 coaches in same realm as Smith to at least consider....Grant, Miller, Becker, Odom, Richey, Kelsey, Jones.
& I just hope Hardt uses someone to help him. If just does a cursory search and with Smith as the guy all along it will just validate some thoughts I have on Hardt. That this is kind of a retirement gig for him, the golden parachute given by friend PQ, lets him live near his UR daughter, a real coaching search would be too much work. Seems to not get involved in any football matters either. I mean he's not even fundraising well right? How is he gonna sell the next UR coach. Probably realize he won't have to....just sit on his jabba throne like normal and could call up Nathan. That's my worry.
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Gkiller, I agree with a lot of your sentiment. Davis is definitely the easy search for Jabba.
I am worried that if that falls through, how motivated is this guy. All outward appearances and standard wording "COMPETE for championships" etc does not give me a ton of confidence. I like your thoughts about thinking outside the box. I do think we need to reach out and give a hard sell to some of the guys that I am writing off as not interested (like Nate Oats). I do like reaching out to Chris Fleming - he worked his way up as a HEAD coach in Germany pro leagues and excelled and has the rep as an advanced offensive coach. Lots of guys out there and we really need to have an AD that will aggressively pursue all angles.
I am worried that if that falls through, how motivated is this guy. All outward appearances and standard wording "COMPETE for championships" etc does not give me a ton of confidence. I like your thoughts about thinking outside the box. I do think we need to reach out and give a hard sell to some of the guys that I am writing off as not interested (like Nate Oats). I do like reaching out to Chris Fleming - he worked his way up as a HEAD coach in Germany pro leagues and excelled and has the rep as an advanced offensive coach. Lots of guys out there and we really need to have an AD that will aggressively pursue all angles.
Exactly. Oats would be my #1 but trying to be realistic. Think he has P6 all over him now so I've written off. It would take $$$ $$$ $$$. But at least worth an effort, like you said be aggressive and pursue many angles. It's too important a decision for the program. Fleming would also bring that international pipeline we've lacked for most part.
I'm pretty sure about one thing.....if we hire Hubert, we will be shooting enough threes to make VT4700 happy.
In that case I should be considered one of the most forward thinkers then. I was one of the the first people to see that there was something wrong with Mooney as our head coach back towards the end of the 2013-2014 season. It took most fans on here a lot longer than that to realize the problem we have here.
I was arguably the earliest adopter of not being a fan of Mooney. I didn't like him from the beginning, though I admittedly became more of a fan during the Anderson years.
And hopefully making a good percentage. I do like the 3 ball. It is such a weapon, and nearly every team is taking advantage of it. So, you better have shooters and you better shoot the 3.
71 teams are making 9 or more 3s a game. 157 make 8 or more. As recent as 5 seasons ago, only 8 teams averaged 9 or more and only 35 averaged 8 or more. And, I like Hubert Davis.
Hubert is #2 all-time in the NBA at 3 pt %. Obviously that doesn't guarantee he can recruit shooters and/or coach them up.
#1 is Steve Kerr. His teams seem to do OK from 3.
#1 in NCAA is Tony Bennett. His teams....also OK.
#1 is Steve Kerr. His teams seem to do OK from 3.
#1 in NCAA is Tony Bennett. His teams....also OK.
For all you NoVA homies, I lived in Springfield (Springfield Estates on Bowie Dr.) before the Mall was there. I also lived in Burke before Burke Center when there was just an elementary school, a post office, a fire hall, and a 7-11 in an ancient gas station building just west of the railroad crossing.
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We would gear up for youth football in the attic of that old fire house.
So....how does one get "made" into the FMM?
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I'm not sure how one gets "made" into the FMM. I'm not sure I'm "officially" in the FMM, although I have been part of the Fire Mooney movement on this board since 2015-16 or so. Two things really soured me on CM around that time:
1.) His refusal to play Zach Chu during mop up time in a couple of big blowouts during Chu's senior year.
2.) One incident during that same time frame when I was sitting in the Access Craver's Section as a guest of a VIP, very close behind the bench. Terry Allen made a steal and then threw a bad pass. CM immediately yanked him, and as TA walked towards his seat, Mooney said loud enough for many to hear, "You are a f***ing embarrassment!".
Those two things and just the general complacency and entitlement vibe I was getting from CM really began to annoy me. The last two seasons on-court performance has sealed the deal.
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