tell me contract discussions ongoing between Hardt, Mooney, PQ and 80's fan as we type.
More to come.
More to come.
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Don't any of you worry (whether you be FireMooney guys, Truther Nation, or somewhere in between), I am pushing for essentially a CFL contract. "Coach for Life". Not 3 , not 4, but we are going to blow Miller out of the water and go 11 years total with this contract. Just wait and see the terms. And yes, or maybe NO, we are not going to insist on any minimum levels of accomplishment - but rather we are going to use Mooney's verbiage: We are kindly requesting that he Not Be a Jerk.
I am giddy, as GALLIOOpoli says: Future is Bright.
I am giddy, as GALLIOOpoli says: Future is Bright.
I think with two years on contract left and first winning season in three, I would have waited till after
next year to extend. He should have another strong year based on team coming back, but two years
of good recruiting and great performance would be a better justification of extension vs one incomplete
year(NCAA?). I am pulling for Coach Mooney and the team, but also trying to be pragmatic.
next year to extend. He should have another strong year based on team coming back, but two years
of good recruiting and great performance would be a better justification of extension vs one incomplete
year(NCAA?). I am pulling for Coach Mooney and the team, but also trying to be pragmatic.
I think there’s a lot of politics that go into these things and also have to keep recruiting in mind. We are thinking (obviously) that the next recruiting class will be big with 5 spots open from our starters. A recruit will be a lot more wary coming into a HUGE incoming class if the coach only has one year left on his deal as opposed to 3-4. That’s a big commitment to make and I know player to coach relationships are huge.
Not claiming to know anything here but is what my thought process is right now
Golden needs to grow up. He won't be here after next year so what does he care as to how long Mooney's contract is? After all the unproductive years, they want to extend his contract because MAYBE we were in this year?
If we go back losing ways after next year, I will still say FIRE MOONEY. If on the other hand Mooney reloads and continues to take us to the NCAA tournament, I say great, keep him on. We still haven't gone to the tournament in 9 years; there was no guarantee we were in this year...
In 30 years when he is an alumni, I wonder how Golden will feel about Richmond basketball if the current coach is unsuccessful year after year after year.
If we go back losing ways after next year, I will still say FIRE MOONEY. If on the other hand Mooney reloads and continues to take us to the NCAA tournament, I say great, keep him on. We still haven't gone to the tournament in 9 years; there was no guarantee we were in this year...
In 30 years when he is an alumni, I wonder how Golden will feel about Richmond basketball if the current coach is unsuccessful year after year after year.
I don’t think Grant is the one that needs to grow up here
Hey, I'm not planning on growing up until they plant me. I'm all in on 10 or 11 more years of mr. Mediocre. I can deal with it and I do have hope that he will actually become mr. Well above average. Let's go 2021 recruiting and transfer class. Maybe you can exceed greatest class ever and match other classes that went 1+ times to NCAA.
CM's his coach, and Grant supports him. why the heck would you criticize a player for that? because he doesn't feel the same way as you?
I love Golden. One of the greatest centers we have ever had, would be welcome by most teams in the power conferences, but is a loyal Spider. Golden is going to help lead us to potentially the best season U of R has ever had and probably our 1st preseason top 25 ranking. Also glad to see he sticks up for his coach, he is a class act.
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Nope, just the opposite. He called some of the school's most loyal fans "haters"....just because we aren't in lock step with his feelings. I get it. His history with Mooney is 3 years. Mine is 15. I'm sick of the implication that just because Mooney turned it around this year, that my point of view wasn't justified.
I feel the same. Having and meeting expectations is a thing. Makes me feel like an old fuddy duddy as I start to think about what these youngsters expect to find in the future.
Big time class act who loves his coach, loves his teammates, and loves his school. And, who is one heck of a player. We are lucky to have him.
Employees are rewarded for their contribution to achieving organizational goals. If "competing" is the goal, he deserves an extension because, absent this past stellar season, that is about all we have done for nearly a decade.
I want CM to succeed, but his record of mediocrity over 15 years would make any prudent manager wary of anything other than a short term extension. Show us last season and the one to come are not flashes in the pan, then we can talk long term employment security.
Under his leadership we've been here before only to drift into basketball oblivion.
I want CM to succeed, but his record of mediocrity over 15 years would make any prudent manager wary of anything other than a short term extension. Show us last season and the one to come are not flashes in the pan, then we can talk long term employment security.
Under his leadership we've been here before only to drift into basketball oblivion.
Agree with the last two posts quite a bit. If moon were to be rewarded with an extension, and our program was to be successful in making the ncaa say 3 times in next 6 years it would be huge upset over Mooney's predeliction to coast the last several seasons It would actually give average people everywhere great hope.
I felt the same way before his very first extension came up, the one before the 10 year deal. With no Ncaas or even NIT on his resume he got the extension and the next two years were the best of his tenure(not including this year which could of been on par). Not saying next two years will be great or what to expect going forward.
Extend 2 years--make a buyout really low. Gets him through the next class if that's the concern...
Calling some of your team's most loyal fans, "haters" is not a good look. Professional athletes get hammered on a regular basis when they say something about their teams fans and most end up apologizing.
I would imagine every school has social media guidelines for its players, I can't imagine Grant's post is inline with those guidelines. Someone with our athletic department should be talking with Grant about this and he should be told to take it down.
I would imagine every school has social media guidelines for its players, I can't imagine Grant's post is inline with those guidelines. Someone with our athletic department should be talking with Grant about this and he should be told to take it down.
As for Mooney, if Hardt wants to give him another year, fine go ahead and do it. Any long term extension should come after next year though, once we see if he is able to deliver an NCAA bid, with his best class ever, 5 seniors class. Plus, we will see at least on paper, who is he able to recruit to fill their shoes.
Those 2 things should give Hardt much better perspective on whether Mooney is our long term answer.
Those 2 things should give Hardt much better perspective on whether Mooney is our long term answer.
I think players take the criticism of Mooney very personally. FMMers can say all they want about how they support the team but not the coach, but if a player believes in Mooney and knows the criticism is due to our failure to dance then they place the blame on themselves. TJ and Grant and the others who've spoken up about Mooney didn't reach the level of success everyone wants. that's hard.
I'm sure they do take it personally. Have no problem with TJ and graduated players taking whatever stances they want. Have a huge issue with players currently in the programs taking stances like this, particularly when they call their own fans "haters" in a public forum. What possible good is going to come of this?
That post had nothing to do with supporting Mooney and everything to do with attacking Mooney's critics. Big difference.
Players have got to stay above that fray, that is social media 101. If someone can find me another post from a D-1 players attacking some of their own fanbase as "haters", please share it up here. I doubt you find many if any because if a player does that his coach or someone within the Athletic Department is having them take it down pronto.
He was refering to the billboard. if they're so loyal, come out of the shadows and publicly be named. # Cowards
I hope it never comes down. He is showing something that is rare in college basketball these days...PLAYER LOYALTY.
So if you're feelings are hurt, boo him next year.
Am l hearing this correctly... Are some of you actually criticizing a member of the team for calling you "haters" because you continually rip his coach and even went to the astonishing length of embarrassing him and our program with a public billboard visible to motorists on one of the busiest interstates in the nation?
That's what I am seeing Plant.
Our fan base is made of the equally detestable, what I call FMM guys.
And the equally detestable what I call "Truthers" that love mooniocrity more than Richmond Spiders basketball itself.
While both are detestable, scum of the earth fans - at least the FMM guys actually are loyal to the school and program - not just the suit.
man, you have some bizarre takes.
so people who disagree with you must not be loyal to the school and program?
This thread is pretty embarrassing to our program. I pray no potential recruits read any of this
no no no no, just saying that a certain segment seems to really value Mooney over the success of the program.
I am praying for Covid-19 to be defeated by science, vigilance, and common sense.
spoke to Mooney once in my life and it was unremarkable. my feelings about him as coach aren't personal. but I actually think Mooney is a good coach and I love where our roster is right now. I think if we have a good really class, it can be sustainable.
I met Mooney once. After storming the court when we beat VCU my freshman year. Ran up to him and shook his hand. Was nice and didn’t freak out that a drunk kid was running towards him. Memorable interaction for me though
I tend to agree on all accounts. Actually same experience with Mooney - met him once, maybe even twice after a game. I do think he may be a good coach too - and it seems like he was hindered by admin impact on recruiting. But not sure why PQ didn't help him last 5 years? Agree - if 2021 class is very good, could have a nice run. I do not like all freshman in that class, would love to have some sit one transfers but no space unless we have a transfer.
So, I am on the record as not a Mooney guy. But I have no no problem with Grant's post. Further, Earning your players respect and loyalty is a good trait to look for in a coach and it would be certainly be a blemish if he didn't have that. A player stepping up to voice that support is admirable from his personal perspective. As for calling some fans (perhaps including me?) haters - - I think he could have probably avoided that but I also am not terribly offended by it (even if it did include me!). He's a loyal guy who probably felt bad for his coach being under the gun etc. and let's be clear, any number of us called for his firing which I am sure looks like a hater to supporters.
I think there is possibly another factor at work here in Grant's thinking and his desire to affirmatively show his support. Grant went through a serious medical situation as a very young member of the team. While we don't know much about that situation and how CM handled it etc., there is every reason to think the Coach probably was a huge support and possibly almost parental figure to Grant as he went through that. Accordingly, Grant thinks of him even more protectively than just his coach because, in effect, he IS more than just a coach to Grant! So, his stepping up and repaying loyalty etc. is a sign of a mature, in touch, appreciative and more mature young man than perhaps the one that arrived on campus as a freshman. So, that is even more reason I commend rather than condemn Grant for his stance. We often attack the coach - - - Grant was likely defending the man!
I think there is possibly another factor at work here in Grant's thinking and his desire to affirmatively show his support. Grant went through a serious medical situation as a very young member of the team. While we don't know much about that situation and how CM handled it etc., there is every reason to think the Coach probably was a huge support and possibly almost parental figure to Grant as he went through that. Accordingly, Grant thinks of him even more protectively than just his coach because, in effect, he IS more than just a coach to Grant! So, his stepping up and repaying loyalty etc. is a sign of a mature, in touch, appreciative and more mature young man than perhaps the one that arrived on campus as a freshman. So, that is even more reason I commend rather than condemn Grant for his stance. We often attack the coach - - - Grant was likely defending the man!
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