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It is very impressive how good you are at quickly doing research and presenting facts.
Sure hope 4700, sman and crew get back soon from their holiday hiatus. 80s fan must be getting lonely on Mooney Island.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...
I think Mooney is a very good offensive coach, and a poor defensive coach. I don’t really like his in game management. I appreciate and value the loyalty and family culture that he has fostered—that’s not nothing or worthless. But like many, many others, I think it is past time for a new voice and direction.
he’s not a terrible, horrible coach. He’s pretty good, fine, decent, etc. But I would like us to strive for better, and believe we can do better. I think we would be an attractive destination for a coach.
all that said, I still have hope for this year, and will support until there are no games left. I think the reactionary posts about how the team is terrible and guys are entitled or lazy or whatever are so absurd and delusional. You have to be completely rage blind to not see how much these guys care and want to go to the tournament.
he’s not a terrible, horrible coach. He’s pretty good, fine, decent, etc. But I would like us to strive for better, and believe we can do better. I think we would be an attractive destination for a coach.
all that said, I still have hope for this year, and will support until there are no games left. I think the reactionary posts about how the team is terrible and guys are entitled or lazy or whatever are so absurd and delusional. You have to be completely rage blind to not see how much these guys care and want to go to the tournament.
Mooney should not get an extension, but the question is who will make that decision.
It seems to me that to date the only reason CM is still coaching is because a ridiculous contract was made (10 yr term) and no one took any accountability for it. I guess from a fiscal perspective it was “covered” and so the powers that be were OK with just letting it go. In addition, there was Instability in the AD’s office and a lack of overall vision for Sports at UR.
The only way anything changes is if the new President thinks something should happen because he is the only new piece in the equation. It could also occur if the outside forces of conference realignment cause a change, but I know that isn’t a popular consideration. All I know is to be a winner you have to be all in and currently UR isn’t.
It seems to me that to date the only reason CM is still coaching is because a ridiculous contract was made (10 yr term) and no one took any accountability for it. I guess from a fiscal perspective it was “covered” and so the powers that be were OK with just letting it go. In addition, there was Instability in the AD’s office and a lack of overall vision for Sports at UR.
The only way anything changes is if the new President thinks something should happen because he is the only new piece in the equation. It could also occur if the outside forces of conference realignment cause a change, but I know that isn’t a popular consideration. All I know is to be a winner you have to be all in and currently UR isn’t.
Was there really a time when we thought Mooney might be poached by other teams? Where are they now?
NC State could be convinced to take him. Their fans were begging for it a few weeks ago.
Probably our best hope is that Mitch Henderson takes Princeton to a Sweet 16 and gets some bigger offer he can't refuse. He's in his ninth year there and has finished worse than third only one time (and has sent 10 players to the pro ranks). Seems to be important to them to hire a former player as their coach, so Mooney could be a good option.
Probably our best hope is that Mitch Henderson takes Princeton to a Sweet 16 and gets some bigger offer he can't refuse. He's in his ninth year there and has finished worse than third only one time (and has sent 10 players to the pro ranks). Seems to be important to them to hire a former player as their coach, so Mooney could be a good option.
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Agree with many of your thoughts kneepad, Mooney is not bad, and is very much more focused, or maybe just more competent on offense than defense. We have a huge sample size as to Mooney's abilities and shortcomings. Queally, Hardt and the admin have determined this is just fine. I think many of us have seen what a Tarrant or Beilein can do and want more from our hoops program.
I'm not saying guys are entitled or have packed it in, but I do think there is a huge mental barrier to overcome for guys that have come back for 5th and 6 years. They have experienced so much failure under Mooney, and so many collapses. And now hitting a critical juncture following that start to A10 play. Mooney just does not seem like that type of leader to pull the team through.
I'm not saying guys are entitled or have packed it in, but I do think there is a huge mental barrier to overcome for guys that have come back for 5th and 6 years. They have experienced so much failure under Mooney, and so many collapses. And now hitting a critical juncture following that start to A10 play. Mooney just does not seem like that type of leader to pull the team through.
I knew debating SF about public data would not go well.
Another key area that Mooney has failed at is recruiting, roster management. 20 guys and not one legit shooting guard, and severe lack of depth inside besides Golden. We made St. Joe's center look like a chin masked Wilt Chamberlin. Cayo has not played up to his last year level, but he is a bit undersized and again, Mooney was apparently putting all his eggs in one basket. The complete lack of players that can guard the interior is amazing. And just imagine this team with a Darien Brothers at 2 guard. Good young prospects in zay and Dji. But even with a healthy Goose between those 3 not a legit three point threat and consistent scorer between them. And no we all knew that Crabtree and Sherod can not guard that position for extended periods. When Blake decided not to come back, he should have been looking for a transfer to fill that spot. Failure.
Mooney is a good guy, but bad coach. The game has passed him by.
I have given Mooney credit many times through the years for being able to retain his job repetitively even though his performance demands his termination. That demonstrates a level of skill, some would call it a bullshit artist, others a master manipulator. But, the fact is that he continues to be able to snow enough people like you who have never played the game competitively, that he keeps his job. The situation (his performance nor the BS) will not change in the foreseeable future. It is Mooney's choice.
What I don't understand is why Mooney hasn't figured out is that success for him lies in the commentator business. All agree that Mooney presents well with his looks, that he is articulate (though a bit full of it), and that he has enough sense of the game to be someone that others might find entertaining. He has coaching experience, and the networks would be clamoring to book him for as much as he wants, all at a good rate of pay.
The money would not approach what he has taken from Richmond, but he is already a multimillionaire, so money shouldn't be a major concern. He would work less, have no critics, and his "run around in circles" (safe) talk would be non-controversial, and garner much praise from those who don't know the difference.
Mooney and Richmond would be wise to negotiate a deal that would pay him some money, but would also get him off of the hot seat and into a cushy part-time retirement where he would have it made. When he finally figures this out, he will discover that his new career is right up his alley. Seth Greenberg Mooney.
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Coach Mooney is a good coach. He is our third best all-time coach, behind Tarrant and Beilein. We have been fortunate to have very good coaches. I think he likes his senior players too much and that he is not as critical of them as he should be. If you do not coach, manage and push people towards high performance, they will fail. That failure is on the leaders, starting with Coach Mooney.
Long Island Spiders I enjoy reading your post. There are a lot of games to play this season and our final record will be a major factor determining if he get's and extension. I think he get's it if we make either the NCAA or NIT. Obviously, I have no say in the matter, just my opinion on what decision the administration will make.
like the U of R admin & coaching staff we have a few posters who love to move the goalposts. I’m old enough to remember all the top25 predictions from UR80sfan.
over promise under deliver
big hat no cattle
it’s the Richmond way.
over promise under deliver
big hat no cattle
it’s the Richmond way.
I’m pretty sure Hardt told us four years ago that CM would basically need to make the tournament. I suspect he granted him a reprieve the 24-7 year but it hasn’t happened otherwise. So I’m not sure why missing this year is any more likely to change Hardts direction.
Your comment makes no sense since all I am doing is predicting what the administration is going to do. BTW, 3 years ago I predicted Mooney would not be fired and he would get a contract extension, which is what happened. Most people on this board post what they want to happen, but don't explain logically why the administration will make a decision. In stead of making emotional comments if what I say does not match what you want to happen, you should use my comments to argue your case.
And 80s you claimed to be on close terms with PQ, so obviously you knew that he strong armed an interim AD in to an extension. Not quite nostradamus.
My math, like most everything else, has faded over the years, so I may be waaay off. But isn't 4.5% of $3,350,000,000 something like $150 million? Please mathheads correct me if I'm wrong....
I know Paul and like him, but would not say I am on close terms with him. I also know a number of other trustee and hear about the things they are focused on. Basketball is not their top priority, although a number of them that live locally are season ticket holders.
Perhaps you could influence them to care more?
Yep, give or take. $127 million was appropriated for spending from the endowment last year. It's nearly 40% of the overall university budget, more than they get from tuition.
We don’t want PQ or his money or fancy buildings anymore. We just want common sense and accountability. Is that to much to ask?
For you Mooney apologist…if you believe your position, The University should adopt it as a marketing effort. “Come to Richmond and over pay for mediocre results”
Will the real Paul Q please step forward and take accountability of our athletics.
You did not get your millions by being stupid. All we want as Spider fan and alumni is to WIN.
You did not get your millions by being stupid. All we want as Spider fan and alumni is to WIN.
Not sure what they are focusing on. Richmond is not going to be an Ivy League school any time soon. Hell, we are only 4th in the state behind, W&L, UVA and W&M and barely above Va Tech. Maybe they should start focusing on basketball.
Mooney probably could have bought himself another year if all of the seniors wouldn't have come back. Could have played the inexperience card.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
You underestimate Mooney's weasel skills, next year will be when he pulls the inexperience card!
They are focused on things like increasing diversity on campus, dealing with student protests, renaming building, improving all major areas of study, keeping the faculty happy, helping all students get internships that want one, prioritizing new building projects, enhancing the quality of the campus, continue the policy of need blind based admission, Covid 19, increasing applications for the school. helping student get jobs their senior year, raising money and the list goes on and on.
BTW, I have edited my original post to be slightly more negative. Mooney needs to turn the ship around or he is not getting an extension.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
It may come as a surprise to you that every other college and university is focused on these things as well but most of them are able to accomplish these goals while achieving success in athletics more often than once a decade
It was in response to a question, what is the board of trustees focused on that is a higher priority than basketball.
If we are incapable of paying attention to the athletics department -- on which we are spending millions of dollars a year -- we have a big problem.
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