Malcolm Bernard *sad trombone*
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in today's game if you don't hit threes you don't get to the basket. Unless you're 6'10" plus
Fore is going to be one of the main guys next year in terms of minutes. We can count on Cline & S. Jones for production. Spiders will need Fore to produce.
Fair enough. So if the lineup is : SDJ, Fore, Cline, and Wood. It'll be interesting to see who the 5th person is. Probably DMB/Bernard/Sherod
I would agree with this. I don't think MW is a natural 4, some have argued otherwise, I just don't see him having much of a low post game. I actually think that Grant is going to get a lot of time, I've called for that elsewhere. No real insight, just feels like that fills the need we have.
This could change with the addition of Malcolm or some other strong SF/PF type player.
Concur. The hilarity of this would be if Mooney – after basically refusing to play Wood more than a few minutes here and there for the first half of last year when it was clear that he was capable of giving us a lot of instant offense – now suddenly locks him in as a starter just because he's a senior.
I credit Mooney with eventually playing him enough last year that we saw what he is: a three-point shooter who can get hot, is an ok rebounder at times, not a great defender and not really capable of scoring consistently inside the three-point line. He isn't a starter for me at this point.
I credit Mooney with eventually playing him enough last year that we saw what he is: a three-point shooter who can get hot, is an ok rebounder at times, not a great defender and not really capable of scoring consistently inside the three-point line. He isn't a starter for me at this point.
lol. Eight, the board here was freaking out that Marshall was the answer and that CM was too stubborn to see it. CM knew what Marshall was. he sees him every day. Marshall is valuable but not a cure-all. he'll have a roll. maybe as a full year starter, maybe not.
but I can see it already. as soon as some guy hits 2 shots in a row off the bench the board will start clamoring for that guys to start. even if he's not ready. and CM will be too stubborn or locked into seniority to adjust. smh.
but I can see it already. as soon as some guy hits 2 shots in a row off the bench the board will start clamoring for that guys to start. even if he's not ready. and CM will be too stubborn or locked into seniority to adjust. smh.
My bet is that your point will be proven. I see Mooney starting Wood come hell or high water (just like Taylor & Davis) exactly for the reasons that you state. I think that we can put money on the fact that he will start and he will play large minutes (at least until 1/2 way through season) because Mooney will see him as experienced and more safe. Whether he produces enough to justify the minutes remains to be seen.
I want to see a lot of Buckingham, Sherod, and Golden. Get them in the mix early and often to get them growing. Live with the pain of inconsistency early on, it will pay off later.
Wood despite his flaws was better than Deion. That is why we were screaming for him to start. We knew he wasn't "the answer" but was better than the option we were running out there. Big difference in what this board was asking for.
Wood scored more because he shot more. the other stats don't show that he was all that clearly a superior player. Taylor is stronger inside, and arguable better defensively. he converted a very high % of his shots. I know you hate that he didn't shoot more, but not shooting gave more shots to Terry, TJ and SDJ which is where I want the shots. and no, I don't believe that people laying off Deion caused undo hardship on those 3. they still managed to score just fine.
I think if you had put Marshall into the same position defensively as Deion, or switched them, you would have a higher opinion of MW's defense and a lower opinion of Deion's defense. This is likely what will happen this year.
MW may not have been "the answer" last year, but it was painfully obvious that he was better than DT. When MW shot, the crowd didn't cringe and audibly groan because there was a chance of it going in. Opponents guarded MW, they Did Not guard DT. Are all the other coaches idiots or did they watch video and have 4 years experience of seeing the sidewinder brick?? I was always stunned opponents didn't hack the heck out of DT and TD every time they touched the ball in the second half. DT did win a lot of jump balls and probably lead the nation in "Almost Blocks".
Wood played more than DT last year. DT was not on the court for his offense and Wood was not on the court for his defense. Also, if you are going to bash DT and TD for their free throw shooting you have to bash Wood as well, he only shot 52% from the line.
We better see a lot of them or we will probably be seeing them on the transfer list.
When Deion (or Trey) had the ball it was an instant double team for one of our scorers, so I think it defies logic to say that it didn't cause them undue hardship. Go ask Terry Allen, if we would rather be guarded by one player or two and see what he says.
We've discussed this a lot, I think it's entirely possible that those guys would have scored even more without the double teams they got. I understand the logic that there are a limited number of possessions and that we don't want to trade a high-percentage shot by one guy for a lower percentage shot by another guy, but there are advantages to having that extra guy who can be a perimeter threat out there, namely making it easier for TJ/TA/whoever is inside to score and frankly, not making them work as hard to do so. Fighting through double-teams is hard work, increases our turnover chances, and results in guys who are more tired on the defensive end.
is this the same Marshall Wood who was 13-45 from 3PTFG after the GW game and was 2-13 in his last 4? Just checking.
If you throw out his two best games (Fordham #1 and GW#1) he was 44-124, a torrid 35%
If you throw out his two best games (Fordham #1 and GW#1) he was 44-124, a torrid 35%
This is the kind of transfer that has a high probability of success. He is mature enough to only do as much as makes the team better, and no more.
I'm hoping this is the year Richmond's offensive efficiency is top 25 in the country. I've been waiting, you've all been waiting. The Spides now have 6 guards that can play 3 spots, with two decent shooting bigs. The 3pt% needs to be high as a team, and the guards need to create contact and hit FTs. Duh, right? Well, Mooney's finally on the hot seat IMO. This needs to be a 20 win season.
I'm hoping this is the year Richmond's offensive efficiency is top 25 in the country. I've been waiting, you've all been waiting. The Spides now have 6 guards that can play 3 spots, with two decent shooting bigs. The 3pt% needs to be high as a team, and the guards need to create contact and hit FTs. Duh, right? Well, Mooney's finally on the hot seat IMO. This needs to be a 20 win season.
I would say that TJ, TA, SDJ had no choice but to score all the points. There was no other option. I credit those three young men's incredible offensive skills for being able to score when everyone in the building knew they had to. I was fine with TD at all times because he contributed in many ways. DT did very little on either end of the floor, no doubt due to injury. Looking forward to a 5 on 5 game again.
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Do you think our 2pt and 3pt shooting pctgs may have been higher with better shooters on the floor? I dont think anyone is questioning our efficiency.
Our 3pt percentage could have been higher, but having an appreciably higher 2pt percentage would be extremely difficult. I think TA and TJ being double teamed would have a much bigger impact on their 2pt shooting than their 3pt shooting. If having better shooters on the floor led us to making one more 2pt basket per game in the same number of shots we would have made 58.1% of our 2s last season. Only 3 teams have accomplished that in the last decade. I think it is pretty bold to suggest we should have scored at such a rate, even with better players.
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I'm not trying to fight the numbers, it could be that there's very little chance we would average one more bucket a game. Logically, it stands to reason that we would I think.
What was our offensive efficiency during conference play? I suspect it was significantly lower than during OOC play.
better outside shooters on the floor with TA and TJ may have opened things up a little, but TA and TJ would get less shots if the other guys were taking more shots. that's hard to argue against. we're not getting more possessions. so if you think TA and TJ would have scored more, then they'd have to shoot a higher percentage and they were already very efficient.
When you have to play against double teams, work extra hard to get open because 2 guys on your team are essentially unguarded, how much energy do you left to expend on the defensive end?
I think our defense sucked for a number of reasons but certainly Terry, TJ, and SDJ knowing they had to score on offense, 3 on 5 a lot of the time, probably had some carry over effect on how much effort/energy they had to expend on playing defense.
Efficiency stats are great and all, but they are one STATISTIC, that does not show the overall impact and flow to a game. Terry and SDJ were worn down at the end of the year, that was clear, (TJ on the other hand played like his hair was on fire at the end of the year), I think the burden of not just a ton of minutes but a ton of really hard minutes took the toll on them as the season wore on.
Playing 3 on 5 on offense puts a lot of stress and effort on those 3 players.
I think our defense sucked for a number of reasons but certainly Terry, TJ, and SDJ knowing they had to score on offense, 3 on 5 a lot of the time, probably had some carry over effect on how much effort/energy they had to expend on playing defense.
Efficiency stats are great and all, but they are one STATISTIC, that does not show the overall impact and flow to a game. Terry and SDJ were worn down at the end of the year, that was clear, (TJ on the other hand played like his hair was on fire at the end of the year), I think the burden of not just a ton of minutes but a ton of really hard minutes took the toll on them as the season wore on.
Playing 3 on 5 on offense puts a lot of stress and effort on those 3 players.
this isn't like a nose tackle being double teamed and beat on all game. the double would come after they got the ball. if the double got to them before they shot, they passed the ball out to the open man and the possession continued.
I think you really overestimate the amount and physicality of the double teaming. I don't think taking 12 shots a game is a burden to any basketball player. that's a dream. they want the ball.
I think you really overestimate the amount and physicality of the double teaming. I don't think taking 12 shots a game is a burden to any basketball player. that's a dream. they want the ball.
Yeah, they passed the ball back out and then had to work their butts off to get back open and try to get open again.
I do like the verbal gymnastics a few of you go to explain how playing 3 on 5 on offense is actually a good thing or at the very least not a bad thing.
I don't see how anyone could logically argue that the offensive deficiency of our starting lineup didn't have an impact at times in the game. This could definitely take the form of greater effort on the part of the big 3 last year as 97 notes. I am generally a subscriber to the statistical analysis btw, but it seems pretty clear to me that other teams scouted us pretty easily and did make it at times a very unbalanced game.
you're both killing me! I should just give up. but now you're saying the TA and TJ had to try too hard? like they should have been able to rest more on offense if they had better teammates? jeez.
I know it's illogical to you, but we averaged 76 ppg. you somehow think that if we replaced Deion's 4 ppg and Trey's 5 ppg with guys averaging 10 ppg each, that not only would we increase our scoring by 11 ppg, but that TA and TJ would also improve their scoring because they're not being double teamed?
so now we're scoring over 90 ppg. ok, I'm in. sign me up. that would be fun.
I know it's illogical to you, but we averaged 76 ppg. you somehow think that if we replaced Deion's 4 ppg and Trey's 5 ppg with guys averaging 10 ppg each, that not only would we increase our scoring by 11 ppg, but that TA and TJ would also improve their scoring because they're not being double teamed?
so now we're scoring over 90 ppg. ok, I'm in. sign me up. that would be fun.
I don't think I'm suggesting we significantly increase our offensive output. You are misunderstanding my point, and I think maybe 97s point, but he can speak for himself. My points are:
1. You will expend less effort when you are not double teamed
2. You have fewer turnovers when you are not double teamed
3. You will probably score (slightly) more when you are not double teamed
Why is that such a crazy concept? If you took it out of context of our UR-specific scenario, would you debate those points?
We're pretty far afield from where this started, which is whether or not Marshall is a lock to start. I don't think MW is a lock to start because he isn't a proven low post scorer.
1. You will expend less effort when you are not double teamed
2. You have fewer turnovers when you are not double teamed
3. You will probably score (slightly) more when you are not double teamed
Why is that such a crazy concept? If you took it out of context of our UR-specific scenario, would you debate those points?
We're pretty far afield from where this started, which is whether or not Marshall is a lock to start. I don't think MW is a lock to start because he isn't a proven low post scorer.
I just didn't see TJ doubled as much as you seem to think he was, and never without the ball so he wasn't expending extra energy there. when doubled with the ball, he either shot before the double got there or passed out. again, no extra effort. he was never doubled at 3 point range. what little doubling there was came inside, and yet he shot close to 60% from 2 point range.
of course I'd like all 5 on the floor to be scorers ... and great defenders. we had some flaws with our personnel. hopefully the incoming talent and the returning guys work better together. but unless there's no difference, unless all of our players are equally skilled offensively, I do want our best offensive guys taking the majority of the shots. the Bulls didn't want Rodman and Longley taking a ton of shots away from Jordan and Pippen to make it easier for them.
of course I'd like all 5 on the floor to be scorers ... and great defenders. we had some flaws with our personnel. hopefully the incoming talent and the returning guys work better together. but unless there's no difference, unless all of our players are equally skilled offensively, I do want our best offensive guys taking the majority of the shots. the Bulls didn't want Rodman and Longley taking a ton of shots away from Jordan and Pippen to make it easier for them.
Ha, when we get Jordan and Pippen on our team, I'll be content to let them play 2-on-5 all the time. Throw in a Rodman who will get every rebound and have 20 a game? Yes please. If Taylor had been able to get 15 rebounds a night but done nothing else, that would have been great. But he wasn't anywhere near that type of player.
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