Liberty to FBS

[FrontRoyalSpider]

I am thinking that since Wake Forest is no longer a Baptist school, there are those who would want to esponge any vestage of the school's Baptist past....the church Deacon.

 

[iSpider]

I am thinking that since Wake Forest is no longer a Baptist school, there are those who would want to expunge any vestige of the school's Baptist past.

FIFY
I think that Wake's approach was much more of a 20th-21st century enlightenment approach as was ours at UR (which Wake seems to have modeled their change upon). Certainly neither university is ashamed of their Baptist heritage, nor should they be. It is a proud heritage and many of that faith live exemplary lives. Most of us embrace our Baptist roots as a positive part of our history. But for Baptist support when we needed it, we might not exist today.

That said, I think Wake wants to be more open and broad-minded, inclusive, if you will, not limited by the views of one particular religious movement, regardless of its popularity, embracing all forms of religious expression, including, without limitation, those who are Baptists or of other Protestant faiths as well as the full gamut of others, including the non-Abrahamic religions, and those who do are agnostics, atheists or secular humanists, even Unitarians. The people who brought about the changes at UR and Wake related to religious control will tell you the same. In fact, many Baptists will tell you the same.

As for the "demon deacon" as a mascot, deacon carries with it a positive connotation to all. The "demon" part, to me at least, when associated with "deacon" suggests a characteristic trait of the unsuppressable human competitive spirit, especially with respect to sports. It also suggests competing in an fair and worthy manner.

To assume that Wake has for some ill-begotten reason separated itself from its Baptist heritage is just not true. Your belief suggests that the change is a result of disdain by Wake for its association with a particular religion. Such a belief is not reality based, but rather based upon fear of change and your words constitute the subsequent defense of what you perceive as a threat to the safe world you knew growing up and along the way to reaching the mature age of 63.

I hope you understand that I am not putting you down by what I say because that is not my intention. A lot of people fall into the trap of denigrating positive events because of their fear of the event being a threat to their personal comfort and security. On the contrary, I am the first to admit that not all change is by definition good. However, tell how we make progress without change.

I am trying to avoid an epistemological or psychological argument, though it may be pleonastic or tautological, a characteristic of my responses to which I have received a fair amount of criticism. Bottom line: I believe, like most others, that Wake's change has had a positive impact on their growth and success and they can remain consistent with their ideals with the Demon Deacon as their mascot.

 

[FrontRoyalSpider]

FIFY
I think that Wake's approach was much more of a 20th-21st century enlightenment approach as was ours at UR (which Wake seems to have modeled their change upon). Certainly neither university is ashamed of their Baptist heritage, nor should they be. It is a proud heritage and many of that faith live exemplary lives. Most of us embrace our Baptist roots as a positive part of our history. But for Baptist support when we needed it, we might not exist today.

That said, I think Wake wants to be more open and broad-minded, inclusive, if you will, not limited by the views of one particular religious movement, regardless of its popularity, embracing all forms of religious expression, including, without limitation, those who are Baptists or of other Protestant faiths as well as the full gamut of others, including the non-Abrahamic religions, and those who do are agnostics, atheists or secular humanists, even Unitarians. The people who brought about the changes at UR and Wake related to religious control will tell you the same. In fact, many Baptists will tell you the same.

As for the "demon deacon" as a mascot, deacon carries with it a positive connotation to all. The "demon" part, to me at least, when associated with "deacon" suggests a characteristic trait of the unsuppressable human competitive spirit, especially with respect to sports. It also suggests competing in an fair and worthy manner.

To assume that Wake has for some ill-begotten reason separated itself from its Baptist heritage is just not true. Your belief suggests that the change is a result of disdain by Wake for its association with a particular religion. Such a belief is not reality based, but rather based upon fear of change and your words constitute the subsequent defense of what you perceive as a threat to the safe world you knew growing up and along the way to reaching the mature age of 63.

I hope you understand that I am not putting you down by what I say because that is not my intention. A lot of people fall into the trap of denigrating positive events because of their fear of the event being a threat to their personal comfort and security. On the contrary, I am the first to admit that not all change is by definition good. However, tell how we make progress without change.

I am trying to avoid an epistemological or psychological argument, though it may be pleonastic or tautological, a characteristic of my responses to which I have received a fair amount of criticism. Bottom line: I believe, like most others, that Wake's change has had a positive impact on their growth and success and they can remain consistent with their ideals with the Demon Deacon as their mascot.

Excrllent points!

 

[FrontRoyalSpider]

Once conference games begin, I wonder how LU will fill out the test of its schedule?