Ivy League just cancelled winter sports season
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If Boeheim does transfer to Cuse, I'll give it 50/50 odds that the top 100 player he knocks off the roster transfers to URI
per verbal commits, Cuse kept a spot open for 2021. I'm guessing Coach saw the writing on the wall about the Ivy shutting down and left a spot for Jimmy.If Boeheim does transfer to Cuse, I'll give it 50/50 odds that the top 100 player he knocks off the roster transfers to URI
The biggest problem with COVID is that everyone seems to want things to be perfectly normal again. Who wouldn't want that? But they aren't and can't be right now. It sucks. But getting angry about things is not going to change anything. If we open things back up completely and let 100,000 people into college football games, a lot of people will die needlessly from COVID. If we shut everything down for a few months, a lot of other people will die needlessly from suicide.
Why can't we just understand that there are no perfect options here? Society cannot function in peak form right now no matter which way we choose – it just can't. Are we just that impatient as a society at this point? I guess so.
Just to update my last post, my wife’s friend is on her way to the ER with her husband who tested positive for covid on Friday and is having increased trouble breathing. But this must all be a myth, right? Some liberal conspiracy. The same idiots who said that Democrats just wanted to shut things down to hurt Trump, yet now are afraid they’ll shut things down when Biden takes over. Which is it? Do they want to shut things down to defeat Trump or to get the pandemic under control? Can’t have it both ways.
hospitalizations are at an all time high. I lean right but I don't understand covid-deniers.
Don't try to inject logic into the illogical.
Questioning the efficacy of mask mandates or shutting down events and large swaths of "normal life" does not make one a "covid-denier."
Especially considering we've been operating under those restrictions for 8 months now, and there are still over 200,000 dead who have tested positive for COVID.
The majority of those who have suffered directly from this virus have been compliant with the restrictions, or they had no say in the matter (such as nursing home residents).
Especially considering we've been operating under those restrictions for 8 months now, and there are still over 200,000 dead who have tested positive for COVID.
The majority of those who have suffered directly from this virus have been compliant with the restrictions, or they had no say in the matter (such as nursing home residents).
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I wish people were as patient as I am. I hope I survive until the vaccine is distributed.
is that a fact or a guess?
that's something I've been wondering ... the percentage of people catching it that have been wearing masks and doing the best they can to minimize risk vs those who aren't taking as much precaution.
The data supports that statement. Cuomo himself admitted his astonishment that well over 60% of cases in NY (after the initial wave) were people that were staying at home, isolating as much as possible, and wearing masks.
I agree with Dave.
That said, and back to the subject at hand, Colleges and Universities need to decide what is best for them (like Dave say).
Colleges and universities have a tremendous amount of exposure right now. What is the risk/reward of allowing fans or even playing the games? Ticket Revenue = Non-existent ; TV revenue = down ; NCAA revenue share = down ; Risk of lawsuit = high ; Risk of negative press for COVID outbreak = enormous.
Personally, i think this season is DOA. Rick Pitino might have the right idea but it's hard to see how the situation is any better in 60 or 90 days than it is now. Also hard for me to believe that college basketball players are going to be anywhere close to the first recipients of the vaccine.
OT - portnoy & UR’s Todd McShay grew up together and r close friends. McShay used to do stuff in the early stages of Barstool before McShay espn gig took off.
I think you misread that a bit. The cases of people getting it at home were largely from allowing sick people into their homes or retired citizens not being careful enough when they left their home. As the article below states “He says the new data reaffirms precautionary measures for personal safety and public health, including wearing a mask, using hand sanitizer and making sure the vulnerable stay at home. He also said people should be careful who they let in their house.”
I think you misread that a bit. The cases of people getting it at home were largely from allowing sick people into their homes or retired citizens not being careful enough when they left their home. As the article below states “He says the new data reaffirms precautionary measures for personal safety and public health, including wearing a mask, using hand sanitizer and making sure the vulnerable stay at home. He also said people should be careful who they let in their house.”
More recent data from CDC, with very different spins depending on whether you go to a liberal or conservative news site:
Fact check: Digging into Trump's false claim that CDC found that 85% of people who wear masks get the coronavirus | CNN Politics
President Donald Trump made a dramatic claim about Covid-19 in an interview, at a campaign rally and in his televised town hall on NBC Thursday night.
The study also found that, of the 154 participants who tested positive, a total of 85% said they had worn a mask either "always" (70.6%) or "often" (14.4%) over the 14 days prior to the onset of their illness. Of the 160 people who had tested negative, conversely, a total of 88.7% said they had worn a mask either "always" (74.2%) or "often" (14.5%).
CDC: 85% of Virus Patients Reported Wearing Masks ‘Always’ or ‘Often’
A CDC study found that using cloth face coverings or masks is mostly ineffective in preventing the spread of coronavirus.
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The data still supports that statement.
I am sorry about your colleague. Although it doesn't seem like you thought much of him, since you "guess" he didn't wear a mask like the "soft morons." (your words)
Also, I hope your wife's friend's husband feels better and recovers soon. Since "all the hospital beds are full" in your county, I pray that he was able to get access to the care he needed.
Everywhere I go, I see 99% compliance. My colleague who still has to travel extensively for work reports the same. The math simply does not support the narrative that non-mask-wearers have "kept this going."
Besides, one way or another, we're getting to 1-(1/R0).
Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.
I am sorry about your colleague. Although it doesn't seem like you thought much of him, since you "guess" he didn't wear a mask like the "soft morons." (your words)
Also, I hope your wife's friend's husband feels better and recovers soon. Since "all the hospital beds are full" in your county, I pray that he was able to get access to the care he needed.
Everywhere I go, I see 99% compliance. My colleague who still has to travel extensively for work reports the same. The math simply does not support the narrative that non-mask-wearers have "kept this going."
Besides, one way or another, we're getting to 1-(1/R0).
Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.
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COVID won’t end the day of the inauguration but I have a thought of when it will end. Biden has talked about a mandatory 2 week lockdown when he gets in office and I believe that he will use that lockdown as the reason cOViD goes away. I don’t believe cOViD is a hoax as some people do but I do think it is vastly overblown and it is way past time to start trying to get back to normal. The government also shouldn’t be able to tell us to wear masks or anything else similar to that. If you don’t want to wear one you shouldn’t have to. I will say I do wear masks for the most part just out of courtesy but if given the option I will not wear one.
Most people wear masks at grocery stores and retail places like that. But how many are wearing them in their own houses when family or friends come over? There seems to be a thought that if you’re related to someone, you can’t give them the virus or catch it from them. Restaurants obviously are the source of many cases, too.
In general, I think most people are doing the right thing when they have to, but not 100% of the time. I’ve had a few repair guys in my house the past few months. They all wear masks when they get here but almost every single one of them has taken it off for awhile later and I had to ask them to put them back on.
Anyway, it’s impossible to kill the virus off without a vaccine, and of course you can still get it even if you do everything right. But doing everything right all the time makes it a lot less likely that you’ll get it or spread it. And it prevents the healthcare system from being totally overwhelmed. And then we can have a college basketball season.
In general, I think most people are doing the right thing when they have to, but not 100% of the time. I’ve had a few repair guys in my house the past few months. They all wear masks when they get here but almost every single one of them has taken it off for awhile later and I had to ask them to put them back on.
Anyway, it’s impossible to kill the virus off without a vaccine, and of course you can still get it even if you do everything right. But doing everything right all the time makes it a lot less likely that you’ll get it or spread it. And it prevents the healthcare system from being totally overwhelmed. And then we can have a college basketball season.
Chop, if you live in Virginia as I do, you do have large compliance with mask wearing. This is why Virginia is one of about 5 states that is not in uncontrolled spread mode. Go up to South Dakota or North Dakota where mask wearing is much less prevalent and a mask mandate has not been issued and these two states are currently #1 and #3 in the entire world for positivity right now.
It is really a shame that wearing a mask has been politicized. It is literally the number 1 thing we can do to control the spread of this disease. Countries where mask wearing is very high (like a lot of South Asia) have had the virus much more under control than we do. People in those countries have learned from past pandemics that wearing a mask is critical to controlling a virus such as this.
And if you want to look at it on a micro scale. The White House has now been the source of not 1 but 2 super spreader events. Literally, what should be the most secure and safe place in the country, can't control this virus because the President has so politicized the number 1 public health tool we have at our disposal now and often shames people for wearing masks. Shocking that he came down with COVID, I know.
And no the virus isn't going away on January 20, I do like how that before the election that magic date was the day after the election and now that has changed because obviously the virus hasn't gone away.
The virus will go away when we have a vaccine in enough people's arm to get herd immunity. Our lives will go back to a more normal status next year because of both the vaccine and because our country will have leadership that make control of COVID a priority, because obviously the current strategy of just opening things up, a mask is imposing on my personal freedom that some adhere, well that strategy has failed miserably.
seemed crazy at the time when everything shut down in March with only maybe 100 cases total in a few places like NY and that nursing home in Seattle. schools went remote, non-essential workers stayed home. my town was a ghost town and the few people allowed in the grocery stores at a time all wore masks. we crossed the street to the opposite side if anyone was coming our way. and it stayed like that for months. and this still spread. from 100 cases total to 160,000 per day now. shutting down again in January? I can see it happening but it won't stop this. we already tried when there were few cases.
put me in the camp that believes a change in leadership itself will have no effect on the spread of covid. the vaccine is the only answer. and we're surprising close to approval. I thought it would take much longer. production and distribution will take some time, but this can be under control by next fall.
put me in the camp that believes a change in leadership itself will have no effect on the spread of covid. the vaccine is the only answer. and we're surprising close to approval. I thought it would take much longer. production and distribution will take some time, but this can be under control by next fall.
I agree. A change in leadership is probably not going to do but so much, mainly because the current leadership has pissed in the pool so much that their followers believe what they believe.
The lockdown in the Spring was because we didn't know anything about this virus, now we do now how to take proper mitigation strategies. Another lockdown isn't going to happen because it is overkill, but selective closing of places like indoor dining probably is going to happen if numbers keep going trending in the direction they do. A vaccine is the only way we get back to normal and it looks like we have 2 great options ready to roll. Just going to take time to mass produce and distribute them. Hoping for next summer things to be largely back to normal, but maybe I'm just being optimistic.
K, I would make a bet with you that this is not the case. But not sure how we would ever set the parameters on it. I actually think we are going to be hearing more about COVID after January 20 because Biden is going to make it a priority to get it under control, whereas Trump has basically ceded the fight.
As it pertains to this board, all I want is for us to be able to have a season, for this group of seniors who have been through so much adversity, to have their chance to shine. It is sad they will have to do that in front of empty stadiums, but it will be even sadder if they don't even get the chance.
05 or Fan 1 are going to come forward with a lecture soon to take it off topic. In the meantime, the inmates are running the jail.
Seriously. That guy F'd things up for the whole sports world. We should send him an invoice for the $19 million we were going to pocket over the next 6 years for winning 3 games in the NCAAs. Screw him.
A vaccine does not kill off the virus, it accelerates herd immunity.
The only pandemic-level virus the human race has ever "killed off" is smallpox. The rest we've learned to live with.
I do live in Virginia. My colleague I mentioned is based on the West Coast and travels throughout the country (and overseas) and has been to the Dakotas, and has made similar observations. He's a data engineer, he's more of a numbers guy than I am.
I agree that it's a shame that mask-wearing has been politicized; however, you seem to be politicizing masks with your comments above. I don't think this is a political issue. I will say that the 1% non-compliance I've observed here in the area has typically been at Wawa or the grocery store, and it has not been people one would immediately assume are Trump supporters......I'll leave it at that.
Re: South Asia, lots of interesting stuff out of Japan (no mask mandates, schools open) but I will save that for off topic. They have simply done the math better than our leaders have. They "followed the science".....we have not.
I don't think this virus is ever going to "go away."
Also, we have never.....EVER......stopped a pandemic virus. You can do whatever you want to interrupt the sequence ("flatten the curve") but it's going to resume until it reaches the suppression level. To paraphrase you on another thread...."virus gonna virus."
It's ridiculous for you to suggest the current strategy is just "opening things up" - have you been to a sporting event in the last 8 months? Concert? Movies? Nice restaurant with friends? Are your kids in school 5 days a week?
spiderman nailed it....we shut all that **** down, and we still have over 200K dead to show for it. And the answer is just to do it more?
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I agree there is some relationship between the virus and basketball, but lets try to keep the priority on basketball
Of note, we did not “shut it down” universally. There were massive disparities in lockdown handling, duration and inspection/measurement by state. That’s a failing recipe. Complex systems of which a pandemic qualifies are not controllable once they achieve critical mass. We badly botched the opportunity to control the event through a complete lack of coordinated response. This is why you don’t politicize public health emergencies.A vaccine does not kill off the virus, it accelerates herd immunity.
The only pandemic-level virus the human race has ever "killed off" is smallpox. The rest we've learned to live with.
I do live in Virginia. My colleague I mentioned is based on the West Coast and travels throughout the country (and overseas) and has been to the Dakotas, and has made similar observations. He's a data engineer, he's more of a numbers guy than I am.
I agree that it's a shame that mask-wearing has been politicized; however, you seem to be politicizing masks with your comments above. I don't think this is a political issue. I will say that the 1% non-compliance I've observed here in the area has typically been at Wawa or the grocery store, and it has not been people one would immediately assume are Trump supporters......I'll leave it at that.
Re: South Asia, lots of interesting stuff out of Japan (no mask mandates, schools open) but I will save that for off topic. They have simply done the math better than our leaders have. They "followed the science".....we have not.
I don't think this virus is ever going to "go away."
Also, we have never.....EVER......stopped a pandemic virus. You can do whatever you want to interrupt the sequence ("flatten the curve") but it's going to resume until it reaches the suppression level. To paraphrase you on another thread...."virus gonna virus."
It's ridiculous for you to suggest the current strategy is just "opening things up" - have you been to a sporting event in the last 8 months? Concert? Movies? Nice restaurant with friends? Are your kids in school 5 days a week?
spiderman nailed it....we shut all that **** down, and we still have over 200K dead to show for it. And the answer is just to do it more?
To think 05 once removed the hilarious Joe Biden NIT reveal yet it’s ok for everyone else to go off the rails on politics & covid almost daily. I’ve forgiven u 05 we all make mistakes ha.
No fans have attended an NBA or NCAA basketball game since March. The strategy has not been "just open everything."
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Correct, and by comparison the strategy was not just close everything. Putting aside whether it would be tolerated or not, that’s how you handle a complex system. The response has to be early and draconian.
My colleague was known for saying that he didn’t think we should shut down for the pandemic, so I’m guessing he wasn’t opting to wear a mask religiously. I feel bad for his family because I think they were duped by listening to bad information. My wife’s friend lives in Lancaster, which is two counties away from mine. Not sure how their hospital beds are doing. My wife teaches high school. They just sent 100 kids home yesterday because a kid who tested positive for covid decided to come to school. She also has two conservatives in her department that take off their masks in the work room around other people because they think this pandemic is overhyped. Do most people play by the rules? Yes. But the percentage who don’t is still significant. Never mind the fact that a decent number can’t seem to keep a mask from falling under their nose. Regardless, my initial point was about the fact that you can’t compare this to the flu. And since you appear to doubt the issue of hospital beds filling up, our county council just held a press conference warning about that fact. You can read about the issue here if you like.
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Be patient... really? This has gone on for 8 months now and will likely continue in some capacity for the up coming years. In March when they cancelled the NcAA tourney did any of you think it would still be around to possibly cancel the 2021 tourney?
I'm not denying that there is a virus going around but the evidence does show that it...
1. has a far lower death rate than originally thought,
2. it doesn't affect healthy, young people nearly as much as they previously thought, almost nothing
3. they have identified those who are at most risk of fatality (elderly, underlying morbidity).
The risk has been calculated. Also, we have shutdown, masked all of society, closed schools, put the fear of death in our children and everyone else, and the virus is still spreading. When do we recognize that we are attempting to do the impossible to the great peril of our society. There are risks everywhere, there has always been illness all around us that could kill us. The elderly and those with underlying morbidity are always at the highest risk and could die of many illnesses that a healthy person would hardly be affected by. If we charted the cases and deaths caused by the flu, pneumonia and all other infectious illness in years past that would have frightened the hell out of everyone as well. But we didn't because we had the common sense to know that we couldn't attempt to stop them and still function as a society.
IMO hysteria ran rampant from the start, which is understandable given they didn't know much about the illness, but now rational thinking needs to prevail.
Handling this rationally would be...
1. as with all other illnesses, high risk individuals need to take serious caution. Identifying those individuals, who then need to take responsibility for their safety.
2. know that stopping this is not happening, accepting that some things are not completely in our control.
3. trying to function as normally as possible as a society in spite of the risks we face because if we continue to go to these measures to try to protect all of society from possible illness, we are not going to function and people (kids especially) will go insane.
Lastly, if we continue to be so stupid as to let the news media dictate the narrative related to covid19 and everything else, we don't stand a chance. Their goal is not to help society but rather cause as much panic and chaos as possible to increase viewership.
I agree the virus is having a huge effect on college basketball. The odds of actually playing this season are very low and will have no fans if they do. Kids are and will be entering the transfer portal to get out of states, leagues, and schools that don’t want to play. These kids have a short athletic shelf life and they know it.
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