Its Official : Rocco has gone to Delaware

[GKiller]

Let's give him a chance to speak, at least. I don't recall Scott being introduced as head coach at the same time London announced he was going to UVA. It takes a few days.

Exactly. And mortal lock we're not hiring a Rocco asst coach. Mortal lock. Garrett has only been here a year too. We're not giving him the keys to the Caddy. The seats may be worn in some places but it's a still a Caddy in the FCS. The worry about losing lot of players and recruits is always a wrong initial overreaction with coaching changes. Some recruits will flip yes of course, but it's recoverable.

 

[Spidermaniac]

Agree. Lot of KG bashing here, myself included, but there was probably more to this story than revealed to date. Rocco did a great job here but we've been great before and we will be great again. Crucial hire coming up. Ours is a very attractive position in fcs circles. Great university with great campus and academics. The new coach will have a lot of tools to use in selling to recruits. Also cupboard is by no means bare. We'll be just fine.

It remains to be seen how bare the cupboard will be....nothing would surprise me both coach and player wise...........

Of course they are. That was one of the main issues for Danny leaving - - - they wouldn't pay his guys. Why would they stay id UD is going to give them big pay bumps. The problem here is that the AD (and perhaps others in admin) REALLY are NOT COMMITTED to football. Danny speaks the truth when that's what he says. we'd love to keep winning at this level etc. but we are not committed to and will be perfectly fine moving down after a few years of not being able to compete etc.

We didn't lose a coach today - - - we lost FSC football for all intents and purposes. The decision wasn't about the coach - - it was about the future of football at UR - - just as Danny said. Danny refused to preside over the inevitable (and desired) slide. Next stop - - Patriot League - - Book it. Unless the backlash is so strong that that's worthless and people (donors) won't support that, that we just drop football.

Well put............

 

[Spiders10]

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Is it even remotely possible that Garrett was hired in anticipation of this?

 

[Spiders10]

 

[Eight Legger]

Is it even remotely possible that Garrett was hired in anticipation of this?

No.

"Hey John, come work for me – I hate my AD and am probably outta there after another year, but it would be a great head coaching job for you to take after I jump ship!"

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

No.

"Hey John, come work for me – I hate my AD and am probably outta there after another year, but it would be a great head coaching job for you to take after I jump ship!"

OK, thanks. I was admittedly ignorant of the circumstances of his hire. I thought possibly Gill had a hand bringing him in.

 

[KWeaver]

I really have no love lost for DR -- I am more of a basketball fan, truth be told. But, I hate that he is clowning our university, and I hate that our university was clowning him. His departure, as far as I am concerned, is the sign of someone with mediocre character. While his own ego was clearly dinged (clobbered? annihilated?) along the way, the way he handled everything the past few weeks was complete crap. The whole "My program" thing rings louder than ever with the way that many more are affected here beyond himself as a result of his actions. While I can't blame him for wanting to leave, I find him to be a classless individual.

And UR... This is one more notch indicating to me our descent into mediocrity as well. We have a miserable strategic plan, and there are just a lot of things going on there, for a long time, that make me shake my head. It is an institutional problem. I am not yet ready to blame Crutcher, as he has only been there for 1.5 years, but it is about to turn the corner and be HIS problem. I do think the BOT is playing their violins while UR burns at this point.

Finally, we have a half-rate AD. The guy was a 4 year letter winner on Duke's football team. Now, they sucked at that point, and he barely played. He should have more knowledge about how to run a football team. I wonder if that's the problem, right there. He thinks he knows more than Rocco, and therefore, didn't see eye to eye. Hard to argue with Rocco's results, though, even though Rocco the man is mediocre.

 

[97spiderfan]

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Truth.

 

[I-M-UR]

Exactly. And mortal lock we're not hiring a Rocco asst coach. Mortal lock. Garrett has only been here a year too. We're not giving him the keys to the Caddy. The seats may be worn in some places but it's a still a Caddy in the FCS. The worry about losing lot of players and recruits is always a wrong initial overreaction with coaching changes. Some recruits will flip yes of course, but it's recoverable.

Normally I agree this time, because of the way it happened and what it was about (commitment to football) I'm not so sure we won't lose recruits. Secondly how fast is Gill going to be able to hire a coach (he does work from home, right?), and who knows what type of person he would hire...... nice guy no substance.... just like him. Did I hear that quote right... he's just considering hiring a firm to help with the search? Don't most ADs always have a list of candidates ready just in case? He has no relationship with the alumni wonder what kind of relationship he has with his peers, if any?

 

[Spider_Byte]

Hire Will Healy! Give him a cupboard full of players!

0-11 in his first season... Rough...

 

[4EVRFB]

And the commits are starting to re-open their recruiting, officially and unofficially. Why would they want to come to a program where the staff is leaving for a lateral role. No matter what Gill said today (which was a lot of blah blah blah) it's clear UR administration doesn't have an answer when asked about specifics regarding vision and confusion commitment. Sounded like words with no substance, which makes a hard sell for potential athletes and their families.

 

[Spiderprovider]

Well then at least tell me that Legg will be gone with him.

I hear almost the whole staff is going except Legg

 

[Spiderprovider]

The whole staff is going for more money which was one of the issues. This has been going on since last year , when we lost our defensive coordinator to JMU. They didn't try to keep him and he left for 30k more a year. Now another CAA school has taken our entire staff. The AD is either incompetent or he wanted this to happen and we are content being a CAA/Patriot also ran. The AD had no football experience and has been the worse hire in years!! Well except Cooper. I hope Dr. Crutch steps up to his role and gets rid of the real problem or his new fundraiser is DOA.

 

[SpiderK]

And the commits are starting to re-open their recruiting, officially and unofficially. Why would they want to come to a program where the staff is leaving for a lateral role. No matter what Gill said today (which was a lot of blah blah blah) it's clear UR administration doesn't have an answer when asked about specifics regarding vision and confusion commitment. Sounded like words with no substance, which makes a hard sell for potential athletes and their families.

What kills me is that the players forget it is the coaches that are leaving and breaking their commitment to them. The coaches are abandoning these kids for more money. The school, the academic degree and the fans are still here for them.

 

[SpiderRick]

Major setback for us. I feel for the kids on the team. Like Phillyspider said earlier, there is a big stigma that will attach to this. To lose a good coach to a rival conference team, well that just sends a horrible message. Maybe this has been coming for some time, but to me it just feels like it dropped out of nowhere.

Maybe we'll get lucky and find a coach who doesn't mind administration problems, but I doubt it. I don't know about Crutcher, but Gill is a do nothing fix nothing invisible man. Let's see if we can get ANY decent work out of him while he telecommutes. And I don't care if the next coach is white black green yellow or red, but he better be someone who qualifies based on his merit versus a "politically correct in the interest of diversity" empty shirt.

And my worst nightmare is that the only coach that stays is Legg......

 

[PhillySpider]

What kills me is that the players forget it is the coaches that are leaving and breaking their commitment to them. The coaches are abandoning these kids for more money. The school, the academic degree and the fans are still here for them.

Don't for one second think that the kids don't feel betrayed - - - by the school and not Danny. The school that wouldn't make a commitment that measures up to the one they make. I can all but guarantee there is not a single player who "blames" Danny but many, many who will blame the AD, Pres., school, admin etc.

 

[4EVRFB]

What kills me is that the players forget it is the coaches that are leaving and breaking their commitment to them. The coaches are abandoning these kids for more money. The school, the academic degree and the fans are still here for them.

Just like in an office job, a lot of what keeps you coming back is the people you work with and for, not necessarily the Company. While UR remains a wonderful university for many reasons, it doesn't seem very intising for a football player/commit that has spent months in conversation with/or playing for the very staff that is leaving. There's just too much negativity floating around (true or not) about the support for football. If the staff doesn't see it, how will we convince the players and recruits? And am I right that the recruiting dead period starts soon and signing day is 2/1? This is bad for recruits and bad for our recruiting. It's a mess.

And the Asst. coaches apparently are underpaid in comparison to their FCS counterparts, yet far more successful (except for Legg).

 

[SpiderK]

Don't for one second think that the kids don't feel betrayed - - - by the school and not Danny. The school that wouldn't make a commitment that measures up to the one they make. I can all but guarantee there is not a single player who "blames" Danny but many, many who will blame the AD, Pres., school, admin etc.

Yep, and they won't understand until they own their own business.

 

[KWeaver]

Yep, and they won't understand until they own their own business.

I actually agree with this. When the emotion goes away and people can look at this dispassionately, and the players become "adults," I think they may look at this otherwise... I remember stuff like this happening when I was younger that I look at differently now...

 

[GKiller]

right and on the way out the door he walked back hard on his "vision" comment and was pretty unequivocal that the school supports football. Now that may have been bs, but then let's drop this line about Rocco being such a straight shooter. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Spiders10]

These coaches come and go, but the fanbase will always be here. He didn't want to be here. Ok. Well, there's the door. I do think he exposed some things on his way out the door that can be helpful as we move forward. Don't say F it and withdraw support. Now that we know what we know there is an opportunity to hold the Admin's ass to the fire to 1) ensure that a great coach is hired, and 2) support continues to accelerate and substantial work is done to get those big ticket items (locker room, weight room, etc).

 

[SpiderCoastie]

These coaches come and go, but the fanbase will always be here. He didn't want to be here. Ok. Well, there's the door. I do think he exposed some things on his way out the door that can be helpful as we move forward. Don't say F it and withdraw support. Now that we know what we know there is an opportunity to hold the Admin's ass to the fire to 1) ensure that a great coach is hired, and 2) support continues to accelerate and substantial work is done to get those big ticket items (locker room, weight room, etc).

And here is the path forward! It's on us now as the fanbase to ensure the Athletic Dept moves forward with improving our weaknesses.

 

[mojo-spider]

These coaches come and go, but the fanbase will always be here. He didn't want to be here. Ok. Well, there's the door. I do think he exposed some things on his way out the door that can be helpful as we move forward. Don't say F it and withdraw support. Now that we know what we know there is an opportunity to hold the Admin's ass to the fire to 1) ensure that a great coach is hired, and 2) support continues to accelerate and substantial work is done to get those big ticket items (locker room, weight room, etc).

10 I agree...have already contacted AD Gill and Dr. Crutcher...where can I get the e-mail addresses for the Board of Trustees?...believe they need to hear from the alums and fans as well...

could not find the e-mail addresses on the University website...

thanks...

Go Spiders!

 

[PASpider]

Why would a good coach come here? If they see that we lost a coach to an in conference team they have to know that our administration is a joke and wouldn't support them either. Also do you even trust Gill to hire a good coach after how he just handled this mess? I don't trust him and don't know why anyone would.

Because we won a national championship before Rocco. Obviously you can win here. We don't know the whole story, but I don't remember other UR football coaches whining like he did.

 

[I-M-UR]

right and on the way out the door he walked back hard on his "vision" comment and was pretty unequivocal that the school supports football. Now that may have been bs, but then let's drop this line about Rocco being such a straight shooter. Can't have it both ways.

What? the school hasn't been straight about this at all, he was trying to repair the damage be polite ( he could have slammed). Not1 told us some of the problems and that's where the problems are.....promises not met.

 

[I-M-UR]

These coaches come and go, but the fanbase will always be here. He didn't want to be here. Ok. Well, there's the door. I do think he exposed some things on his way out the door that can be helpful as we move forward. Don't say F it and withdraw support. Now that we know what we know there is an opportunity to hold the Admin's ass to the fire to 1) ensure that a great coach is hired, and 2) support continues to accelerate and substantial work is done to get those big ticket items (locker room, weight room, etc).

Explain to me how you hold..... to the fire. Write emails? letters? What? It's working so well with Basketball how or why do you think it will work with football.

 

[Floridaspiderfan]

When you don't like working for some one who constantly gets in your way ypu get fustrated and one looks for reasons to leave thier job.
I really think from what I hear it was the relationship between Danny and gill that facilitated his move. Gill just blew him off. Until Danny just blew gill off

With all of this said and I'm deeply concerned for the future I will say this. If we win only game a year it has to be against Delaware!!!!

 

[SpiderCoastie]

I now understand why Trump uses Twitter so much. Gotta take the grievances straight to the public if you want to blow up the establishment! The only thing the admin responds to is bad press apparently.

 

[keefusb]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think Gill has to go, and go soon. I don't see how our next football coach could work for him given what has happened. I know that Walsh is the primary guy who hires new coaches, but I don't trust Gill to make the right choice or provide the leadership needed to move the organization forward. I would rather fire Gill, hire a new AD, and let the new AD make the hiring decision for a new football coach. This whole fiasco is Gill's fault and Gill's problem, and I don't see how the administration lets this incompetent clown keep his job unless it's part of some master plan to kick us down to the PL.

 

[VT_Spider]

Because we won a national championship before Rocco. Obviously you can win here. We don't know the whole story, but I don't remember other UR football coaches whining like he did.

I think we know a lot of the story and its 150% gills fault. If I was a head coach o would not be interested in this job until we get our administration in order and that means firing gill.

 

[CarolinaSpider]

Major setback for us. I feel for the kids on the team. Like Phillyspider said earlier, there is a big stigma that will attach to this. To lose a good coach to a rival conference team, well that just sends a horrible message. Maybe this has been coming for some time, but to me it just feels like it dropped out of nowhere.

Maybe we'll get lucky and find a coach who doesn't mind administration problems, but I doubt it. I don't know about Crutcher, but Gill is a do nothing fix nothing invisible man. Let's see if we can get ANY decent work out of him while he telecommutes. And I don't care if the next coach is white black green yellow or red, but he better be someone who qualifies based on his merit versus a "politically correct in the interest of diversity" empty shirt.

And my worst nightmare is that the only coach that stays is Legg......

LOL!!!!

 

[whampas]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think Gill has to go, and go soon. I don't see how our next football coach could work for him given what has happened. I know that Walsh is the primary guy who hires new coaches, but I don't trust Gill to make the right choice or provide the leadership needed to move the organization forward. I would rather fire Gill, hire a new AD, and let the new AD make the hiring decision for a new football coach. This whole fiasco is Gill's fault and Gill's problem, and I don't see how the administration lets this incompetent clown keep his job unless it's part of some master plan to kick us down to the PL.

I wouldn't want him as my AD in the PL either.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

I'm probably risking the wrath of posters who are sick of the subject already, but I just see too many coincidences:

While probably not a primary reason for Rocco's departure, the backup quarterback situation probably was a "final straw." While we have no idea the details that led up to him losing his eligibility, it seemed to happen out of the blue. Remind me, who was in town that weekend? And the Rocco rumors started in a week.

Many of the players blasting the administration today were on team #DB14.

 

[RobinsHall98]

Yep, and they won't understand until they own their own business.

Or

I'm probably risking the wrath of posters who are sick of the subject already, but I just see too many coincidences:

While probably not a primary reason for Rocco's departure, the backup quarterback situation probably was a "final straw." While we have no idea the details that led up to him losing his eligibility, it seemed to happen out of the blue. Remind me, who was in town that weekend? And the Rocco rumors started in a week.

Many of the players blasting the administration today were on team #DB14.

I do not recall who was in town? Can you remind me. Seriously, I do not know.

 

[whampas]

His new employer.

 

[RobinsHall98]

His new employer.

Oh ...I am dense. I see what you are saying now.

 

[Eight Legger]

I think we know a lot of the story and its 150% gills fault. If I was a head coach o would not be interested in this job until we get our administration in order and that means firing gill.

You'd be plenty interested for $350,000 a year.

 

[PASpider]

Is the big issue for our sports teams the inability to admit athletes that don't meet a certain academic requirement? If so, then that is a school policy above Gill's head.

 

[urfan1]

Unless advocacy by KG would have resulted in a few more admissions