IF they all accept, that will be a lot of cots on the RC floor 
. Good thing we have the Queally center.
. Good thing we have the Queally center.It is time for a change.
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Anyone who cares to watch good basketball from the student section.
Ive stopped donating and won’t until we get a new coach. So there’s your datapoint. I’m certain I’m not alone.
It is free advertising. That makes it pretty damn good.
Ask Abilene Christian and Oral Roberts.
Abilene Christian earned big bucks in brief March Madness appearance, school president says
Abilene Christian University delivered a shocking upset to Texas in the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament before losing to UCLA in the second round.
but you're comparing schools with 70% acceptance rates to UR. I don't think the benefit they received is comparable to what we'd receive.It is free advertising. That makes it pretty damn good.
Ask Abilene Christian and Oral Roberts.
Abilene Christian earned big bucks in brief March Madness appearance, school president says
Abilene Christian University delivered a shocking upset to Texas in the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament before losing to UCLA in the second round.www.foxbusiness.com
and before you all type that I'm for the status quo and that like the administration I don't care about winning ... yes I want to win. I don't watch every game and post this crap without wanting to win. I don't care if we get a few more applications because we win though.
Of course not--we are further down the road than they are. However, I don't think it's shortsighted to say that the positive, free exposure of a NCAA tournament run elevates name recognition of the school, and elevated name recognition corresponds to increased interest, which corresponds to increased applications. Sure, we are selective already, but it's certainly not bad to have more and better choices. Especially if it increases visibility among prospective student athletes.
Query: where were we as a school in 1985? Small, regional university.
fair enough. winning is certainly a good thing. you just believe it would have a bigger effect on UR's rankings going forward than I do. and that's ok.
in 1985 we were a really good small regional university.
yes we're better now. but we're still really a small mostly regional university. just because we got USNews and Princeton review to rank us in the national university category, and just because we intentionally accept students from pretty much every state whether they're the most worthy or not just to say we're a national university doesn't mean we're really a national university ... in my opinion.
in 1985 we were a really good small regional university.
yes we're better now. but we're still really a small mostly regional university. just because we got USNews and Princeton review to rank us in the national university category, and just because we intentionally accept students from pretty much every state whether they're the most worthy or not just to say we're a national university doesn't mean we're really a national university ... in my opinion.
Sorry that doesn't make any sense. Every part of the school, athletics, academics, administration should be asked and required to perform at optimal levels. Would we accept that reasoning if the business or law school suddenly started to be average? Of course not. So, it should not be accepted as a rationale for our athletics. And if indeed we have people on the BOT or in high leadership who don't believe that we should strive to be the absolute best in all university endeavors, those people should not in leadership positions.
And what further doesn't make sense, if they do indeed hold that viewpoint, than why in the heck are we spending all of this money making our facilities better, paying our coaching staff a highly competitive salary. If we don't care about that much about athletics than stopping spending so much money in it.
I think the University spend the money, builds facilities to just stay on par and give the "look" that UR cares. But in reality - its not a priority. I feel like we always seem to be step behind, we do things - but usually after others.
Football stadium - I feel like that took forever to happen. So long so - that they developed plans for stadium, went out to raise money, and when they came back with money in hand - price had gone up because it had been almost 2 years to raise funds.
Basketball upgrades to Robins Center - probably long overdue at the time compared to other arenas in A10. Practice facility - first one got cancelled, then finally finished this past year.
Baseball - finally moving forward with outfield improvements.
Everything to me just screams that they put just enough effort to show we care a little bit, but usually after others have already done so.
Yes we are a small regional University, it’s a shame it’s not the small region that it is located in.
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I have no idea whether an NCAA Tournament appearance spikes admissions, but I do know it spikes student, alumni and fans interest and awareness of the University...
In particular, it unifies alumni behind something positive that they can be proud of and rally behind. The NCAA Tournament provides a prominent national event to which alumni can understand and relate. It has to strengthen their connection to the University, or reestablish a connection that may have languished over the years.
We know stronger connections to our alumni can mean easier fundraising, something at which many believe the University excels.
Just think of the joy on this board if our basketball program was consistently as strong as the University's fundraising in the last 50 years.
Sad that it is not being leveraged to its fullest.
Go Spiders!
In particular, it unifies alumni behind something positive that they can be proud of and rally behind. The NCAA Tournament provides a prominent national event to which alumni can understand and relate. It has to strengthen their connection to the University, or reestablish a connection that may have languished over the years.
We know stronger connections to our alumni can mean easier fundraising, something at which many believe the University excels.
Just think of the joy on this board if our basketball program was consistently as strong as the University's fundraising in the last 50 years.
Sad that it is not being leveraged to its fullest.
Go Spiders!
Spending money <> translating into results = not acceptable.
Except in our athletic programs.
I think this is a thin analysis. It does help applications and by extension, admissions. Do we need more applicants to make our number, of course not, but that selectivity percentage factors into college rankings. There’s also the unit value, plus some more than nominal value for the brand and merchandising.
i don’t see a particularly rational explanation for marginalizing the publicity benefit you get being in the tournament. Of course, the most salient value is that it alerts recruits that you’re a contender and thereby lifting who you might land in upcoming classes.
Historically NCAA appearances have resulted in UR receiving more applications the following year and therefore being able to be more selective (which at least used to be a ranking metric). Of course, a lot may have changed since our last appearance.
How about this - can we all agree, whether or not NCAA appearances increase admissions, increase quality of students applying, increase donations - even if that doesn't have a significant effect for a school like UR - can we all agree that the national exposure, local press coverage for 1 week, and just being on TV with Richmond fans across the country probably gathering to watch - is a positive for the school????
Guarantee it would help with their fundraising efforts, and that alone should get their attention.
I haven't followed this part of discussion closely but man I don't think you'll find 1 person to disagree with the latter.
This whole phenomenon is called the "Flutie effect". Great term that has lasted from the 1984 hail mary. My dad went to BC so I'm a little bit of sucker for that play, I think we watched a replay most Thanksgivings.
The flutie effect is well documented - but I am guessing poor old Doug was not smart enough to get into UR and therefore UR administration discounts the whole effect.
He was BC's Rhodes Scholar candidate his senior year and won national scholar-athlete awards...I think he would have been okay at UR.
I am willing to bet our admissions would find a reason to reject Flutie. We rejected the 5th all time leading scorer at VA Tech. We would find a reason to reject Doug - maybe he was too small.
I am not say you are wrong, but what facts do you have to support that statement?
There was no clear evidence of a bump from our last back-to-back appearances. The 2010 appearance would have first affected the incoming class of 2011, while the 2011 Sweet Sixteen appearance would have first affected the incoming class of 2012.
The increases in those two years were in line with the existing trend, and things even dipped/flatlined in the few years following that.
First-year applications by incoming class:
2006: 5,414
2007: 6,649
2008: 7,970
2009: 7,880
2010: 8,661
2011: 9,431
2012: 10,232
2013: 9,825
2014: 9,921
2015: 9,977
2016: 10,422
2017: 10,013
2018: 11,882
2019: 12,356
2020: 12,060
2021: 13,955
The increases in those two years were in line with the existing trend, and things even dipped/flatlined in the few years following that.
First-year applications by incoming class:
2006: 5,414
2007: 6,649
2008: 7,970
2009: 7,880
2010: 8,661
2011: 9,431
2012: 10,232
2013: 9,825
2014: 9,921
2015: 9,977
2016: 10,422
2017: 10,013
2018: 11,882
2019: 12,356
2020: 12,060
2021: 13,955
I think the higher your acceptance rate the more effect an NCAA appearance has on applications.
I wonder what the trend was 1979-1993?
1979: 3,094
1980: 3,096
1981: 3,198
1982: 3,737
1983: 3,888
1984: 4,244
1985: 4,944
1986: 5,125
1987: 5,019
1988: 5,315
1989: 5,557
1990: 5,017
1991: 4,423
1992: 5,371
1993: 5,892
1994: 5,435
1995: 5,204
1996: 5,405
1997: 5,603
1998: 5,715
1999: 6,234
2000: 5,631
2001: 5,622
2002: 5,895
2003: 6.079
2004: 6.236
2005: 5,778
1980: 3,096
1981: 3,198
1982: 3,737
1983: 3,888
1984: 4,244
1985: 4,944
1986: 5,125
1987: 5,019
1988: 5,315
1989: 5,557
1990: 5,017
1991: 4,423
1992: 5,371
1993: 5,892
1994: 5,435
1995: 5,204
1996: 5,405
1997: 5,603
1998: 5,715
1999: 6,234
2000: 5,631
2001: 5,622
2002: 5,895
2003: 6.079
2004: 6.236
2005: 5,778
when I was graduating HS, everyone applied to maybe 5 schools. dream school, safety school, and 3 others.
now days in my area it's like 15. and most kids don't even know which they'll choose. it's like "let's see who accepts me and then we'll take some trips".
now days in my area it's like 15. and most kids don't even know which they'll choose. it's like "let's see who accepts me and then we'll take some trips".
The schools mess with the kids too. Early admission, early action admissions, regular admission, wait list admission, early bird admission, super secret big donor admission, Celebrity admissions, quota filling admissions and sports admissions. To name a few.
Anybody ever heard of The Ramblers before their run?
I guessing Butler got their invite to the big East because of their run. (And the TV money that goes with it)
I guessing Butler got their invite to the big East because of their run. (And the TV money that goes with it)
See SF’s post below for the pop in 1999. I’ll say that my source was that I was on a student council with Dean Mateer at the time for dealing with how to handle a housing overload which school leadership had attributed to the 1998 tournament (ie more students came than anticipated and then the applications went up). SF found the numbers though so everyone can go from more than just a memory.
I became aware of Richmond 100% because of the win vs Syracuse.
I did because of the 1988 Sweet Sixteen run.
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So it ok for “fans”on this very platform to attack players but we can’t attack people who have possibly never played a serious game of basketball….. and the fact that you guys sit on here and hide behind your fake names and criticize and talk trash but when you see the players are all friendly is very cowardly!!
And I’m pretty sure you guys know which player this is!! So I won’t hide it like you scary fans do .. this is shawndre jones!!!! And I’m from Richmond Virginia so saying how long you have been a fan means nothing to me!!
Good to know.
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