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Is Football the Next Tobacco?
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ben, would submit that if our peer institutions or other universities sponsored said teams, we would also. they are just not as popular as football so no teams exist. first and foremost, football is a game which most of us played either in an organized way or at home on a vacant lot as we grew up. it is played by hundreds of universities, including ivies and to try and put forth that UR does not sponsor skydiving and other things is just ludicrous. if you don't feel that UR should be supporting and sponsoring and making available a football team, you should make that known to our new prez, the BOT and others, if you have not already. have no probs if you feel that way, am sure there are many who would love to ban boxing, football, mma, maybe even bowling and crew. just hope you guys don't get your way.....
WebSpinner: Prohibition (banning) is neither appealing nor effective and certainly not anything I'd want. I grew up with football defining a third of all my weekends (fall to winter) every year -- from high school games on Friday nights to college games on Saturday, and professional games the exciting thing we rushed home from church for on Sundays and watched until 60 Minutes came on (when we weren't playing pick-up games ourselves in the neighborhood). It's part of the country's cultural and social fabric. Banning is not on the table unless the personal injury lawyers go crazy and start winning landmark settlements/injury awards.
Thus, what many observers, including myself, are wondering is if the game's leaders can and will make the necessary safety changes that allow us to watch it without feeling uncomfortable and guilty that young people, especially high schoolers and college students (who aren't making any money that can sustain them in the future), are not facing legally unacceptable health risks. Living involves risks, but institutions, parents and individuals separate activities into ones that have acceptable risks and those that do not (for the purposes of liability).
Fans of football like myself are hoping that the game will choose the route NASCAR chose several years ago when they made significant changes to improve the safety of the sport. We are concerned that football could refuse to make safety changes and go the route of boxing, which used to be a top spectator sport at colleges like UVA (which had "Boxing Nights" that drew bigger crowds than any other sport -- scroll down to the bottom of the link provided): "The University's General Athletic Association (forerunner to today's Department of Athletics) made boxing an official varsity sport in 1927, just in time to host matches in the new Memorial Gymnasium. As many as 5,000 fans would crowd into the gym to watch the bouts. The Cavaliers went undefeated from 1932 through 1937, winning a string of Southern ConferenceChampionships. Boxing as a major college sport eventually succumbed to the growing criticism that it was too dangerous and even deadly for student athletes. (A 1950 Look[/I] magazine article described the sport as
"legalized murder."). U.Va. eliminated boxing as a varsity sport in 1955, and the NCAA refused to sanction the sport after 1960."
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http://uvamagazine.org/articles/according_to_custom/
Thus, what many observers, including myself, are wondering is if the game's leaders can and will make the necessary safety changes that allow us to watch it without feeling uncomfortable and guilty that young people, especially high schoolers and college students (who aren't making any money that can sustain them in the future), are not facing legally unacceptable health risks. Living involves risks, but institutions, parents and individuals separate activities into ones that have acceptable risks and those that do not (for the purposes of liability).
Fans of football like myself are hoping that the game will choose the route NASCAR chose several years ago when they made significant changes to improve the safety of the sport. We are concerned that football could refuse to make safety changes and go the route of boxing, which used to be a top spectator sport at colleges like UVA (which had "Boxing Nights" that drew bigger crowds than any other sport -- scroll down to the bottom of the link provided): "The University's General Athletic Association (forerunner to today's Department of Athletics) made boxing an official varsity sport in 1927, just in time to host matches in the new Memorial Gymnasium. As many as 5,000 fans would crowd into the gym to watch the bouts. The Cavaliers went undefeated from 1932 through 1937, winning a string of Southern ConferenceChampionships. Boxing as a major college sport eventually succumbed to the growing criticism that it was too dangerous and even deadly for student athletes. (A 1950 Look[/I] magazine article described the sport as
"legalized murder."). U.Va. eliminated boxing as a varsity sport in 1955, and the NCAA refused to sanction the sport after 1960."
This post was edited on 3/30 7:18 AM by BenM3
http://uvamagazine.org/articles/according_to_custom/
ben, are you awake out there buddy?? football, all of my long life has been getting safer, it is not a "light switch" type of deal, is like anything else, it evolves, takes time. when i say getting safer, mean that protection has evolved, medicine surrounding the game has gotten better but at the same time, athletes have gotten bigger, faster and the velocity has gone up exponentially. the only thing you can ask for, hope for, is that these things continue to get better, the va tech helmet rankings, for example. all risk, all injuries, etc. will never be eliminated from the game, it is and always has been, a violent game. nascar safety has evolved as well, over a long period, no light switch. they were able to do some big things right away ( the earnhart death drove it, was already there) the technology, engineering was already there, they just needed to implement it and force it on the owners, teams and drivers. even then, some drivers did not want to do some of those things, they were forced to do them. as long as you understand that it takes time and will continue to evolve, you are OK but if you think that the leadership can just change things NOW, not going to happen. they are in safe mode right now and feel they will continue to force things as they become available, evolve and that is as safe as you are going to get it. if you are not happy with that, then banning is the only other answer.
WebSpinner: I think the way you describe how NASCAR went about implementing/forcing changes is probably exactly what football has to do...make the safety evolution go faster to outrun both the lawyers racing to courthouses and the parents/players who are walking away from the game (even if their numbers are currently small). The sooner football makes significant safety reforms that reduce (not eliminate) risk, the better. Amen to that...
completely understand ben but it is not just doing something, there has to be science and common sense not just "doing somthing". the doing something is getting your hands around the problem and what one guy is saying over here another guy is saying somthing different over there, whether it be mds, phds, what have you. that is why there is evolution, we learn new things all the time, how to fine-tune things, why it takes years not hours to get it right.
I agree. Impulsive "cosmetic" changes without any independent science or input from experts would not be helpful.
Sensors in helmets, as pioneered at Virginia Tech and UNC-Chapel Hill, would seem a promising start if the data they provide were sufficiently accurate/valid. On a totally different path (more along the lines of rugby), perhaps getting rid of helmets and shoulder pads altogether might, paradoxically, make the game safer -- as players would self-regulate their contact more often and not lead with their heads as much (or at all). Don't know and I'm certainly no expert, but these are some ideas I've read about...
Sensors in helmets, as pioneered at Virginia Tech and UNC-Chapel Hill, would seem a promising start if the data they provide were sufficiently accurate/valid. On a totally different path (more along the lines of rugby), perhaps getting rid of helmets and shoulder pads altogether might, paradoxically, make the game safer -- as players would self-regulate their contact more often and not lead with their heads as much (or at all). Don't know and I'm certainly no expert, but these are some ideas I've read about...
ben, agree, the helmet is a big part of the problem. recall playing tackle football most every day after school, as a kid, with no head injuries at all. not sure if we will ever see the helmet gone so we have to make it better. just seems it could be made softer, not as hard, with some of these super materials that are out there. something to protect the head/brain but not usable as a weapon as it is now. think we are all on the same page and we want to get to point B but just have to be patient, not done overnight.
Interesting to see how this helmet/no helmet debate is playing out in girl's lacrosse:
"Headgear Rule for Girls' Lacrosse Ignites Outcry"
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/sports/in-girls-lacrosse-a-move-in-the-name-of-safety-sparks-debate.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/sports/in-girls-lacrosse-a-move-in-the-name-of-safety-sparks-debate.html
"Headgear Rule for Girls' Lacrosse Ignites Outcry"
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/sports/in-girls-lacrosse-a-move-in-the-name-of-safety-sparks-debate.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/sports/in-girls-lacrosse-a-move-in-the-name-of-safety-sparks-debate.html
am actually amazed, have never seen a lax game, men or women, where helmets were not worn. in lax, don't see the helmet as being the culprit as much as in football, really protection from the stick and the ball. espn did a feature on hockey helmets on sunday and again va tech doing the research, many helmets failed to be adequate according to their tests. again, football seems to be the one sport where helmets cause probs, not as much in other sports.
Re: Is Women's Soccer the Next Tobacco?
I guess we should eliminate Women's Soccer as well......oh wait there is no money involved!
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Women's Soccer
I guess we should eliminate Women's Soccer as well......oh wait there is no money involved!
This post was edited on 3/31 1:55 PM by Spiderfan1980
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Women's Soccer
Re: Is Women's Soccer the Next Tobacco?
If they do away with KP returns and punt returns will be a big step in the right direction for injuries. Also wonder what would happen if we did away with down lineman, everyone has to stand to hit. Game would be much different, I believe much safer.
If they do away with KP returns and punt returns will be a big step in the right direction for injuries. Also wonder what would happen if we did away with down lineman, everyone has to stand to hit. Game would be much different, I believe much safer.
Re: Is Women's Soccer the Next Tobacco?
Wrestling and ice-hockey have as big a concussion problem (and maybe bigger) than football and women's soccer and basketball have concerns as well...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/short-on-concussion-data-ncaa-sets-out-to-get-some-1429264981
Wrestling and ice-hockey have as big a concussion problem (and maybe bigger) than football and women's soccer and basketball have concerns as well...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/short-on-concussion-data-ncaa-sets-out-to-get-some-1429264981
Re: Is Women's Soccer the Next Tobacco?
my point all along, concussions happen everywhere, doing most anything, certainly some areas have more incidents. you make things as safe as you can and then leave it up to parents and the older individual to decide if they wish to participate in an activity. at least in a free country that is how it should work.
my point all along, concussions happen everywhere, doing most anything, certainly some areas have more incidents. you make things as safe as you can and then leave it up to parents and the older individual to decide if they wish to participate in an activity. at least in a free country that is how it should work.
Re: Is Women's Soccer the Next Tobacco?
add to the list, gymnastics, horse back riding, baseball, wrestling, boxing, and many more. Shoot I know personally 4 runners that died while running. I guess we should ban them all and go live in the blow up wraps for safety.
add to the list, gymnastics, horse back riding, baseball, wrestling, boxing, and many more. Shoot I know personally 4 runners that died while running. I guess we should ban them all and go live in the blow up wraps for safety.
BenM3 should do a thorough analysis of Lingerie Football and get back to us.This sport is a very big concern and upsets most posters.Forget wrestling.
Should occupy him as much as his random cut and paste postings which keeps his original posting and thread in the limelight which feeds his placard mentality.
Lingerie Football
Should occupy him as much as his random cut and paste postings which keeps his original posting and thread in the limelight which feeds his placard mentality.
Lingerie Football
my oldest grandson participated in the mutton-bustin at the rodeo this year. OK, riding a sheep for as long as you can, with a helmet. he did great, did not get thrown and got a trophy but would much rather him grow up to play football than be a bronc or bull rider. those guys are completely nuts and have to have as many concussions as they do broken bones when they hang them up. would not want my grand kids doing gymnastics either, nor skateboarding or motocross, so many things but not my call and if they decide they want to do something, will support them to the max, as long as mom and dad do too. heck, they could be killed, maimed, just riding their bikes in the neighborhood or wrestling in their room.
This is what I was talking about a couple of years ago when I raised this issue:
http://www.thecollegianur.com/artic...nd-hid-link-between-football-and-brain-damage
Other sports, besides football, should also take notice and perhaps change their rules in order to lower student-athletes' risk and UR's liability moving forward...
http://www.thecollegianur.com/artic...nd-hid-link-between-football-and-brain-damage
Other sports, besides football, should also take notice and perhaps change their rules in order to lower student-athletes' risk and UR's liability moving forward...
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need to get my arms around what UR's liability really is? is it providing scholies for football players, having players hit each other, just what is it? did we not keep a player out of contact when he had been concussed? did we do everything we knew to be right for him but does not matter? how does one or a court determine what was right?
The violence of Lingerie Football is a big concern which BenM3 should
try to get the U.S. Congress to abolish.
try to get the U.S. Congress to abolish.
I just spoke with my neurologist back in July - middle school and high school girls soccer players still have the highest rate of concussions, worse than football. Look at some of the more well-known articles on the Internet - the concussion articles conveniently leave out soccer. Doing one's own research and making an informed decision about an issue is a virtue.
Lacrosse too:
http://wnpr.org/post/sacred-heart-u...-effect-head-impacts-college-lacrosse-players
Youth concussions everywhere:
Youth concussions on the rise since 2010, peaking in fall especially with soccer:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/health/youth-concussions-on-the-rise/index.html
attorneys will be busy for many years disembowling many sports at 33%-40% per settlement.Forget sports,let the kids become lawyers.God help us.
http://wnpr.org/post/sacred-heart-u...-effect-head-impacts-college-lacrosse-players
Youth concussions everywhere:
Youth concussions on the rise since 2010, peaking in fall especially with soccer:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/health/youth-concussions-on-the-rise/index.html
attorneys will be busy for many years disembowling many sports at 33%-40% per settlement.Forget sports,let the kids become lawyers.God help us.
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Surge in ER visits for injuries, concussions from soccer - The San Diego Union-Tribune
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...njuries-concussions-from-2016sep11-story.html
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...njuries-concussions-from-2016sep11-story.html
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