Get the Coach Off the Court

[chicospider]

Why is this happening? Biggest Abuser in the A10, Coach Dan Hurley, Rhode Island

"The rules require every coach to stay within a 28-foot roaming area behind the sideline and on his end of the court. Stepping outside the box can bring a warning followed by a technical foul."

"I think for the coaching profession, for the game itself, it looks messy, and it also looks like there are some people seeking an advantage," said Saint Joseph's coach Phil Martelli, president of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. "My thing is: It's a rule. Enforce the rule."



"Former Dallas Mavericks guard Jason Kidd, now coach of the Brooklyn Nets, took action against a straying coach in 2010. In a game against Atlanta, Kidd spied Hawks coach Mike Woodson standing on the court, directing players on defense. Kidd dribbled right into Woodson, prompting an automatic technical foul on Atlanta and a key free throw for Dallas.

Kerr said he would like to see a college player do the same thing to an intrusive coach. "That," he said, "will put an end to all of it."

See below article written in Wall Street Journal, March 20, 2014

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304026304579449271255687570

 

[MolivaManiac]

I was just about to post about what a jackass Hurley is on the sideline.

He's done a remarkable rebuild with that program but I cannot stand the guy.

 

[MidloTrader]

Plenty of coaches violate this rule and should be T'd up. If it's a rule, enforce it. Would love even more to see K0 or SDJ slam into Hurley, Smart, or any other coach in the way, make the point and take the points on to victory.

 

[wr70beh]

Well the refs aren't going to do anything if they aren't bothered. There is a sense of entitlement with spoiled coaches like Cal and Shaka.

 

[MolivaManiac]

I must say that I can't stand his team but I respect Shaka.

Hurley, Martell and Kellogg are the 3 biggest sleeze bags in the A10. In that order, IMO.

 

[SpiderK]

It is very hard to win a game in the A-10 on the road. Not making excuses for UR, just saying the home job refereeing is unbelievable. Watching URI and Dayton now, and can't stand either team. It seems the Refs are actually enjoying calling fouls on URI.

 

[MidloTrader]

Watching games on TV always seems to be some "home cooking" but it's a very rare feeling in RC, particularly with the travels, walks and push offs missed throughout the games these days.

 

[SpiderK]

Midlo, I always watch for the amount of enthusiasm a ref has when making a call against an away team. Just can't stand a "crowd pleaser" referee. There is no place for it in the college game.

 

[ur2K]

Hurley got warned in our game with them and then kept doing it all game with no repercussions. Is love to see a player barrel into him or shaka when he adds himself as a 6th defender on the court.

 

[spider fan]

The situation I imagined in the past was D-Will slamming into the oppositions' coach who was on the court impeding the free movement of players. Hurley received a warning" in our game this year against Rhody at home but should have been given a technical particularly since we had already had a technical called against us. The rule is clear and a warning was weak.

 

[MidloTrader]

K, if refs are doing their jobs right, then BOTH teams are either complaining or aren't complaining. At least call it consistently and call it RIGHT. And that doesn't mean they should manipulate to have equal # of fouls.

This post was edited on 3/3 9:20 PM by MidloTrader

 

[SpiderK]

Agree 100% Midlo

 

[Ulla1]

No respect for Smart. He violates the rules as much or more than Hurley.

 

[Spider2015]

Hurley also stomped like hell multiple times against us while in bounds trying to get his players attention. Probably left a few marks on the hardwood and its just plain disrespectful.

 

[Jwilk2]

I am record multiple times re Hurley. Not my favorite person. His dad, different story. The NCAA referee colony has been on his case since his first job. No class.

 

[urmite]

Mo,

Martelli may be a jerk in interviews, but I don't think his actions during the game effect his opponents. But Hurley's stomping, and Kellogg's dancing do, when the action is at their end.
And at least twice In the Brother's shot game, after our ball handler passed mid court, Shaka was between him and the basket.

 

[WebSpinner]

OK, will get the dates wrong but recall, in the 60s, coaches doing the same thing, or worse, caused the acc to require them to stay home. bones mckinney the old preacher and coach at wake had a seat belt installed so he could not get up. certainly a joke/prank and did not last long but made a lasting impression. the coaches do have a vast area in which they can roam but they push the envelope because they know the refs are not going to enforce it other than to warn them. a technical and expulsion will get their attention but that is not going to happen unless the ncaa instructs the ref community to enforce or they will be gone. like the idea of having a player run into them to take care of it and don't know why more teams don't do that against those who are out on the court all the time.

 

[MolivaManiac]

Originally posted by urmite:
Mo,

Martelli may be a jerk in interviews, but I don't think his actions during the game effect his opponents. But Hurley's stomping, and Kellogg's dancing do, when the action is at their end.
And at least twice In the Brother's shot game, after our ball handler passed mid court, Shaka was between him and the basket.

Fair enough. My feelings were probably more general, than stomping on the court/potentially interrupting play related.

 

[SpiderK]

Another dirty trick I see all the time is coaches sending in subs after the freethrow shooter has received the ball from the ref. The refs and the idiots at the officials table should never blow the horn once the shooter has the ball.

 

[NattyMat]

Having been in the post-game pressers with all the A-10 coaches, my personal least favorite is Jim Crews (by a mile). You may have coaches dance and what not on the sidelines, get into the game, but Crews really impressed me the least off the court. Just a real snarky dude with a major attitude.

Depending which Martelli you catch can greatly effect your opinion of him. I've seen both the a-hole Martelli and the hilarious super likable version.

For my money: Mooney, Smart, Lonergan and Schmidt are the group you'd most want to get a beer with. All just real likable guys off the court (and I know that's hard for you all to believe but ask a Richmond player like Cedrick Lindsay how nice of a guy Shaka is). Also thought McKillop was a real nice guy, Paul Hewitt as well but I don't suspect he'll be around much longer.

 

[spider fan]

Shaka has the media eating out of his hands because he comes across as very personable and likeable off the court but that does not excuse his on the court antics. He is often in the playing area and also is very picky when it comes to his thinking on things. Prime example is when someone - not identified and could have been an RPI fan or a Richmond fan - threw a sponge ball that landed maybe 20 feet or so from the RPI bench and Shaka made such a fuss that the ref took the ball away from Greg Robbins who was shooting free throws so Shaka could be placated. Still remember the expression on Greg's face looking toward the RPI bench wondering just what was going on? When I yelled out "cry baby" about Shaka the now departed assistant who became a head coach looked at me and yelled "shut up." Brings a smile to my face to this day. Also remember well the example another poster gave of Darien Brothers literally having to play around Shaka who was in the playing area. As long as the refs appease him by letting him get away with it nothing is going to change.

 

[WebSpinner]

don't care how nice an opposing coach may be at a bar, get him the heck off my court during the game.

 

[97spiderfan]

As long as the refs let them get away with it, what is to stop coaches from being on the court. If I were a coach and saw the opposing coach on the court, I would have one of my players just run him over when the opportunity presented himself. That an easy technical call for the ref to make, easy 2 points. And that play is going to be rerun on all the highlight shows, that should be enough to shame the coach for being on the court.

If a couple coaches took a stand against it by doing this it would stop pretty quickly. The reality is almost all coaches are on the court at some point (yes, including Chris). The NCAA needs to step up with enforcement of it to stop it.

 

[Eight Legger]

I suspect no coach would tell his players to intentionally run into another coach who is standing on the court because the coaching fraternity would frown upon that. But at the same time, the coaching fraternity should frown on coaches being on the court during the game.

It bothers me most when the ball is in the half of the court on which that coach is standing. It's a little different when he's on the court on one end but the play is happening at the other end. But when a coach is on the court when play is taking place right there, it's inexcusable.

 

[97spiderfan]

Originally posted by Eight Legger:
I suspect no coach would tell his players to intentionally run into another coach who is standing on the court because the coaching fraternity would frown upon that. But at the same time, the coaching fraternity should frown on coaches being on the court during the game.

True, I'm sure there are coaches out there who despise one another enough to give it consideration during the heat of the game. I'm just saying I would love to see a coach get lit up doing it.

 

[Spider2015]

Yeah that ball actually hit shaka right in the back of the head

. He didn't even notice or care until he realized he might get a cheap tech. out of it.

 

[spider23]

If I recall, against URI, we were bringing the ball up the court and on offense when they stopped the game to warn Hurley. I think that is ridiculous - stopping the game in play to warn the coach. And, as noted nothing was done. I know when I am coaching my travel team a warning of a T does not do much to slow me down - but an actual T does

.

Hurley protests just about every single call - which I have to believe comes across as crying wolf or just plain ignored. Seems like he needs to change his strategy. Saw his dad coach a couple times and was surprised at the amount and level of complaining to refs, so I know where he gets it. Wonder if young Bobby is the same way at UB?

 

[Eight Legger]

Originally posted by 97spiderfan:

Originally posted by Eight Legger:
I suspect no coach would tell his players to intentionally run into another coach who is standing on the court because the coaching fraternity would frown upon that. But at the same time, the coaching fraternity should frown on coaches being on the court during the game.

True, I'm sure there are coaches out there who despise one another enough to give it consideration during the heat of the game. I'm just saying I would love to see a coach get lit up doing it.

I totally agree. Would love to see it. If you go on the court, you deserve whatever happens to you. Same thing for a fan who is dumb enough to try it.

 

[spider fan]

15 - I didn't see the sponge ball until it landed and didn't realize it had hit Shaka................no confessions needed ... but any clue who threw it?

 

[SpiderTrap]

Hurley is a big offender of it, but who cares really - if your winning, no one cares about those things. Remember when we said Mooney was too hard on players when he first got to UR, then we had those winning seasons with KA, Harper, Geriot, etc. and no one mentioned it - now that we are back to a mediocre level - it comes up again.

I feel like this is the same thing - it only comes up when you got nothing else to talk about. And I don't think Hurley is a very good coach, but think he is an excellent recruiter and that will carry him very far in college basketball, especially in the A10. And the fact they are on the bubble (it might have very well burst with the loss to Dayton) this year for the tourney in just his 3rd season and with a team that is led by 2 sophmores and frosh - I would say things are looking up for URI. I think they need to make the A10 finals now with their loss to Dayton, but they got a chance (a small chance).

 

[fan2011]

URI was never seriously on the bubble. The selection committee would never have chosen them as an at large. They have 0 top 50 wins, 2 sub-100 losses, an RPI of about 70 and an SOS of about 120. We are more likely to get an at large bid than URI.




This post was edited on 3/4 2:55 PM by fan2011