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Game #3: UR @ Virginia Tech September 25,2021

Definitely pile on with accolades about Ray Tate - if anybody was "Mr. Richmond Spider" through and through it was Ray. He lived and breathed UR sports and was a very friendly man..............
 
If Fuente is the coach next year and they lose to us they ought to fire Fuente right after the game into the sun. Should of happened immediately after Liberty.
 
All is forgiven as he led Hokies to wallop the Hoos. And if you want immediate firing become an Auburn fan as my Spider wife is because her dad went there back in the day when it was still officially Alabama Polytechnic Institute..
 
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UR honestly has a chance to beat Tech. We are gonna be so bad next year now that Fuente is coming back. Two starting offensive linemen have already transferred out as of yesterday because Fuente is coming back and more starters are gonna hit the portal this offseason. Recruiting has been some of the worst at the power five level so there is no one to replace the starters we are losing to the portal. This is going to be an extremely depleted roster next year that will be one of the worst teams in the ACC. We Tech fans are truly seeing a Chris Mooney situation unfold with our football program.
 
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UR honestly has a chance to beat Tech. We are gonna be so bad next year now that Fuente is coming back. Two starting offensive linemen have already transferred out as of yesterday because Fuente is coming back and more starters are gonna hit the portal this offseason. Recruiting has been some of the worst at the power five level so there is no one to replace the starters we are losing to the portal. This is going to be an extremely deleted roster next year that will be one of the worst teams in the ACC. We Tech fans are truly seeing a Chris Mooney situation unfold with our football program.


Virginia Tech QB Hendon Hooker transferring from the program

 
Virginia Tech QB Hendon Hooker transferring from the program

I don’t blame him for leaving at all. He is a great QB but was mismanaged by our coaching staff making him run 20+ times a game and get his head taken off all the time. If you saw the Clemson game there was clearly something wrong with him and he went back in and had what looked like a seizure. The rumor is that Fuente told him to go back in or else he would never play for us again. If true that should be a fireable offense for Fuente and would justify hooker leaving 100%.
 
North Carolina and West Virginia will probably beat Tech up, making it an easy win for us. (Yes, I am dreaming.
But I was at City Stadium one year when we beat them up pretty good. )
 
Well Tech has lost to ODU and liberty since Fuente has been our coach so I wouldn’t put it past him to lose to UR. This will likely be Tech’s worst team from a talent standpoint in a long time.
 
Well Tech has lost to ODU and liberty since Fuente has been our coach so I wouldn’t put it past him to lose to UR. This will likely be Tech’s worst team from a talent standpoint in a long time.
Not looking much better on our end either. Id say most of our teams from 2007-2016 could go in there and compete with that corpse of a program Fuente has turned it into. Huesmans first team probably could of too, but he would of messed that up for sure, even against Fuente.
 
Not looking much better on our end either. Id say most of our teams from 2007-2016 could go in there and compete with that corpse of a program Fuente has turned it into. Huesmans first team probably could of too, but he would of messed that up for sure, even against Fuente.
I gather you don’t care for Huesman? Who would you want to be head coach and why the dislike for Huesman?
 
I gather you don’t care for Huesman? Who would you want to be head coach and why the dislike for Huesman?
I wouldn't say I don't care for him other than I have been very unimpressed since he took over. Some of the problems I have seen arent all on RH the school ought to help him more. However, he couldn't manage to even get us to the playoffs with an NFL QB and almost everyone returning his first season here from a national contender the previous two seasons. Then 4-7 and 5-7 since with plenty of embarrassing losses that should of been easy wins had the team shown better discipline which is on the coaching, IMO.

Have my doubts he can succeed here as the HC based off that assesment and his overall record. Comes off as very uninspiring and un-motivating. For example, suggesting or admitting defeat to JMU the week before the game, or after just losing to WM because of how unprepared we looked that game, then go off on a tangent about how youre going to circle the next game vs them on the calendar. I remember his 2nd or 3rd game here when I was already doubting his capabilities as a HC when he started ranting like a mad man at halftime about everything with no clear message about how to make adjustments in the 2nd half.

Not a guy I would run through a wall for and judging the body language of our players suggest they feel the same way when things don't go their way during the game. Unimaginative offense that doesnt utilize the talent at their disposal. I fear he is a coach that can only succeed with immense talent around him and even then he has shown he is unable to do it (See first season, albeit not "his" players).

I do not have any suggestions. If our job ever came open Bobby Wilder is a guy I would give a call but I don't keep up with coaching names like I used to. A Dave Clawson clone would be nice. Grabbing Will Healy before he got big would of been cool, but not really feasible then or now.
 
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I've been very disappointed in Huesman, to the point where I have almost lost interest in the program. I really thought he was going to be great for us, but the last few years have been mostly a mess, and he has seemed totally clueless about what is going on.
 
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I honestly had a bad feeling right from his press conference the day he was hired…wasn’t a fan of the “aw, shucks” demeanor that didn’t seem to show a coherent plan to win or any intensity. But I kept my mouth shut and gave him a chance.

We certainly won big with him as DC and he turned Chatty into a winner, but so far he’s been a disappointment. I know it takes time to get your guys in and your system in place, but we’re in our fourth year going sideways at under .500 ball and I don’t see a lot of urgency to get better.
 
I wouldn't say I don't care for him other than I have been very unimpressed since he took over. Some of the problems I have seen arent all on RH the school ought to help him more. However, he couldn't manage to even get us to the playoffs with an NFL QB and almost everyone returning his first season here from a national contender the previous two seasons. Then 4-7 and 5-7 since with plenty of embarrassing losses that should of been easy wins had the team shown better discipline which is on the coaching, IMO.

Have my doubts he can succeed here as the HC based off that assesment and his overall record. Comes off as very uninspiring and un-motivating. For example, suggesting or admitting defeat to JMU the week before the game, or after just losing to WM because of how unprepared we looked that game, then go off on a tangent about how youre going to circle the next game vs them on the calendar. I remember his 2nd or 3rd game here when I was already doubting his capabilities as a HC when he started ranting like a mad man at halftime about everything with no clear message about how to make adjustments in the 2nd half.

Not a guy I would run through a wall for and judging the body language of our players suggest they feel the same way when things don't go their way during the game. Unimaginative offense that doesnt utilize the talent at their disposal. I fear he is a coach that can only succeed with immense talent around him and even then he has shown he is unable to do it (See first season, albeit not "his" players).

I do not have any suggestions. If our job ever came open Bobby Wilder is a guy I would give a call but I don't keep up with coaching names like I used to. A Dave Clawson clone would be nice. Grabbing Will Healy before he got big would of been cool, but not really feasible then or now.
Well he has totally “his” players now. If he flounders I’ll join you. But, at this point, I don’t feel all of the problems are because of him. We have some nice looking recruits and red shirts coming, so hopefully I am right.
 
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Not looking much better on our end either. Id say most of our teams from 2007-2016 could go in there and compete with that corpse of a program Fuente has turned it into. Huesmans first team probably could of too, but he would of messed that up for sure, even against Fuente.
I would even venture to say that I think UR’s teams from 2007-2009 would have had a very good chance of beating Tech during that time period as well. Those teams at Tech were great defensively but couldn’t score to save their lives. You have to believe that UR’s defense would have fared very well against them, especially the 2008 team with Sidbury up front and all the talent in the back end. It’s amazing that Tech had an NFL QB in Tyrod Taylor at that time but still were absolutely horrible offensively. It just shows how poorly Tyrod was used and how inept the coaching staff was offensively.
 
echo many of the thoughts expressed previously regarding Coach Huesman's three seasons...

in 2019 during the month of October the team finally showed some progress towards relevancy with four wins in five weeks, including a couple of top 20s, but then totally collapsed for the last ten quarters versus Nova, JMU and W&M...it was embarrassingly uncomfortable and disappointing...

COVID-19 robbed us of a fourth season (2020) to determine whether, or not, October 2019 was a head fake, or a sign of progress back towards competing for Championships...

this is why I think the spring season is important...the program needs to show sustained progress versus high quality CAA competition like JMU and Elon...if we can't show it in the spring...I'm not sure what would change for the conventional 2021 season...

as for a coach who can succeed at Richmond, we've had three pretty good examples in the last 15 years in Clawson, London and Rocco...each had us competing for CAA and FCS Championships...so far in Coach Huesman's tenure we've seen very little to indicate we can get back there...

I look forward to seeing what the spring season brings...

Go Spiders!
 
A Head Coach is only as good as the assistants he hires to implement his program. Durden at OC
has been a huge question mark in my mind. I like the Vince Lombardi philosophy of continuing to run
a play till the defense learns to stop it.
 
I would even venture to say that I think UR’s teams from 2007-2009 would have had a very good chance of beating Tech during that time period as well. Those teams at Tech were great defensively but couldn’t score to save their lives. You have to believe that UR’s defense would have fared very well against them, especially the 2008 team with Sidbury up front and all the talent in the back end. It’s amazing that Tech had an NFL QB in Tyrod Taylor at that time but still were absolutely horrible offensively. It just shows how poorly Tyrod was used and how inept the coaching staff was offensively.
That's not a bad take we probably beat them in city stadium (RIP), especially if Glennon is the QB. With him at QB, was never suprised when VT lost. But to be fair the offensive coaching left a lot to be desired much like what we are seeing here.
 
Well he has totally “his” players now. If he flounders I’ll join you. But, at this point, I don’t feel all of the problems are because of him. We have some nice looking recruits and red shirts coming, so hopefully I am right.

I'm sorry Ive coached on all levels and the his players argument falls on death ears when you inherit the talent he did and we can literally point to every coach preceding him going back to Jim Reid as accomplishing more (sometimes with less than what he was gifted) in his first couple of seasons. Once they are there they are your players. Granted if there is a talent deficit it can be understood that you need time to get more talent in. That wasn't RH case.

I get they probably weren't big fans of all that went down and probably didn't give him a fair shake but listening to his rhetoric its hard not to blame them. Rocco took over a winless CAA team the year before his arrival and had us in the playoffs had the NCAA committee screwed us over. London won a NC without "his players", Dave Clawson took us to the playoffs without a lot of "His players" his second year here. Hell even our DUI coach managed to go 6-5 one season with FOUR quarterbacks and none of them were "his players" and he was barely trying according to some on here. Meanwhile you have Barney Rubble come in and do nothing his first three years and sulks non stop when adversity hits.

That's all I need to know when it comes to judging RH first few years here. I don't think its all his fault and Im certainly not pinning it all on him. I just find him uninspiring and unmotivating and as a result unable to return us to what we once were on a consistent basis.

All those coaches had something about them to help build and sustain their program.
For Clawson it was relentless recruiting to procure amazing talent and implement an exciting offense
For Mike London it was all about a brotherhood and motivating players to feel good about himself
For Danny Rocco it was his game management and development of players that fly under the radar.
With RH its gosh, we suck, whoa is me, our rivals are better than us, these refs blew the game and inaudible screaming into a mic at halftime. Hes a defense guy and it looks like hes been more of a swiss cheese maker these past few years. Hes already come out and said he doesn't plan to take spring season serious and to prep for fall which is fine, but what happens if we have a repeat of the past 3 seasons this fall? We gave him two seasons to prepare for one. Wait another year right? Basically 5 years of irrelevancy while we let two biggest rivals raid our coaching staffs. Do we really want to do this with FCS football which is a lot easier to compete in?


This isnt about whats right and wrong I am wrong all the time, RH could certainly turn it around as i mentioned it earlier, but I have 0 reason to believe he will. As a fan of this team for over 25 years going back to my childhood i have never been so apathetic about the program and I am far more patient than most on this site about winning. I sat through those final Jim Reid years and went to every game. I could hardly bother myself to go to a game last year (Only WM) and come home to hear him whining in a presser about circling a game with your rival after losing a close game to them. That game doesnt need a circle if you understand the history of the rivalry which he should considering he been on both sidelines.

As you said it is not all RH fault but he has a lot he can control and doesn't do a great job of what he can. He is very lucky Mooney is still here in whatever capacity because hes such a lightning rod topic on this board. If he wasnt perhaps people would see the forest for the trees.

With all that being said, I sure hope you are right, but am entitled to my doubts.
 
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I'm sorry Ive coached on all levels and the his players argument falls on death ears when you inherit the talent he did and we can literally point to every coach preceding him going back to Jim Reid as accomplishing more (sometimes with less than what he was gifted) in his first couple of seasons. Once they are there they are your players. Granted if there is a talent deficit it can be understood that you need time to get more talent in. That wasn't RH case.

I get they probably weren't big fans of all that went down and probably didn't give him a fair shake but listening to his rhetoric its hard not to blame them. Rocco took over a winless CAA team the year before his arrival and had us in the playoffs had the NCAA committee screwed us over. London won a NC without "his players", Dave Clawson took us to the playoffs without a lot of "His players" his second year here. Hell even our DUI coach managed to go 6-5 one season with FOUR quarterbacks and none of them were "his players" and he was barely trying according to some on here. Meanwhile you have Barney Rubble come in and do nothing his first three years and sulks non stop when adversity hits.

That's all I need to know when it comes to judging RH first few years here. I don't think its all his fault and Im certainly not pinning it all on him. I just find him uninspiring and unmotivating and as a result unable to return us to what we once were on a consistent basis.

All those coaches had something about them to help build and sustain their program.
For Clawson it was relentless recruiting to procure amazing talent and implement an exciting offense
For Mike London it was all about a brotherhood and motivating players to feel good about himself
For Danny Rocco it was his game management and development of players that fly under the radar.
With RH its gosh, we suck, whoa is me, our rivals are better than us, these refs blew the game and inaudible screaming into a mic at halftime. Hes a defense guy and it looks like hes been more of a swiss cheese maker these past few years. Hes already come out and said he doesn't plan to take spring season serious and to prep for fall which is fine, but what happens if we have a repeat of the past 3 seasons this fall? We gave him two seasons to prepare for one. Wait another year right? Basically 5 years of irrelevancy while we let two biggest rivals raid our coaching staffs. Do we really want to do this with FCS football which is a lot easier to compete in?


This isnt about whats right and wrong I am wrong all the time, RH could certainly turn it around as i mentioned it earlier, but I have 0 reason to believe he will. As a fan of this team for over 25 years going back to my childhood i have never been so apathetic about the program and I am far more patient than most on this site about winning. I sat through those final Jim Reid years and went to every game. I could hardly bother myself to go to a game last year (Only WM) and come home to hear him whining in a presser about circling a game with your rival after losing a close game to them. That game doesnt need a circle if you understand the history of the rivalry which he should considering he been on both sidelines.

As you said it is not all RH fault but he has a lot he can control and doesn't do a great job of what he can. He is very lucky Mooney is still here in whatever capacity because hes such a lightning rod topic on this board. If he wasnt perhaps people would see the forest for the trees.

With all that being said, I sure hope you are right, but am entitled to my doubts.
You have every reason for your opinions and doubts. I just can’t get it out of my head that he was a winner at Chattanooga, and things have tumultuous after his arrival.
Obviously, I hope you’re mistaken, but as of now, your reasoning could be considered on point.
 
Annap - I’ve been on your same sheet of music for awhile. RH had a lot of respect from players whem he was here before and he won at Chatty when no one else had. However, I also have felt he hasn’t been the guy to bring the energy we need to overcome the AD. I hope I’m wrong but right now this feels like we’re in a bad relationship where there just isn’t chemistry. We’ve looked better on paper than in person.

I know we consider ourselves a “name program” but it just feels dated. RH I think is 10 years too late for us. So much has changed and we need to get ahead of the curve rather than chasing it.

Personally, I’d want to see us be aggressive with someone like David Corley. Hire him now before someone else gets wise. I get it, he may bomb out, but I’d rather us bet on the future than the past. Give him dollars to have good assistants.
 
Another idea would be someone like Brandon Streeter. Give him the reigns and let him bring some of swagger from Clemson here.

Although personally I think if we could hire Corley now he’d be great. Would help that I think he’d have a chip that W&M didn’t promote him to HC when they could have. He knows the CAA.
 
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That's not a bad take we probably beat them in city stadium (RIP), especially if Glennon is the QB. With him at QB, was never suprised when VT lost. But to be fair the offensive coaching left a lot to be desired much like what we are seeing here.
It’s amazing that Tech won the ACC 2 years in a row with Glennon playing a lot at QB. To be fair though the ACC was not as good back then with Clemson not being what they are now.
 
Another idea would be someone like Brandon Streeter. Give him the reigns and let him bring some of swagger from Clemson here.

Although personally I think if we could hire Corley now he’d be great. Would help that I think he’d have a chip that W&M didn’t promote him to HC when they could have. He knows the CAA.
Streeter would be a great hire if we could make it happen. Overall I think the Danny Rocco situation killed the program as I predicted. I liked the Huesman hire at first and thought he was the best choice we could make to fix the Rocco fiasco. I agree that it is weird that Huesman did so well at Chattanooga but can’t seem to get it going at UR. Another name I’d like to see thrown into the ring for the job would be Loren Johnson from Highland Springs. He’s a former all conference safety at Tech and has won 4 state championships at Highland Springs. He’s got a ton of connections in the state of Virginia and would be an amazing recruiter. People have talked about bringing him on at Tech as part of the staff but the rumor goes that he doesn’t like Justin Fuente, which makes sense because none of his players ever decide to go to Tech. I’m sure he would be looking for a college job at some point and we would benefit from at least bringing him on staff. I have always said that we would see a ton of success if we tried to put up a wall around the Richmond area with recruiting and get all the guys who are awesome players but maybe don’t get the looks from some of the power 5 schools. Loren Johnson would be a guy who would make that happen.
 
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Brandon Streeter, Assistant Coach/Passing Game Coordinator/Quarterbacks #2/#3 ranked team in all of FBS/BCS.
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Forget Brandon at UR.He’s on a completely different elevated trajectory.

Russ’ success at UTC is directly correlated with son Jacob at QB.
 
I would even venture to say that I think UR’s teams from 2007-2009 would have had a very good chance of beating Tech during that time period as well. Those teams at Tech were great defensively but couldn’t score to save their lives. You have to believe that UR’s defense would have fared very well against them, especially the 2008 team with Sidbury up front and all the talent in the back end. It’s amazing that Tech had an NFL QB in Tyrod Taylor at that time but still were absolutely horrible offensively. It just shows how poorly Tyrod was used and how inept the coaching staff was offensively.
Our National Championship team couldn't even score a point against UVA. Our 2007 team, which may have been the best of the bunch (just couldn't stop Armanti in the Final Four), got smoked by Vanderbilt. Our 2009 team did beat Duke.

Those three teams would certainly have given Tech a good game. Hard to speculate our odds of winning.
 
Our National Championship team couldn't even score a point against UVA. Our 2007 team, which may have been the best of the bunch (just couldn't stop Armanti in the Final Four), got smoked by Vanderbilt. Our 2009 team did beat Duke.

Those three teams would certainly have given Tech a good game. Hard to speculate our odds of winning.
The 2008 team at the end of the season when they got hot in the playoffs I think could have beaten a good amount of ACC teams that year. Tell me that same team wouldn’t have beaten uva the way they were playing at the end of the year. They would’ve have pushed Tech, probably wouldn’t have won but would’ve been within striking distance. Same with the 2007 team the way they were playing at the end of the year.
 
Another idea would be someone like Brandon Streeter. Give him the reigns and let him bring some of swagger from Clemson here.

Although personally I think if we could hire Corley now he’d be great. Would help that I think he’d have a chip that W&M didn’t promote him to HC when they could have. He knows the CAA.

You know I didn’t think about streeter that would be a interesting hire. He just needs to walk in to recruits homes with a wallet sized photo of him and Lawrence and show it to every recruit he visits. I don’t think he has an affinity for returning here anytime soon however. Prob can’t pay him what Clemson has and probably next in line for OC
 
Brandon Streeter, Assistant Coach/Passing Game Coordinator/Quarterbacks #2/#3 ranked team in all of FBS/BCS.
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  • Total compensation increase: $500,000 to $590,000
Forget Brandon at UR.He’s on a completely different elevated trajectory.

Russ’ success at UTC is directly correlated with son Jacob at QB.
Was just going to say these same two things. Streeter would have to take a pay cut to come back here and leave his alma mater to do so. Highly unlikely.

And the longer things go this way with Huesman, it sure seems like his son was the reason for this success there.

The Loren Johnson idea isn't a crazy one. The dude is a legit leader.
 
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